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Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
If memory serves he destroyed that city because the people performed raunchy acts. Bestiality, Incest, and others that any person nowadays would find grotesque. These people were dirty pigs that drowned in their own sexual desire, but are homosexuals dirty...are they performing the same acts as those filthy immoral slanderers? Many gay people are in high powers of office, but they are shunned and stoned (metaphorically speaking) for being themselves and coming out. What if you had a son and he told you he was gay, he always had been and he always intended to be? Would you no longer lend him loving arms? Would you disown him? If so, then who's the real sinner?

Bestiality is not mentioned in the context neither is incest, but homosexuality is based on simple inference.

Homosexuality is just as abominable as bestiality and incest.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I've single-handedly disproved that, and I even made a thread on it.

Welcome to fail.

You have not proved anything.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not necessarily.

And not entirely. There were many reasons as are listed in Ezekiel.

I don't mean to imply that homosexuality was the only sin that God despised. That is why I mentioned the word sins plural and I said that homosexuality was prominent. I know that homosexuality was not the only sin that was committed in that land. I simply adhere to the context as close as possible and I deduce that homosexuality was chief among the many sins that took place by virtue of the fact that it is the only one capable of being inferred from the context (no others sins are capable of being inferred).

Do you follow me Nellinator?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Bestiality is not mentioned in the context neither is incest, but homosexuality is based on simple inference.

Homosexuality as just as abominable as bestiality and incest.

You have a truly twisted outlook on the world... I hate to say it, but if there were more people like you in the world we'd have nothing more than bigottry and intolerance. A wise teacher once told me that if you go through life with only book knowledge you'll only learn half information and only have half the fun. (Okay admittedly I added the "half the fun part"😉 Try taking that into consideration. Oh and as a side note... would you rather F*** your sister or a man? I know my answer... what's yours?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
You have a truly twisted outlook on the world... I hate to say it, but if there were more people like you in the world we'd have nothing more than bigottry and intolerance. A wise teacher once told me that if you go through life with only book knowledge you'll only learn half information and only have half the fun. (Okay admittedly I added the "half the fun part"😉 Try taking that into consideration. Oh and as a side note... would you rather F*** your sister or a man? I know my answer... what's yours?

The Truth is the Truth: homosexuality is sending many to Hell every second because it is an abomination according to God.

But the Bible is not an ordinary, mundane, literary work. The Bible is the the living Word of God Almighty.

The early roman catholic society practiced homosexuality in a form where it was okay. How is that different then today's standards?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Truth is the Truth: homosexuality is sending many to Hell every second because it is an abomination according to God.

But the Bible is not an ordinary, mundane, literary work. The Bible is the the living Word of God Almighty.

You're avoiding each of my questions!

Originally posted by Scythe
The early roman catholic society practiced homosexuality in a form where it was okay. How is that different then today's standards?

The early Roman Catholic society did not follow Jesus.

Homosexuality is never okay because it is an abomination according to living Word of God.

It is not different from today's standards because people are just as a sinful today and ungodly as they werer back then.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The early Roman Catholic society did not follow Jesus.

Homosexuality is never okay because it is an abomination according to living Word of God.

It is not different from today's standards because people are just as a sinful today and ungodly as they werer back then.

What am I, sliced ham? ANSWER ME!

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
You're avoiding each of my questions!

I have answered your questions.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have not proved anything.

And you can't even say it was "prominent," as there was one incident of it, and the cities were already doomed.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have answered your questions.

No...no, you haven't. I asked you about different case scenarios, all of which you threw aside in apparent nonchalance.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't mean to imply that homosexuality was the only sin that God despised. That is why I mentioned the word [B]sins plural and I said that homosexuality was prominent. I know that homosexuality was not the only sin that was committed in that land. I simply adhere to the context as close as possible and I deduce that homosexuality was chief among the many sins that took place by virtue of the fact that it is the only one capable of being inferred from the context (no others sins are capable of being inferred).

Do you follow me Nellinator? [/B]

It was not the chief sin in Sodom and Gomorrah. Lustful sins were obviously very prominent in the cities, but homosexuality would have been listed specifically in Ezekiel if it was the prime sin. It simply is not mentioned there.

Ezekiel 16: 49-50
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

Sodomy is not mentioned once here. Sins of pride are mentioned twice in this list. Adultery in the general form of promiscuity is more frequently referenced than sodomy itself as well. Homosexuality was amongst the sins, not the primary cause of their destruction. The fact was that there were none righteous (save Lot, not that he was a real treat). They were all guilty of many sins and too prideful to repent or acknowledge their sin. They were "ungodly" in general according to 2 Peter 2:6. Sodomy is not their primary sin.

