Why Was Jesus Baptised???????????

Originally posted by Nellinator
That makes no sense. Baptism was in no way connected to salvation until John preached baptism for the remission of sins (very different in meaning from previous forms of baptism in Judaism) even though he considered himself below Jesus.

Then it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Jesus was a man open to the interpretations of religion from a variety of people. If part of the interpretation of John's particular version included baptism, then being the flawed and very human man Jesus was, he would have done it.

Originally posted by Devil King
Then it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Jesus was a man open to the interpretations of religion from a variety of people. If part of the interpretation of John's particular version included baptism, then being the flawed and very human man Jesus was, he would have done it.

But they (Christians) believe that Jesus was pure and without sin. Then the question is, why did he get baptized? They will say that he took on the sins of the world. Then you have to ask, why did he die on the cross? If he washed the sins of the world away at Baptism, then why did he die on the cross? The answer would be, only blood can wash away the sins of the world. Then you have to ask, why did Jesus get baptized when only blood can wash away the sins of the world. It’s about then, I just give up. 😆

Circular logic always gives me a headache.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But they (Christians) believe that Jesus was pure and without sin.

And they also believe he is a god made into flesh, but like your other point, they'd be wrong.

Originally posted by Devil King
And they also believe he is a god made into flesh, but like your other point, they'd be wrong.

But they point at the bible and say it says I'm right, because the bible says it's right, therefore, you must be wrong.

Like I said: Circular logic always gives me a headache.

Originally posted by Barker
I think that in my religion it was to set an example or something, and show how important the ordinance is.

But I'm not to sure. haermm

Originally posted by leonheartmm
why was jesus baptised by john the baptist{as many christion sects believe}?????
baptism is a way {according to most christians} to purge onesself from the ORIGINAL SIN of adam/eve that all men inherit.

yet the main REASON, why CHRIST is called the savious etc, is because "HE WAS THE ONLY ONE BORN SINLESS"!!!!!!!!! if he was born with sin, then he wouldnt be qualified {by christianity's standards} to be the saviour!

so how come a man supposedly born COMPLETELY sinless, inherit the original sin and had to be BAPTISED to clean away that sin. in my oppinion, a total contradiction.

Baptism does not purge anyone of sin. Jesus did it to fulfill all righteousness (remember: Jesus is our role model, He was setting the example for us to follow).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Baptism does not purge anyone of sin. Jesus did it to fulfill all righteousness (remember: Jesus is our role model, He was setting the example for us to follow).

So then, we should all build crosses and hang ourselves from them?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So then, we should all build crosses and hang ourselves from them?

If you want to.

Jesus does command His followers to take up their cross and follow Him. But He does not mean literally.

😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you want to.

Jesus does command His followers to take up their cross and follow Him. But He does not mean literally.

😄

The why be baptized literally? Symbolic should be just fine. or not?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The why be baptized literally? Symbolic should be just fine. or not?

To fulfill all righteousness and blaze the trail for us.

Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins, we could not pay for our own sins that is why it is ridiculous to suggest that we should allow ourselves to be crucified (it would be suicide and it would not accomplish anything).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]... it would not accomplish anything...

That is very true. 😆

Originally posted by Devil King
Then it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Jesus was a man open to the interpretations of religion from a variety of people. If part of the interpretation of John's particular version included baptism, then being the flawed and very human man Jesus was, he would have done it.

Anyways, Storm did a good job of explaining it.

Originally posted by Nellinator
No it doesn't. Jesus specifically identified John's baptism as a necessary predecessor for himself. Jesus never identified himself as lesser than John, or a sinner. John identified himself as unworthy of baptising Jesus and Jesus was always identifed as greater than John. Did Jesus require salvation? There is no indication that he did it for salvation, that he thought he needed forgiveness, or anything else. Jesus never sacrifices because he doesn't need to, he is clearly described as being without sin. So, no it doesn't make any sense.

Anyways, Storm did a good job of explaining it.

What does this baptism have to do with who is lesser or greater?

And why would there be any indication of Jesus having a flawed human emotion like fear of what came after? The bible doesn't even mention all those awkward teenage years, you know the sexual transformation of Baby Jesus into the man who ended up on the cross. For the most important human being that has ever existed, there's tragically little first hand information written about him.

Originally posted by Devil King
What does this baptism have to do with who is lesser or greater?

