Can any MUTANT beat Superman????

Im going to explain

*ROGUE : superman would rape her but thats all it takes is one good touch and the fight is done. Like I said if a slower rogue (parasite) can get the drop on superman then rogue should grab him with no problem.
*Jean grey (phoenix force): I dont even have to explain on this fight, she destroys him.
*STORM : Lightning is the main key in this fight because electricity hurts superman extremely bad. I have seen him yell in pain to many times because of it and the rest of storm powers would just play as a nuicance while she lay into him with lightning bolts.
*Magneto for sure with a majority (magneto wins this via forcefield and hitting superman with enough force and explosion that he ends of losing his bio forcefield ending with him passing out. Like i said before, a guy on the fatal five blew the groud up from under superman ending with him bleeding from the mouth. Magneto has a lot that he could do to him to make him pass the f*** out.)
*Proteus (this fight is a rape. Proteus would kill superman. Proteus would kill the entire jla. The guy has NO weakness and he can turn or do whatever he wants to superman).
*Cannonball: (To me this is the fight of the century if he uses his powers right. He absorbs kinetic energy, that means he absorb anything that superman throws at him and turn it back at him. Superman would end up hitting him with a powerful blow ending with cannonball laughing it off throwing it back at superman with the same force knocking him out. There is nothing that superman could do to him.)
*Cable; (Cable already has a forcefield that is always up that can take nuke blast and that also withstood punches from a angry hulk, I doubt superman could do any better. God like cable could either bfr superman, take his powers away, or mind rape him. Cable displayed the powers to do almost anything. It was stated that he had no limit (except to cosmic blast which superman dont have.)
*Nate grey (another rape, superman stands no chance in this fight. The same results would happen as would against cable except worse in this scenerio.)
*Scarlet witch (anything she thinks of comes to reality. Do the math.
*Exodus (this guy fought the avengers and stalemated sersi. Has a impenetrable force field and blast that was stated that could level half of the earth. Superman loses this one.
*Apocalypse (non jobbing apocalypse can beat superman everytime. non jobbing apocalypse can be a jla threat. Nuff said.)
*Professor x (mind rape
*Iceman (freeze superman entire insides or just go inside of him ripping his insides out. To muuuuuuuuch versatility and power)
*Vulcan (good fight, I see superman getting the majority but I think that he could get some wins.)
*Full powered Mimic (Mimic recently is just as powerful as superman. By bio mimic is faster, Im going by Dc and marvel encyclopedia. It simply state in both that superman top speed on earth is 2000 mps and marvel ency says that he can go 93000 mps. Mimic has been moved up to colossus level of strength, over the 100 ton league and is nigh invulnerable and has eye blast of his own with an insane healing factor. He could pull off some wins.)
*magician (the same as proteus. This guy physical body wasnt even present when he was fighting the xmen and he could just create the entire jla along with another superman to beat the hell out of superman)
*Gorgon (I dont think that gorgon could out fight superman but i do think that his eyes would work)
*Emma Frost (Emma frost is nigh invulnerable, If superman dont take her out on the 1st punch he gets mind raped to death.)
*Rachel summers (Same results as phoenix, supes dies)
*Wolverine from age of apocalypse (not logan. This guy was a villian) (To many people dont know about this guy but he was basically unstoppable. There was nothing physical that could stop him. If superman was to just stand there and fight him superman would lose. Hes another Doomsday. But if superman fight him and try to bfr him then he could win.)
*New Sun (New sun speaks for himself)

Im glad im on the superman speed subject. If anyone has read the book "superman for tomorrow" these are supermans exact words while trying to save some soldiers from getting killed "six hundred seventy two miles per hour. Thats the speed of a bullet fired from an m-60. Its been said that Im Faster than a speeding bullet. And I am. But sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet is not fast enough." Those was his words and he was going as fast as he can to save them but they ended up dying. He couldnt beat the bullets to the soldiers. Now if superman goes anywhere near the speed of light he could have circled around the world twice and still made it there in time to stop the bullets.

In other words you have no idea who Superman is?

Also 😂 "non-jobbing Apocalypse would be a JLA threat." Funny guy. Let's see him manage to beat the X-Men first...

I read he doesn't go lightspeed on earth because it could mess up the eneviroment and possible hurt people.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In other words you have no idea who Superman is?

Also 😂 "non-jobbing Apocalypse would be a JLA threat." Funny guy. Let's see him manage to beat the X-Men first...

Im telling you what bios said not what i have seen but I would like for you to show me a scan of superman even going half the speed of light and dont say that he cant do it because it will hurt the environment because black adam when racing the flash was going 95% the speed of light and I didnt see any damage caused.

I have asked this so many times. Can someone show me some kind of scan of superman going over 2000 mps on earth. I have yet to see it. The writers might be right.

Also a non jobbing apocalypse has never been defeated physically by the xmen. He has been out smarted but not physically beaten.

