Darth Sion vs Darth Vader

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Source please. Plus you basically just contradicted yourself right there. Basically the whole Jedi Order was devastated. Sion and his men started slaughtering them by the hundreds(Straight from the game) and when some of the remaining Jedi gathered at Katarr, Nihilus attacked, then the remaining Jedi fled, only to eventually slaughtered by Sion and his men.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

And how many Jedi did Vader kill in that little group? There were only 8 in that group, 3 of which Vader killed, and 3 of which Vader was about to BE KILLED by.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

And if the Jedi in Sion's time knew how to use all the saber forms instead of just specializing in one and say the Force clearly, I'd certainly put them above the Jedi Vader hunted, who lacked all those things.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

So? Maul was basically a pawn. He let his pride get the better of him not one, but TWO times, and look what happened. Maul himself wouldn't stand a chance against Sion. And Vader killed what? 3 Jedi who weren't prepared, two more who were just inexperienced padawans and one who gave up? That's nothing compared to what Sion and his assassins did.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

True, but we know Sidious wouldn't teach Vader to the point where Sion was, lest Vader try and succeed in defeating Sidious, he actually mentions that in the ROTS Novel aswell.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

Sion> OT Vader

Originally posted by Spartan ll
And there is nothing suggest that post-suit Vader did anything considerable besides killing an Old Man who let him and cutting the hand off a kid who barely learned on how to use a saber

Originally posted by Spartan ll

You're right, they don't. That's why him and his assassins cloaked and stalked Jedi till it was the right time to strike and then used a technique that drained the soon-to-be-dead Jedi, of the Force(Kreia mentions this in the game). And yeah, because him and most of his men hunted them down, then when some went to discuss about it, Nihilus killed them, and Sion and his men hunted down the rest.

Originally posted by Spartan ll

And I will say again; bullshit. In Purge, Vader was lured into a trap due to his emotions getting the better of him, only killed a few Jedi, and was about to be killed by the few remaining Jedi till his troops bailed him out. Where as Sion, wouldn't need anyone to bail him out, due to the fact that he can regenerate and knows a hell of a lot more than Vader does, due to the fact he probably had more knowledge available in his time than Vader did.

I don't have enough time to continue this debate, so I'll hand it to you without a fight. However, I am interested in this video of 'OT vader destroying tanks as big as an ATAT and 'using force wave to blow back an entire platton of rebel troops 100 feet back.'

I haven't been here in awhile, so forgive me if I don't know what the hell is going on.

Kavar and Vrook Lamar have shown absolutely nothing when compared to any of the people I mentioned. Tell me what powerful force users had they faced in lightsaber combat? All you know about them is that they were masters,who faught in a few battles. And pretty much had a dislike for the exile. There is no evidence to suggest they were gifted in lightsaber combat or in the force to challenge Mace,Yoda,Anakin,or Obi-wan. They would get killed rather fast. Revan and the exile can't win a 4 on 2 battle with jedi who at the very least on the same level of skill or better.

That's exactly what I think. I guess he's been away for too long.

I really doubt one order of jedi is much stronger than another, maybe before the clone wars the jedi order was weaker but once that came on all the constant combat would hone there skills to a point at least equal with kotor era jedi

Originally posted by Riverollv
That's exactly what I think. I guess he's been away for too long.

And Hord, as I said, get that Darth Bane book if you want to know how powerful Revan was. After reading it, I'd definately put him up there with Yoda or Mace.

Yes, he is probably up there or somewhere very near. I'd qualify Revan as being slightly weaker (overall) then Yoda and Sidious.

Originally posted by IOU
when vader displays this kind of skill with a saber, get back to me

One slow swing of the lightsaber? I don't think it's over the top to assume that Vader could do that.

