Originally posted by Nellinator
It depends what you are testing for. Einstein and crystallized intelligence generally didn't mix well. Einstein's fluid intelligence was probably off the charts.
whats the difference between the two? I don't think I've come across those terms...
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, because Einstein would score better at what Intelligence Quotient Tests are designed to find out.
lol, very well 😛
I think that may show an inherent flaw in the testing, but well played...
"In psychometric psychology, fluid and crystallized intelligence (abbreviated gF and gC, respectively) are factors of general intelligence identified by Raymond Cattell (1971). Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge (Cavanaugh & Blanchard-Fields, 2006). Crystallized intelligence is the ability to utilize previously acquired skills, knowledge, and experience (Cavanaugh & Blanchard-Fields, 2006). It should not be equated with memory or knowledge, but it does rely on accessing information from long-term memory. The terms are somewhat misleading because one is not a "crystallized" form of the other. Rather, they are believed to be separate neural and mental systems.
Fluid and crystallized intelligence are correlated with each other, and most IQ tests attempt to measure both varieties. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_and_crystallized_intelligence
Originally posted by inimalist
whats the difference between the two? I don't think I've come across those terms...lol, very well 😛
I think that may show an inherent flaw in the testing, but well played...
Well, the test doesn't really claim to test the overall value of a human being. Just what they define as intelligence...basically to quickly deal with new situations. I am sure Picasso might kill Einstein in the creativity test. But I think IQ tests do, if properly done, a point.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, the test doesn't really claim to test the overall value of a human being. Just what they define as intelligence...basically to quickly deal with new situations. I am sure Picasso might kill Einstein in the creativity test. But I think IQ tests do, if properly done, a point.
alright, I agree entirely with you, if with different terms
Intelligence to me is a more fundamental ideal with many manifestations, but I'm not sure if I think it really exists or if I'm just abstracting...
Re: Iq
Originally posted by Darth Demise
so i was taking an IQ test the other day(got a 130 if anyone cares) and while I was awaiting my results a bunch of IQ related stats were coming up on my screen. Things like "blah people take IQ test every blah" and "this is the blah breakdown of your blah" they werent any significant. than one popped up that sayed "the other day the national average IQ fell to 70".....let me repeat that ....."THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IQ FELL TO 70!!!" any thoughts?
The thing about IQ is brain injury, dementia, medication that effects memory, Alzheimer....and some of these things can strike at anytime, as both dementia and Alzheimer is really high in the USA, not sure if it's related to diet or not. But, just know that it's not a static issue, as things can go wrong and makes the whole IQ pride something else. I seen a report on the news of a man who was the top in his field, a wife and kids...and something happened and he declined mentally and he wasn't even in his 40s!
If you are smart, good for you, but please, use your smarts now to figure out dementia and Alzheimer, not just standing on a high horse about an IQ above 170 (bradock says is only 130) (as this is where true geniuses are going to score). And if you are that smart, no need to pick on the ones who have less, better to save yourself by learning how to cure dementia and Alzheimer, that is the smartest thing anyone can do who is that much of a genius. Making someone feel less does nothing in solving a problem that can hit anyone, and that effects a lot more Americans then Europeans, and is effecting our population at younger ages, and again, medication CAN ALTER MEMORY, temp or perm, some medications can interact with the brain in terrible ways. If you end up with Alzheimer or dementia, even at a younger age then normal, what good will bragging about an IQ do for you?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually they say above 140 is genius...and you need 130 to be a member of Mensa...but, I was joking anyways, I don't have 188.
maybe they lowered their standards...i don't remember the exact number now that i think about it...but i thought it was at least above 160 or 170...