Originally posted by TheKahn
This may not be his top speed but it's pretty impressive:

I've just got around to doing the calculations on this. Now let usa assume that the distance from New York City to Paris, France is roughly equal to the distance of Metropolis and the particular area of France that Superman got the Champagne (as for wine to be called Champagne it has to be grown in a piratical region of France and Lois mentions that it isn't imported into the US leaving some European country the logical option)

Now the distance between New York and Paris is roughly 3,632 miles. Superman did twice that distance (there and back) in what would seem to be a moment. But lets say it took him 5 seconds just for the sake of argument. So that is 7264 miles in 5 seconds or a total speed of 5,230,080 miles per hour.

Cable, Prof. X, Magneto, Iceman, just to name a few.

Originally posted by Rorschach
More of Superman traveling FTL

Superman flew from near Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes (X commentary, actually seconds probably)

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

Originally posted by Soljer
It takes light approximately eight minutes to get from the Sun to the Earth.

Eight minutes.

Superman flew darkseid from the Earth to the sun in a couple panels.
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanvsdarkseid6lg1.jpg

It takes light something like a friggin hour to make it to the moons of saturn.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5772411

Flies at lightspeed in a black hole:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7672836
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7672837

Flies across galaxies:
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2204p016bq2.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2204p01718ap6.jpg

"Superman can race a speeding photon to it's target"
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesracingPhoton.jpg

In Superman #153, a trip from Saturn to the sun (27 light minutes) and back again (for a total of 54 light minutes) was completed in seconds by the Man of Steel. This works out to about 3000 times the speed of light.

In War of the Gods #4: Superman out-raced an energy beam to its target.

In Man of Steel #134, Superman outraced an energy blast from the Aegis armor.

Punches the ***** at faster than light speeds:
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes8ju.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh noes! Superman can't fly at light speed.

I love that 1st scan that you showed me of superman flying to get that champaign. I have a question for you. 1st, how fast do you think that 2000 mps. Do you really know how fast that it. Answer this, how long do you think that it would take me to get from georgia to new york going 2000 mps, I think less than a minute, what about you.

Also, I NEVER said that superman cant go faster than light in space. Every scan that you have shown me had something to do with space. Answer this for me. When superman just got transformed from the blue superman and the jla got kidnapped by a alien race that raal was working under (he didnt have a choice because they kidnapped his wife) and raal created a plan to get his wife off of the alien ship that was trapped in space. Raal created a weapon that shot a beam that would destroy the main ship but his wife was on the ship. Raal needed someone to fly up there fast enough and beat the beam of light before it hit the ship and save his wife. Raal himself stated that the blast goes the speed of light and he asked superman would he save his wife before the beam hit the ship. Superman himself said yes he would do it but he dont go close to that speed anymore since the transformation from the blue superman. Raal said that he knew this and he asked the flash to lend superman his speed so that he could keep up with the blast and save his wife before the blast hit the ship.

Now superman himself admitted that he couldnt keep up with the blast that was stated to go the speed of light. He had to borrow the flash speed to accomplish that feat.

Aside from not actually being relevant to the scan at all... Georgia? As in the state? As in you don't know the definition of "imported"? Or perhaps just not even the definition of "not"?

As in the country? Notwithstanding, I probably overestimate you in thinking you even know there's a country of the name; it's even further than France or Italy.

How long does it take for someone to pause "you" and "soon" in the phrase, "see you soon." Corto Maltese is more Italian than French, but the distance traveled would be roughly 7000-8000 miles. In the time it took Lois to finish her sentence/open a door.

Unless you think Lois has Parkinson's and a stutter it's greater than 2000 miles/sec.

Scouring the globe for White Martians. Completely ignored. Like you now. I did a search for your username and idiot, and found 8 different posters call you that, I think I'll add myself to that list, and make it 9.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Aside from not actually being relevant to the scan at all... Georgia? As in the state? As in you don't know the definition of "imported"? Or perhaps just not even the definition of "not"?

As in the country? Notwithstanding, I probably overestimate you in thinking you even know there's a country of the name; it's even further than France or Italy.

How long does it take for someone to pause "you" and "soon" in the phrase, "see you soon." Corto Maltese is more Italian than French, but the distance traveled would be roughly 7000-8000 miles. In the time it took Lois to finish her sentence/open a door.

Unless you think Lois has Parkinson's and a stutter it's greater than 2000 miles/sec.

Scouring the globe for White Martians. Completely ignored. Like you now. I did a search for your username and idiot, and found 8 different posters call you that, I think I'll add myself to that list, and make it 9.

😆

I can be that. I didnt read the scan but yeah you do make sense but I dont think that its the speed of light. Let me show you what Im looking for. Look in these scans and it would tell you how fast gladiator went.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8890/gladiatornovaexplosion2kd.jpg

Lets put it like this. Magneto was on avalon (thats a whole different country) with his son quicksilver and magneto wanted quicksilver to leave a letter on professor door, who lives all the way in new york. When magneto gave quicksilver the letter he decided to pour himself some champaign but while pouring the champaign quicksilver ran off to the xmansion, went inside the xmansion, knocked on the door, dropped the letter at the door and made it back to avalon that is on the other side of the earth in genosha before magneto got through pouring his drink. We all know that quicksilver dont go nowhere near the speed of light.

