Originally posted by Devil King
What does Adam have to do with anything, much less how old Jesus needed to be when he died? Can you point out for us where you found this crucial tidbit of information on Adam's "age" the day he was created...which ever day it was? You think god dropped the axe on himself at the age of thirty three because he'd done enough to get his point across? Maybe instead of running his mouth he should have been writing this stuff down. Surely there were people around him that could read and write; maybe a few more scribes and a few less fishermen would have been a better way for god to have gone about beginning his "earthly ministry".Jesus' life was of no consequence? For the supposed savior of mankind, I would make the assumption that there isn't too much that isn't important.
But, then again, I know the difference between a parable and mythology.
You don't read very well do you? I said that I believed that Adam was at least thirty (i.e. created at that age because that age represents optimum maturity).
I didn't say that Jesus' life was of no consequence (boy you have the most extreme case of selecting reading that I have ever encountered). Go back and re-read what I said, I am not about re-write my post.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Because that's what Jesus wanted? People to write down what he said and for scribes (very rare in those days) to be burdened with preaching the gospel in abrasive environments? That kinda bastardizes the part of God and Jesus's message that God uses our weakness to make us strong. Besides that, there is a healthy amount of scribal material about Jesus. Very healthy considering the time period he was born in. How many people from that time do we have the history of before they were in a position of power? Who was supposed to record Jesus's teenage years? Some panicky chum from his childhood? Apparently God chose the beset beginning for his ministry considering that is the most widespread religion in the world.
So, you're agreeing that there was no consequence to Jesus from the age of three to 30?
Christ, you people will come up with any amount of flawed logic you can to justify, won't you? Feel free to point out all the "many" first hand accounts written down by people who were standing there.
Originally posted by Nellinator
No, you can't. You just think you can.
You do know that all these first hand accounts that you seem to think exist are "records" of what Jesus said, right? Most of his sermons are parables. You know that, right? The creation story is mythology, at least until you get to people who want to say it's a metaphore for the 6 billion year history of the planet.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You don't read very well do you? I said that [b]I believed that Adam was at least thirty (i.e. created at that age because that age represents optimum maturity). [/B]
And I asked where you got that assumption. And are you ****ing kidding me, you think 30 is the optimum age of maturity? How old are you?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I didn't say that Jesus' life was of no consequence
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus teenage years are of no consequence
Originally posted by Devil King
And [b]I asked where you got that assumption. And are you ****ing kidding me, you think 30 is the optimum age of maturity? How old are you? [/B]
It is my belief (what about that don't you understand)?
Yes I have heard that 30 is the optimum age in terms of maturity.
My personal information is a waste of time 😂 and it's of no consequence 😆
Like I aforesaid, I did not say that Jesus life (from the time He was 12 until He turned 30) was a waste of time, I said that it was of no consequence because it wouldn't help anyone. Waste of time and of no consequence are not synonymous.
😱 😄
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is my belief (what about that don't you understand)?Yes I have heard that 30 is the optimum age in terms of maturity.
My personal information is a waste of time 😂 [b]and
it's of no consequence 😆Like I aforesaid, I did not say that Jesus life (from the time He was 12 until He turned 30) was a waste of time, I said that it was of no consequence because it wouldn't help anyone.
😱 😄 [/B]
Don't pretend you think I don't understand what you said, I get it. It's your "belief". On what are you basing this belief?
As for a waste of time, no you didn't say that. I did You said "Of no consequence" A pretty shitty way to think about your favorite celebrity.
Need it again?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I didn't say that Jesus' life was of no consequence
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus teenage years are of no consequence
Originally posted by Devil King
Don't pretend you think I don't understand what you said, I get it. It's your [b]"belief". On what are you basing this belief?As for a waste of time, no you didn't say that. I did You said "Of no consequence" A pretty shitty way to think about your favorite celebrity.
Need it again? [/B]
That's it, I can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt. It appears that you are incapable of comprehending what you read.
I do not think that Jesus was of no consequence (something appears to be lacking in your intelligence to comprehend what you read), I said that Jesus teenage years was of no consequence--not Jesus the Person was of no consequence.
You can quote what I said until Jesus returns but you appear to be incapable of understanding what you read.
Oh, Jesus is my God, Lord, Savior, and soon-returning King--not my favorite celebrity.
