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Leviticus 18:22 does not concern homosexuality

Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: It is abomination. -- Leviticus 18:22

Careless readers of the Bible view this verse from the King James version as a condemnation of the gay lifestyle . Even modern translations render Lv 18:22 in a homophobic manner which is not justified by closed inspection of the text.

Together, let's discover that

1) 'abominations' are not so bad

2) Lv chapter 18 deals with idoltry and

3) 'mankind' does not refer to men.

Romans condemns homosexualty.

Originally posted by Alliance
Romans condemns homosexualty.

In theory...

More blatnatly than Leviticus.

Besides, i find it is a much more apporpriate tactic to address how one interprets the Bible rather than trying to influence what it "says"

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Leviticus 18:22 does not concern homosexuality

Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: It is abomination. -- Leviticus 18:22

Careless readers of the Bible view this verse from the King James version as a condemnation of the gay lifestyle . Even modern translations render Lv 18:22 in a homophobic manner which is not justified by closed inspection of the text.

Together, let's discover that

1) 'abominations' are not so bad

2) Lv chapter 18 deals with idoltry and

3) 'mankind' does not refer to men.

Leviticus 18:1-30
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. 3 According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the LORD your God. 5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the LORD.
6 ‘None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the LORD. 7 The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 The nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father, or the daughter of your mother, whether born at home or elsewhere, their nakedness you shall not uncover. 10 The nakedness of your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for theirs is your own nakedness. 11 The nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, begotten by your father—she is your sister—you shall not uncover her nakedness. 12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is near of kin to your father. 13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is near of kin to your mother. 14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother. You shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. 15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law—she is your son’s wife—you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. 17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, nor shall you take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness. They are near of kin to her. It is wickedness. 18 Nor shall you take a woman as a rival to her sister, to uncover her nakedness while the other is alive.
19 ‘Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness as long as she is in her customary impurity. 20 Moreover you shall not lie carnally with your neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her. 21 And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the LORD. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.
24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the LORD your God.’”

How in the world did you come to the erroneous conclusion that Leviticus 18 is talking about idolatry? The entire chapter addresses God's laws with regard to sexual conduct and/or sexual immorality. The word idolatry, the concept of idolatry, or notion of idolatry is no where near Leviticus 18. The word idolatry is conspicuous in it's absence.

Do you know what an abomination is Ashestoashesjc?

Main Entry: abom·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˌbä-mə-ˈnâ-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : something abominable
2 : extreme disgust and hatred : loathing

So abominations are bad, they arouse extreme disgust and hatred (i.e. loathing). This is how God views homosexuality, with extreme disgust, hatred, and loathing because it go against His decreed will and purposes.

In the above context Ashestoashesjc mankind obviously refers to men and womankind obviously refers to women.

Ashestoashesjc, your close inspection was a fiasco because you still failed to rightly divide the Word of Truth. The irony of it all is that you criticized others for being careless readers of the Bible when in reality you were the one who was careless.

Do follow me Ashestoashesjc?

Get back on the saddle and make an effort to do a better job next time (alright pal?)

😕

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God understands extenuating, umique circumstances. However, the point here is that God can help that person no matter what their circumstances.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Leviticus 18:1-30
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. 3 According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the LORD your God. 5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the LORD.
6 ‘None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the LORD. 7 The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 The nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father, or the daughter of your mother, whether born at home or elsewhere, their nakedness you shall not uncover. 10 The nakedness of your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for theirs is your own nakedness. 11 The nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, begotten by your father—she is your sister—you shall not uncover her nakedness. 12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is near of kin to your father. 13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is near of kin to your mother. 14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother. You shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. 15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law—she is your son’s wife—you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. 17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, nor shall you take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness. They are near of kin to her. It is wickedness. 18 Nor shall you take a woman as a rival to her sister, to uncover her nakedness while the other is alive.
19 ‘Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness as long as she is in her customary impurity. 20 Moreover you shall not lie carnally with your neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her. 21 And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the LORD. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.
24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the LORD your God.’”