Vader has toyed with two experienced Jedi Knights, who worked great together in RODV, plus killed a few Padawans (plus his feats in Purge), 20 years prior to Vader's prime. He demolished the dark woman. He has multiple sources of being "lightning fast" with his lightsaber (Script, RODV), and was described as swinging faster that the human eye can see in SOTME. He beat Obi Wan (the master of a defensive form, who had been keeping up with his saber skills, and Yoda's overall superior) in ANH. He beat Luke (who had learned a Hell of a lot on Degobah). He also has victories over other heavy hitters such as an assassin with a variety of strange weapons and defences (including a deflector shield), and Boba "BAMF" Fett. There is also always the infamous Crimson Empire scan.

However, if scans are what get you your geddies, they could be supplied I imagine.

Sion's only advantage is his rage based durability. Vader's words twisted Boba's mind and seemed to Luke as something alive. Also, Vader also used his hatred to keep himself alive, and many times even healed the wounds he suffered at Mustafar (albeit not permanently).
Also, I left out force powers, I can post them if you want.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
And Hord, as I said, get that Darth Bane book if you want to know how powerful Revan was. After reading it, I'd definately put him up there with Yoda or Mace.

I know about the book. The reason have rank him slightly below Mace and Yoda because we don't know how good he is with a ligthsaber. I know he was good and defeated Malak. But we don't know how much he used it because gameplay is not cannon. We don't know form he uses in the 1st game he has a single saber but in the 2nd game he was shown wielding 2. I know how uber he is with force but his saber skills are still yet to be fully known. I suggest you look at other threads involving Revan because this has been stated before.

Yes, we cannot know the full scale of his lightsaber skills, but there is no doubt he IS great, because he was the best in an Order of hundreds of thousands, and was considered a Prodigy.

Originally posted by Darth Skorm
Yes, we cannot know the full scale of his lightsaber skills, but there is no doubt he IS great, because he was the best in an Order of hundreds of thousands, and was considered a Prodigy.

Exactly he was great but there is no evidence to put him in the same league as Mace and Yoda in saber skills. Revan has a great knowledge of the force but as it has been stated on this forum many times that once you engage in a saber duel it is very hard to get out of it or at least put enough distance to use the force which would be Revan's best chance against either of them.

Yes, we cannot know the full scale of his lightsaber skills, but there is no doubt he IS great, because he was the best in an Order of hundreds of thousands, and was considered a Prodigy.

AotC novel says there was several thousand jedi in the galaxy not hundreds of thousands. Force sensitiveity is rare unless your talking about over several jedi generations

Originally posted by Spartan ll
I don't have enough time to continue this debate, so I'll hand it to you without a fight. However, I am interested in this video of 'OT vader destroying tanks as big as an ATAT and 'using force wave to blow back an entire platton of rebel troops 100 feet back.'

I haven't been here in awhile, so forgive me if I don't know what the hell is going on.

And when i mentined the blowe back platton troops, its also in the game but i dont have the video but he did blow back 6 wild animals the size of elephants really far apart and he did the same thing to a thug who harassed him

Originally posted by kevin-nivek
Yes, we cannot know the full scale of his lightsaber skills, but there is no doubt he IS great, because he was the best in an Order of hundreds of thousands, and was considered a Prodigy.

AotC novel says there was several thousand jedi in the galaxy not hundreds of thousands. Force sensitiveity is rare unless your talking about over several jedi generations

Uh... why didn't you quote? 🤨 Anyway, you got my point, didn't you? That's what matters.

Originally posted by Manslayer
And when i mentined the blowe back platton troops, its also in the game

I'd call into question whether or not Vader demonstrates such powers during the game.

Given what I've read, it's an in-game ability, much like Han Solo's abilities to make the Millennium Falcon invincible for a set amount of time. Unless said technique is displayed in a cutscene, then it's hardly valid to use in an argument.

but he did blow back 6 wild animals the size of elephants

"Size of elephants"?

If you're referring to what he does in Empire, Volume 3, then I'd tell you that they were half the size of Vader in height, if that. They weren't big whatsoever.

he did the same thing to a thug who harassed him

Which means what?

I really can't find this impressive, as someone like Obi-Wan Kenobi, who isn't renown for his strength in the Force tossed Grievous a fair margin away (and had he not his an object it's likely he would've went farther).

Sion is a high tier duelist that kills Jedi left and right. Proof Vader could compete with such feats?