Re: Re: Iq
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
The thing about IQ is brain injury, dementia, medication that effects memory, Alzheimer....and some of these things can strike at anytime, as both dementia and Alzheimer is really high in the USA, not sure if it's related to diet or not. But, just know that it's not a static issue, as things can go wrong and makes the whole IQ pride something else. I seen a report on the news of a man who was the top in his field, a wife and kids...and something happened and he declined mentally and he wasn't even in his 40s!If you are smart, good for you, but please, use your smarts now to figure out dementia and Alzheimer, not just standing on a high horse about an IQ above 170 (bradock says is only 130) (as this is where true geniuses are going to score). And if you are that smart, no need to pick on the ones who have less, better to save yourself by learning how to cure dementia and Alzheimer, that is the smartest thing anyone can do who is that much of a genius. Making someone feel less does nothing in solving a problem that can hit anyone, and that effects a lot more Americans then Europeans, and is effecting our population at younger ages, and again, medication CAN ALTER MEMORY, temp or perm, some medications can interact with the brain in terrible ways. If you end up with Alzheimer or dementia, even at a younger age then normal, what good will bragging about an IQ do for you?
Okay, the last few posts have hurt my brain. So here I go:
HISTORY OF IQ TESTS
Galton: “the biological capacity for intellectual achievement”
- believed intelligence to be very highly inherited
- tried to assess intelligence by measuring reaction speed and sensory acuity abilities
Binet: “a collection of various higher-order mental abilities that are only loosely related to one another”
-Believed intelligence is nurtured through interaction with the environment, rather than entirely inherited
-Developed the Binet-Simon, the IQ test on which the WAIS was built
Binet’s intentions were to identify children who needed extra attention in school, not to pigeon-hole them as more recent tests are accused of doing
The Binet-Simon tested skills required for schoolwork: memory, vocabulary, common knowledge, use of numbers, understanding of time, and ability to combine ideas
The score on the Simon-Binet was given in terms of mental age; that is the age group whose performance an individual most closely matches
IQ = (mental age/chronological age) x 100
Spearman combined Galton’s perspective on intelligence with Binet’s testing strategy
Like Galton, Spearman believed intelligence to be a “biologically endowed ability”
Through factor analysis, determined intelligence to be a combination of “general intelligence” (g) and “specific ability” (s)
Cattell built on Spearman’s work by dividing g into fluid and crystallized intelligence
Fluid Intelligence: the ability to perceive relationships independent of previous specific practice or instruction concerning those relationships
-ncreases with age until about 20-25 years of age
Crystallized Intelligence: mental ability derived directly from previous experience
-increases with age until about 50 years of age
Before Binet’s test was adapted into the WAIS, it was modified by a professor at Stanford University into the Stanford-Binet
Modifications included:
-modernization of questions
-change from MA to Intelligence Quotient
-based on the normal curve
To get into Mensa you do not need an IQ of 170. That is stupid. You need to get in the top 2% of any standardized IQ test.
Gifted is usually considered to be anything beyond one standard deviation on a normal bell curve with a mean of 100. That means anything higher than 134.1. Anything higher than two standard deviations is considered genius. That means anything higher than 147.7. That would be the top 2.3 percentile. Which is bascially what Mensa requires. Intelligence tests do not discriminate well past two standard deviations because there cannot be enough variety and scope to measure that level of intelligence.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Okay, the last few posts have hurt my brain. So here I go:
hurt your brain or your ego.
iq is nothing if a person takes medication that effects memory, or dementia, or Alzheimer, if you are that smart, find a cure! do something productive! i can understand stupid people being lazy, but no sense of bragging on iq when it's a waste of brain matter, use it for something if you are so found of it. and if anything, use it to solve problems that is related to the brain, as this would make a lot of sense and seem much more of an investment for someone who has a coveted iq, as if one ever does develop dementia or Alzheimer or on meds that effect memory, or a head injury, what would the purpose serve of bragging on a past iq score?.
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
hurt your brain or your ego.iq is nothing if a person takes medication that effects memory, or dementia, or Alzheimer, if you are that smart, find a cure! do something productive! i can understand stupid people being lazy, but no sense of bragging on iq when it's a waste of brain matter, use it for something if you are so found of it. and if anything, use it to solve problems that is related to the brain, as this would make a lot of sense and seem much more of an investment for someone who has a coveted iq, as if one ever does develop dementia or Alzheimer or on meds that effect memory, or a head injury, what would the purpose serve of bragging on a past iq score?.