How in the world did you come to the erroneous conclusion that Leviticus 18 is talking about idolatry? The entire chapter addresses God's laws with regard to sexual conduct and/or sexual immorality. The word idolatry, the concept of idolatry, or notion of idolatry is no where near Leviticus 18. The word idolatry is conspicuous in it's absence.

Do you know what an abomination is Ashestoashesjc?

Main Entry: abom·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˌbä-mə-ˈnâ-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : something abominable
2 : extreme disgust and hatred : loathing

So abominations are bad, they arouse extreme disgust and hatred (i.e. loathing). This is how God views homosexuality, with extreme disgust, hatred, and loathing because it go against His decreed will and purposes.

In the above context Ashestoashesjc mankind obviously refers to men and womankind obviously refers to women.

Ashestoashesjc, your close inspection was a fiasco because you still failed to rightly divide the Word of Truth. The irony of it all is that you criticized others for being careless readers of the Bible when in reality you were the one who was careless.

Do follow me Ashestoashesjc?

Get back on the saddle and make an effort to do a better job next time (alright pal?)

😕 [/B]

Not that I don't agree with that (I felt a little weird posting that myself). I tried an explantion from another site... http://www.otkenyer.hu/halsall/lgbh-lev18.html

Originally posted by ThePittman
Man can you not answer the question seriously and not gloss over it with your normal BS. You keep coming up with this "God will help" crap, but God was the one that made them this way so please answer the question. OH and just for your reference nearly 5% of the population falls into this "unique circumstance".

Only 5%? Kidding! It is true, though. I can't seem to get any straight answers for simple "yes or no" questions without you subtle avoiding the topic with scriptures and whatnot...

I wonder if Jamie Lee Curtis is going to heaven? think

Originally posted by ThePittman
I wonder if Jamie Lee Curtis is going to heaven? think

Only if she stops making crap movies...

Funny... I asked myself that very question when on the topic of Lindsay Lohan...

Originally posted by ThePittman
Man can you not answer the question seriously and not gloss over it with your normal BS. You keep coming up with this "God will help" crap, but God was the one that made them this way so please answer the question. OH and just for your reference nearly 5% of the population falls into this "unique circumstance".

God didn't make anyone a homosexual, that person chose to become a homosexual.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God didn't make anyone a homosexual, that person chose to become a homosexual.

Then god does not make anyone a Heterosexual, that person chooses to become a Heterosexual. See how silly your statement above sounds when put into perspective.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Only 5%? Kidding! It is true, though. I can't seem to get any straight answers for simple "yes or no" questions without you subtle avoiding the topic with scriptures and whatnot...

I have answered all of your questions (except for the flaming, vulgar, obscene ones) directly.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have answered all of your questions (except for the flaming, vulgar, obscene ones) directly.

Then you have not answered any of his questions. 😆

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God didn't make anyone a homosexual, that person chose to become a homosexual.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then god does not make anyone a Heterosexual, that person chooses to become a Heterosexual. See how silly your statement above sounds when put into perspective.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then god does not make anyone a Heterosexual, that person chooses to become a Heterosexual. See how silly your statement above sounds when put into perspective.

By default we are each born heterosexual (this is the norm). God does not have to make anyone heterosexual as such because He has alreay built that natural principle or bent into the human race.

Therefore (and as I already stated in the previous post), a person must go against this natural bent or principle. Thus, a person must choose to be a homosexual.

Why are you guy's arguing JIS, he's see's the Bible as the only truth it's pointless.

If you want to debate and exchange thoughts on the subject of homosexuality, please do so in the appropriate thread.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
When storm says jump, I ask how high. 😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
By default we are each born heterosexual (this is the norm). [B]God does not have to make anyone heterosexual as such because He has alreay built that natural principle or bent into the human race.

Therefore (and as I already stated in the previous post), a person must go against this natural bent or principle. Thus, a person must choose to be a homosexual. [/B]

I would not take your word on this. I think you are too filled with hate to see the evil in your point of view.

fin.