Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin richards
hyperstorm
mad jim jaspers
proteus
legion
alpha
jean grey
nate grey
cable
stryfe
jammie bradock
scarlett witch
kid omega
elixir
new son gambit
apocalypse
invisible woman
magneto
thanos{mutant eternal}
blackbolt{mutant inhuman}
genis vell{mutant, although not complete. rick jones is too}
rick jones/destiny force
maelstrom{mtant deviant/inhuman}
exodus
xavier
magician
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Funny guy. Let's see him manage to beat the X-Men first...
As for considering him a JLA threat, meh. I suppose that would be exaggerating quite a bit, or it may not be too far from the truth, seeing as how underestimated Apocalypse usually is here in comparison to other mutants...
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeVery few mutants stand any real chance against single members of the Justice League, fewer still any chance at all against various incarnations of the JLA. Apocalypse is not among them.
Um, he did, just before that first encounter he had with Stryfe, if I'm remembering correctly. Even in a weakened state (due to lack of time in the Lazarus Chamber), the X-Men were still no match for him...As for considering him a JLA threat, meh. I suppose that would be exaggerating quite a bit, or it may not be too far from the truth, seeing as how underestimated Apocalypse usually is here in comparison to other mutants...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin richards
hyperstorm
mad jim jaspers
proteus
legion
alpha
jean grey
nate grey
cable
stryfe
jammie bradock
scarlett witch
kid omega
elixir
new son gambit
apocalypse
invisible woman
magneto
thanos{mutant eternal}
blackbolt{mutant inhuman}
genis vell{mutant, although not complete. rick jones is too}
rick jones/destiny force
maelstrom{mtant deviant/inhuman}
exodus
xavier
magician
Originally posted by Hitman911
I was just wondering if it was possible for Superman to be killed be a mutant?!?!?!? This is strait up power for power. No Pheonix Force or IG's.
I'm looking for one but the max is 3. NO OMEGA LEVEL MUTANTS!!! Let's get creative. MUTIE LOVERZZZ!!!!!!!!!! 😈 😠 😘 😆 😂 🤣 💃
Originally posted by jasofisc???
concerning what you said about what supes does to mags, that all get's block by the sheild he's taken worse not saying that mags stomps supes but supes won't win that way
Originally posted by Blair WindCo-Signed
Mags has to think about that action. Superman>>>faster than thoughtIceman has a great chance actually. Its been debated to death by the intellectuals, and is one of the best threads this forum has produced
Originally posted by carver9
Im going to explain*ROGUE : superman would rape her but thats all it takes is one good touch and the fight is done. Like I said if a slower rogue (parasite) can get the drop on superman then rogue should grab him with no problem.
*Jean grey (phoenix force): I dont even have to explain on this fight, she destroys him.
*STORM : Lightning is the main key in this fight because electricity hurts superman extremely bad. I have seen him yell in pain to many times because of it and the rest of storm powers would just play as a nuicance while she lay into him with lightning bolts.
*Magneto for sure with a majority (magneto wins this via forcefield and hitting superman with enough force and explosion that he ends of losing his bio forcefield ending with him passing out. Like i said before, a guy on the fatal five blew the groud up from under superman ending with him bleeding from the mouth. Magneto has a lot that he could do to him to make him pass the f*** out.)
*Proteus (this fight is a rape. Proteus would kill superman. Proteus would kill the entire jla. The guy has NO weakness and he can turn or do whatever he wants to superman).
*Cannonball: (To me this is the fight of the century if he uses his powers right. He absorbs kinetic energy, that means he absorb anything that superman throws at him and turn it back at him. Superman would end up hitting him with a powerful blow ending with cannonball laughing it off throwing it back at superman with the same force knocking him out. There is nothing that superman could do to him.)
*Cable; (Cable already has a forcefield that is always up that can take nuke blast and that also withstood punches from a angry hulk, I doubt superman could do any better. God like cable could either bfr superman, take his powers away, or mind rape him. Cable displayed the powers to do almost anything. It was stated that he had no limit (except to cosmic blast which superman dont have.)
*Nate grey (another rape, superman stands no chance in this fight. The same results would happen as would against cable except worse in this scenerio.)
*Scarlet witch (anything she thinks of comes to reality. Do the math.
*Exodus (this guy fought the avengers and stalemated sersi. Has a impenetrable force field and blast that was stated that could level half of the earth. Superman loses this one.