And why would there be any indication of Jesus having a flawed human emotion like fear of what came after? The bible doesn't even mention all those awkward teenage years, you know the sexual transformation of Baby Jesus into the man who ended up on the cross. For the most important human being that has ever existed, there's tragically little first hand information written about him.

Originally posted by Nellinator
John started the baptism. For someone greater than him to want to be baptized is very odd. If it was not, John, as the creator of the water baptism for remission of sins, would not have resisted baptizing Jesus. Jesus's baptism, as Storm mentioned, is very different than anyone else's. There is something else going on there than there is in any other baptism that had taken place, or has since then.

Yeah, I don't need a "History" lesson. And yeah, I get that Jesus' baptism was different, what with the sky cracking open and all. Apparently, Jesus was god-made-man but experienced absolutely nothing about being a man. I mean, I've got pictures of my baptism, and I don't see the virgin mary on a piece of toast or the sky cracking open. No sex, couldn't stay dead, walking on water and the sky cracking open every time he left the house....it had to be rough.

Originally posted by Devil King
What does this baptism have to do with who is lesser or greater?

And why would there be any indication of Jesus having a flawed human emotion like fear of what came after? The bible doesn't even mention all those awkward teenage years, you know the sexual transformation of Baby Jesus into the man who ended up on the cross. For the most important human being that has ever existed, there's tragically little first hand information written about him.

I am glad that you acknowledge that Jesus is the most important Human that has ever existed (He still exists though and His divine privileges have been reinstated).

Jesus teenage years are of no consequence because they would not have helped anyone. So that information was not deemed relevant by God. But only the most helpful and expedient information about Jesus has been recorded.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am glad that you acknowledge that Jesus is the most important Human that has ever existed (He still exists though and His divine privileges have been reinstated).

Jesus teenage years are of no consequence because they would not have helped anyone. So that information was not deemed relevant by God. But only the most helpful and expedient information about Jesus has been recorded.

Yeah, like I need to tell you I don't think he's the most important. He's up there, but as you said in another thread:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(he only has the sway that people give him).

As for the rest of your post, I'm glad you acknowledge that the majority of his life was a waste of time.

Originally posted by Devil King
Yeah, like I need to tell you I [b]don't think he's the most important. He's up there, but as you said in another thread:

As for the rest of your post, I'm glad you acknowledge that the majority of his life was a waste of time. [/B]

I did not acknowledge that the majority of Jesus' life was a waste of time--you did. I believe those years were very crucial for Him, but not necessarily for important for us. Besides (thank you Holy Spirit for the revelation). I believe that Adam was at least thirty years of age at the moment that he was created and disobeyed God. Perhaps Jesus had to wait until He was thirty years of age before He could undo what Adam set in motion. Jesus is called the last Adam. The first Adam disobeyed God and plunged this world into sin. But Jesus--the last Adam--obeyed God and has made salvation from sin available.

Those years of Jesus' life were of no consequence in terms of them requiring mention because they would not help anyone (Jesus did not began His earthly ministry until He was thirty years of age).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I did not acknowledge that the majority of Jesus' life was a waste of time--you did. I believe those years were very crucial for Him, but not necessarily for important for us. Besides (thank you Holy Spirit for the revelation). I believe that Adam was at least thirty years of age at the moment that he was created and disobeyed God. Perhaps Jesus had to wait until He was thirty years of age before He could undo what Adam set in motion. Jesus is called the last Adam. The first Adam disobeyed God and plunged this world into sin. But Jesus--the last Adam--obeyed God and has made salvation from sin available.

Those years of Jesus' life were of no consequence in terms of them requiring mention because they would not help anyone (Jesus did not began His earthly ministry until He was thirty years of age).

What does Adam have to do with anything, much less how old Jesus needed to be when he died? Can you point out for us where you found this crucial tidbit of information on Adam's "age" the day he was created...which ever day it was? You think god dropped the axe on himself at the age of thirty three because he'd done enough to get his point across? Maybe instead of running his mouth he should have been writing this stuff down. Surely there were people around him that could read and write; maybe a few more scribes and a few less fishermen would have been a better way for god to have gone about beginning his "earthly ministry".

Jesus' life was of no consequence? For the supposed savior of mankind, I would make the assumption that there isn't too much that isn't important.

But, then again, I know the difference between a parable and mythology.

Originally posted by Devil King
Surely there were people around him that could read and write; maybe a few more scribes and a few less fishermen would have been a better way for god to have gone about beginning his "earthly ministry".

But, then again, I know the difference between a parable and mythology.

No, you can't. You just think you can.