Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why are they not fair? Homosexuals are not different to heterosexuals.
If one can have exclusively homosexual club, then there should be a strictly heterosexual club.Even if there was demand for heterosexual clubs only, noone dare say it, as that would imply they are homophobes, and the big question is posted as to ''why would someone want strictly heterosexual club - they MUST be homophobic, otherwise they wouldn't mind homosexuals''.
Homophobes would not go into a homosexual clubs anyway, so what's the problem?
C'mon, Lil, don't even try to pretend that the general social situation for homosexuals is the same as it is for heteros. Following that kind of logic is not intelligent.
As I say, if you do try and follow that logic, and force admittence of heteroseuxals in this circumstance, the practical output is simply this- you end up with plenty of places for heterosexuals to go out clubbing unmolested, but none for homosexuals.
It is extreme discrimination.
The fact is, the problem is one way. It is gays being bothered in general, NOT straights. Trying to treat the situation with abosulute equal legislative equality is to forgget that things are not being applied equally here, and is an opinion in ignorance iof the way minorities work in culture.
If you genuinely support the cause for equality, then this is the way to go. Anything else denies homosexuals opportunities they are entitled to. That is wrong.
Incidentally, your final line simply indicates you haven't actually looked at the situation. One of the problems is that such people ARE going in- specifically to harrass and make fun of the homosexuals.
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The situation is very simply this. Do homosexuals deserve a place where they can go socialise, meet and flirt with other homosexuals, unmolested and without being made to feel liek a zoo for others to watch for their amusement?
The obvious answer is yes- if it is no, you are so clearly biased against homosexuals that there is no need to take further part in the discussion.
The case being yes, then if this is the kind of decision needed to make sure it is possible, then this decision is in the cause of equality, and to oppose it is to be prejudiced against gays via the medium of ignorance of the realities of the problem.
Now, do heterosexuals deserve such a right to such association as well? Yes. But they have it. There is absolutely no problem there. So trying to turn the situation around is a. a complete waste of time and b. assuming that everyone treats everyone else equally, which is idiotic. it would not work. it would end in simple discrimination.
As I say above, equality is a complex issue. This is one of the bumps. But they do deserve that opportunity to asscioate in ntheir culture, and if the owner of a private club decides that the only way to get that opportunity is to expel all those from outside the club;s specific culture if need be (NOT automatically), then that is entirely fair.
The reverse is not entirely fair because that simply does not happen, that there is an issue homosexual voyerus and troublemakers making portions of heterosexual social areas into uncomfortable ones- impossible because as the monority they don't hgave the motivation or the numbers to so gawp and disrupt. It would be a false justification.
To use a crude analogy, why introduce laws against hunting whales and not, say, salmon? Answer- because it's the damn whales that need the protection, not the other fish. It's not biased in favour fo whales because they had the huge bias against them in the first place. It's trying to remedy the bias.
We'd all like to live in a hippy happy land where everyone is nice to each other and treats everyone equally and, for example, where large groups of heteros go to crash homosexual night clubs not to take part in the atmosphere but simply to laugh at and get entertainment out of the gays.
If we lived in such a brilliant and equal world, then we could have such equal laws as well.
But we don't. Instead, we have a rather nasty situation where huge problems arise. And the only solution to such a problem is sspecific laws like this.
But you do not ever create more laws than you need- that's a basic principle. We need this law allowing that place to throw out straights from gay clubs, we don't need one about throwing out gays from (non-existent) straight clubs. It would serve no purpose other than to be abused.