😄
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That's it, I can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt. It appears that you are incapable of comprehending what you read.I do not think that [B]Jesus
was of no consequence (something appears to be lacking in your intelligence to comprehend what you read), I said that Jesus teenage years was of no consequence--not Jesus the Person was of no consequence.You can quote what I said until Jesus returns but you appear to be incapable of understanding what you read.
Oh, Jesus is my God, Lord, Savior, and soon-returning King--not my favorite celebrity.
😄 [/B]
If you want to blame this on someone's inability to comprehend, I'd suggest you look at yourself. I said I find it odd that you seem to think that a man as important to teh world as Jesus is in your opinion, why would there be 25 missing years of his life.
You said his teenage years were of no consequence, I countered that you of all people should think there were no part of his life that wasn't important to your devotion to him.
Originally posted by Devil King
If you want to blame this on someone's inability to comprehend, I'd suggest you look at yourself. I said I find it odd that you seem to think that a man as important to teh world as Jesus is in your opinion, why would there be 25 missing years of his life.You said his teenage years were of no consequence, I countered that you of all people should think there were no part of his life that wasn't important to your devotion to him.
First you can't comprehend very well, now you can't add either? (The problem has been compounded).
From the time Jesus was 12 until He turned 30 is 18 years.
Originally posted by Devil KingAre you daft? I'd tell you to read my post again, but I doubt you'd get the gist. No I don't think it is of no consequence. But, I guess you will use whatever faulty logic you want to support that false assumption won't you.
So, you're agreeing that there was no consequence to Jesus from the age of three to 30?Christ, you people will come up with any amount of flawed logic you can to justify, won't you? Feel free to point out all the "many" first hand accounts written down by people who were standing there.
You do know that all these first hand accounts that you seem to think exist are "records" of what Jesus said, right? Most of his sermons are parables. You know that, right? The creation story is mythology, at least until you get to people who want to say it's a metaphore for the 6 billion year history of the planet.
First-hand records? Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of John. That's rather incredible for someone from that time period.
Yes, they are records recorded by eyewitnesses in three cases. Luke is also a record of eyewitness accounts. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables a lot of the time. However, his most famous sermon was the Sermon on the Mount and it contained very few parables if any (I don't feel like going to check, but feel free to check for yourself). Sadly, neither of these have any bearing on this discussion.
The creation story has many interpretations, none of which count as mythology. Metaphor in many cases, not mythology.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonToo bad there isn't any support for that other than parallelomanic suppositions.
18 years is more then enough time to grow up, go to India and return home.
so according to JIA, john took up a practice which was nothing more than empty tradition with no prupose. and god in all his originalty, chose the SAME already existing empty practice and declared that itd wash away the original sin of christians. LMAO, thas stupid, the baptism is seen as holy, are you saying theres ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HOLY ABOUT THE ACT and its just belief that makes it holy????? furthermore, if the act as described in the bible, purges one of THE ORIGINAL SIN{yet jia tries to avoid this and interpret it as all sin and say that baptism doesnt wach you of general sin} then why oh WHY did jesus have to insist on it, seeing as he was sinless AND was god so he wudnt wanna lead his believers astray by THEN again maiking baptism the purging of the original sin{or MAYBE, it just tells you that paul was a liar who heard nothing from the apparent, "real" holy spirit.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Are you daft? I'd tell you to read my post again, but I doubt you'd get the gist. No I don't think it is of no consequence. But, I guess you will use whatever faulty logic you want to support that false assumption won't you.
That's why I presented it as a question. JIA said the middle of Jesus' life is of no cosequence to anyone, thus it wasn't recorded. But given the nature of the character of Jesus in christianity, you'd think all you christians would want to know what happened.
Originally posted by Nellinator
First-hand records? Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of John. That's rather incredible for someone from that time period.Yes, they are records recorded by eyewitnesses in three cases. Luke is also a record of eyewitness accounts. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables a lot of the time. However, his most famous sermon was the Sermon on the Mount and it contained very few parables if any (I don't feel like going to check, but feel free to check for yourself). Sadly, neither of these have any bearing on this discussion.
You're gonna stick with that?
Originally posted by Nellinator
The creation story has many interpretations, none of which count as mythology. Metaphor in many cases, not mythology.
You think there aren't people in this world that take the story literally? JIA springs to mind.