Superman gets no respect and it's a shame!!

Originally posted by carver9
Also a non jobbing apocalypse has never been defeated physically by the xmen. He has been out smarted but not physically beaten.

Originally posted by Hitman911
Superman gets no respect and it's a shame!!

He gets respect but i just dont think that he can beat everyone. I think that he can beat.

*Hulk (hulk can get at least 1 or 2 though)
*Wonder woman
*Thor (even though I think that thor would get the majority)
*Black adam (I think that black adam would get the majority also)
*BRB (same catagory as thor)
*Wonderman
*Sentry (kind of a stalemate. Dont know sentry full capacity yet. If he is as powerful as marvel say that he is he could get a majority)
*Gladiator (now I see gladiator different than most people see him. I see gladiator as a true power house but written down because hes a villian and is made a punching bag. Kinda like darkseid. True gladiator that has the feat of destroying planets with his fist. Flying through stars. Moving planets under his own strength. Classified by nova as one of the strongest beings in the universe. Flying 100 times the speed of light. Standing in one spot while a diesel tries to run him over and when it hit dont even budge or feel it. Stalemating the silver surfer. Stalemating ego the planet. Walking through 8 feet of titanium like it was nothing but paper. Flying through a blast that was stated that could blow up a solar system unfazed. Was about to punch cannonball from the earth to the core of the sun. I consider him slightly precrisis superman if written to his potential and I think that he could get anyone on the above list a full majority at full confidence if written correctly.).
*Hyperion (kind of the same people except hyp dont have enough showing to compare to supes, so supes get the majority.)
*Captain marvel (one of the best fight out of all that is listed but i give cap the majority due to magic and i have seen him twice on panel knock superman unconcious. cap 6/10)
*Magneto (supes get the majority)
*green lantern (lantern gets the majority. Can create kryptonite.)
*Silver surfer (he can get at least 2 wins off of him and thats a complement since i think that silver surfer is one of the most powerful beings in marvel.)
*Darkseid (recent darkseid, supes can beat him 7/10, true nature darkseid supes will get at least 2 wins in but we have to go by recent showings so supes get the majority. Darkseid aint nothing but a punching bag these days. Almost anybody with sufficient strength and durability could take him.)
Iron Man (superman 10/10)

Superman is the greatest hero that has ever came out but its not his powers that makes him win his battle but his will power. Superman has great power but there are plenty out there who is just as powerful or 10 times more powerful than him. Will power can only get you so far. Superman has the basic powers, whereas there is some people that have to control there power to a certain degree or they could destroy the planet.

Im not debating trying to change anyone mind on these forums, Im just posting what i think just like you all are doing. When it comes to debate you have two different scenerios and one is bios and handbooks and the other is on panel feats. In superman bios it clearly say that his max speed is 2000mps but in comics he has exceeded that through space. I agree with superman going ftl in space but i have never witnessed him go anywhere close to that on earth. Im not saying that he cant do it but until i see it then i will believe it. 😮

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'd say that's still pretty embarrassing considering how much experience he's supposed to have.

yeah that is embarrissing but he has to get beaten some kind of way. If you cant beat him physically, what other way is there. Just like when the jla, jsa fought despero, they couldnt beat him physically so they had to make a plan, outsmarted him. With that done do you consider despero less powerful because he got outsmarted and I think that apocalypse is more intellegent than despero.

Originally posted by carver9
yeah that is embarrissing but he has to get beaten some kind of way. If you cant beat him physically, what other way is there. Just like when the jla, jsa fought despero, they couldnt beat him physically so they had to make a plan, outsmarted him. With that done do you consider despero less powerful because he got outsmarted and I think that apocalypse is more intellegent than despero.

Apocalypse just seems too powerful to fail like he does. Thousands of years of experience and a celestial tech enhanced body? What the crap is wrong with you, Apocalypse?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I get Despero and Eclipso mixed up and I don't know either of their powers and I'm only 20% sure what one of them looks like. I think he has a fin on his head like a horny Doctor Zoidberg. So I can't really comment on that.

Apocalypse just seems too powerful to fail like he does. Thousands of years of experience and a celestial tech enhanced body? What the crap is wrong with you, Apocalypse?

True statement. 😉

But he is powerful but all villians have to lose some kind of way. I dont like the character though. Im not an apocalypse fan. Despero does have a fin on his head. You were right about that.

Apocalypse proved that he can fight in the high league, such as HE, Loki, PE Ikaris and din't lose to any of the mentioned.

But he also proved that he can also lose to much lesser power than himself.

franklin richards
hyperstorm
mad jim jaspers
proteus
legion
alpha
jean grey
nate grey
cable
stryfe
jammie bradock
scarlett witch
kid omega
elixir
new son gambit
apocalypse
invisible woman
magneto
thanos{mutant eternal}
blackbolt{mutant inhuman}
genis vell{mutant, although not complete. rick jones is too}
rick jones/destiny force
maelstrom{mtant deviant/inhuman}
exodus
xavier
magician