Originally posted by FeceMan
The only "homosexuality" demonstrated by Sodom and Gomorrah was, you know, rape. Not homosexuality. Since, you know, rape is about power, and homosexuality is about...not rape.

And you can't even say it was "prominent," as there was one incident of it, and the cities were already doomed.

Do you know what the word sodomy means Feceman? Sodomy is defined as anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal (according to Merriam-Websters Online Dictionary). Actually, I don't believe that Merriam-Websters is accurate. Copulation with an animal is defined as bestiality.

The word sodomy is derived from the city that God destroyed in Genesis 18. The debased, sinful men of Sodom and Gomorrah were so sinful that they refused to have sex with women, they wanted to have sex with men (although that is not possible because it is not sex it is sodomy). Sexual intercourse and sodomy are two different things.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
No...no, you haven't. I asked you about different case scenarios, all of which you threw aside in apparent nonchalance.

Your scenarios are filthy and pointless because they are abominable. You can dignify them if you want to but I will refrain.

🙁

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you know what the word sodomy means Feceman? Sodomy is defined as [B]anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal (according to Merriam-Websters Online Dictionary). Actually, I don't believe that Merriam-Websters is accurate. Copulation with an animal is defined as bestiality.

The word sodomy is derived from the city that God destroyed in Genesis 18. The debased, sinful men of Sodom and Gomorrah were so sinful that they refused to have sex with women, they wanted to have sex with men (although that is not possible because it is not sex it is sodomy). Sexual intercourse and sodomy are two different things. [/B]

But thanks for playing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Your scenarios are filthy and pointless because they are abominable. You can dignify them if you want to but I will refrain.

🙁

I strongly disagree. They're honest and to the point. Not answering them shows me that you would have obviously either lied or found some way to circumvent your way around them. Am I right? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you... I'm simply attempting to better understand your point of view, get in your head, if you will. Analysis is always the best way to start...

Besides... I hardly think asking what you'd do if you had a gay son is counted as a "foul debating manuever"

Originally posted by Nellinator
By "not necessarily" I meant that being homosexual does not necessarily condemn someone. It is a dangerous thing to have to have, but if it is overcome it does not condemn them. In fact "he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Hebrews 11:6). Overcoming something as difficult and taxing as homosexuality receives great reward because it takes great faith and great diligence. 2 John 1:8 reminds us to "look [at ourselves] that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward." Homosexuals face a great struggle if they want to overcome it and must be amazingly diligent to receive their reward after salvation because it is very easy to lapse into something that is so strong. I always remember that Jesus said "and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Eunuchs in this case are not necessarily castrated males, but celibate males.

It was not the chief sin in Sodom and Gomorrah. Lustful sins were obviously very prominent in the cities, but homosexuality would have been listed specifically in Ezekiel if it was the prime sin. It simply is not mentioned there.

Ezekiel 16: 49-50
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

Sodomy is not mentioned once here. Sins of pride are mentioned twice in this list. Adultery in the general form of promiscuity is more frequently referenced than sodomy itself as well. Homosexuality was amongst the sins, not the primary cause of their destruction. The fact was that there were none righteous (save Lot, not that he was a real treat). They were all guilty of many sins and too prideful to repent or acknowledge their sin. They were "ungodly" in general according to 2 Peter 2:6. Sodomy is not their primary sin.

Castrated males and homosexuals are very distinct: one does not have sex with the same gender and the other does (but actually it is sodomy not sex).

Brother, you omitted verse 7 of 2 Peter (i.e. 2 Peter 2:7) it sheds light on 2 Peter 6 and provides proper context and helps to clarify what the sin of the Sodomites actually was.

2 Peter 2:7
and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked.

Would you agree with me that sodomy or homosexuality is filthy Nellinator? I believe that this was the chief sin based on the context of Genesis 18 and 2 Peter 2:7. There were other lawless deeds (based on 2 Peter 2:8) but I believe that the context suggests that homosexuality was chief among those lawless deeds that were committed by the Sodomites; hence, the term sodomy.

Furthermore, brother Ezekiel does not at all contradict what I have maintained at the outset: homosexuality is an abomination.

Ezekiel 16: 49-50
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Genesis 18:20-21
And the LORD said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,

I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

Genesis 19:5
And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”

Genesis 19:7-8
and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly!

See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”

Genesis 19:13
For we will destroy this place, because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it.

Genesis 19:15
When the morning dawned, the angels urged Lot to hurry, saying, “Arise, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be consumed in the punishment of the city.”