*Apocalypse (non jobbing apocalypse can beat superman everytime. non jobbing apocalypse can be a jla threat. Nuff said.)
*Professor x (mind rape
*Iceman (freeze superman entire insides or just go inside of him ripping his insides out. To muuuuuuuuch versatility and power)
*Vulcan (good fight, I see superman getting the majority but I think that he could get some wins.)
*Full powered Mimic (Mimic recently is just as powerful as superman. By bio mimic is faster, Im going by Dc and marvel encyclopedia. It simply state in both that superman top speed on earth is 2000 mps and marvel ency says that he can go 93000 mps. Mimic has been moved up to colossus level of strength, over the 100 ton league and is nigh invulnerable and has eye blast of his own with an insane healing factor. He could pull off some wins.)
*magician (the same as proteus. This guy physical body wasnt even present when he was fighting the xmen and he could just create the entire jla along with another superman to beat the hell out of superman)
*Gorgon (I dont think that gorgon could out fight superman but i do think that his eyes would work)
*Emma Frost (Emma frost is nigh invulnerable, If superman dont take her out on the 1st punch he gets mind raped to death.)
*Rachel summers (Same results as phoenix, supes dies)
*Wolverine from age of apocalypse (not logan. This guy was a villian) (To many people dont know about this guy but he was basically unstoppable. There was nothing physical that could stop him. If superman was to just stand there and fight him superman would lose. Hes another Doomsday. But if superman fight him and try to bfr him then he could win.)
*New Sun (New sun speaks for himself)
Rogue : You're wrong. Rogue wouldn't even see Supes breaking her. Even if she touches him Supes would still have enough power to break her neck. Kal's reflexes and speed is way over Rogue's she won't be touching him though.
Storm : Electricity doesn't hurt Supes it can only channel his power if he is touching someone. As long as it's not magical lightning.
Magneto : Dies within seconds. Superman is fast enough to go right through him. Magneto needs to think of an action and as was said before superman react faster than Erik's thoughts.
Proteus : You really should read. Proteus got a weakness it's metal.
Cannonball : Oh really??? Since when? Supes is faster and more durable than him it would be easy to use that speed against him with a well timed blow from the side.
Nate and Cable : As I'm a big fan of both. They could pull it of of course because Superman is still vulnerable to TP but also can they feel Superman coming?? Can they see his thought before they can react??
Prof X : If he can use his powers in time.
Apoc : Might pull of something but not a major win.
Others might, but Mimic is nowhere near as powerful as Supes.
Wolverine : Is this a joke?
Apocalypse a threat to JLA? dur
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Apocalypse just seems too powerful to fail like he does. Thousands of years of experience and a celestial tech enhanced body? What the crap is wrong with you, Apocalypse?
Apocalypse had to suffer through the horrifying '90's. That's why.
Writers just haven't been creative with Apocalypse. He should be a major player in the Marvel universe, but unfortunately he's been reduced to only fighting the X-Men. Apocalypse, so far, has done better outside X-Men, and has had his good showings such as when he went toe-to-toe with Loki, the High Evolutionary & Prime Eternal Ikaris without raising a sweat.
Just read any Louise Simonson X-Factor (1986) story. Apocalypse is far more menacing because it appears any short term goal - even losing to X-Factor - fits into his plans. Like Mister Sinister, short term setbacks mean nothing to Apocalypse because he largely works from the shadows through his pawns in the Alliance of Evil & the Horsemen.
A good writer could show how effective a villain Apocalypse is through his surrogates and shows he plans for his defeats on purpose for a greater scheme the X-Men could never conceive. That's how Apocalypse was written in 1986's X-Factor.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's not like Ikaris did anything with the "Prime Eternal" status in that fight (or ever as far as I know) comparable at all to Zuras...
I keep hearing that...
But what can Ikaris exactly do? From what I've come across with him, he doesn't seem to possesses any other powers that could have done much in that fight.
Which is why saying fighting "Ikaris" would suffice... frankly he could have done more than he did in that fight... he lost to being stabbed through the torso iirc.
Zuras as the Prime Eternal stalemated Zeus.
Sersi, lacking the attributes of the Prime Eternal, had her arm atomized, burned through the atmosphere, still managed to phase through the Pentagon, then crash landed. After explaining what had happened to Kro, she regenerated her arm.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Very few mutants stand any real chance against single members of the Justice League, fewer still any chance at all against various incarnations of the JLA. Apocalypse is not among them.
Apocalypse is one of those who can be said without a dodnt that is among them who has a real chance.