According to the angry little pup who wanted to make it look like he was a bad guy?Scott already knew that telepaths speak to each other, that was NOT the type of communication that Emma was referring to.
Did Xavier ever FORCE anyone to participate in missions? No, he held them back to make sure they were ready. Are you familiar with Jubilee? Those so called children, are people whose life he rescued and provided a better alternative for. Did you ever hear "No Professor, please don't make us go outside and fight the bad guys."
After the 1980s most X-men have been fully grown anyways and completely responsible for their own actions.
He plays god in Illuminati, oh really now? They're a council of the strongest and the brightest. It's obvious that they had no bad intentions when it came to the IG.
Also, try and force Emma? If he wanted to, he could've forced her. You keep on saying "tried to control with his telepathy" and such, but the truth is that if Xavier wanted to, he could make all the people in the world accept mutants.
If he really wanted to he could remove all the mutant hatred in the world, but he hasn't.
You're almost like a broken record now. Keep on pointing to the same issues and interviews. Claiming that he violated their free will. Has he ever telepathically forced anyone to stay at the mansion? Has he ever telepathically forced anyone to carry out missions? NO AND NO
Does he make bad decisions sometimes? Yes.
Does that necessarily make him a bad person? No.Xavier's not a hypocrite, if he was then there wouldn't be any mutant hatred in the world, no would there?
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Xavier could almost do anything with his powers with one thought the man could bang every chick on the planet ,make the president bungee jump from the statue of liberty without a rope and take controle over the world... But instead he choses to reach his dreams the hard way and on top of that he gives mutant children a home and a future while listening to Jean's , Cyclops and Wolverine's bullcrap all the time...
i'f that ain't word some props i don't know what is...
The man is a whole better rolemodel than every person in our world combined.. I'f i had his powers the world would be in some deep deeep doggsh*t...Everybody i know would abuse his powers and i'm not talking about kicking some brat out of a danger room kinda abuse i'f ya know what i mean.. 😉
He's maybe not the perfect rolemodel, the man has his flaws but who doesn't ? I think Xavier's character is much more realistic and mature than Superman's...
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This post is to EC, not you Aqua Pimp 🙂
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Xavier knows more than anyone about control. Slipping up isn't a sign of abuse. Who are you to decide what's abuse and what isn't?
His missions weren't always "do or die" they chose to go on the missions. They could turn their backs on him whenever they felt like it. Like Storm did.
If Xavier had wanted to force Emma, he could've. Trying is just nonsense, because if he was so desperate about it then he could've made her.
Give me a scan of him clearly violating someone's free will using their telepathy. Then give me an example of YOUR good role model, who has never violated someone's free will.
If Brubaker wants to come along and suddenly **** up Xavier, then be my guest. Won't change my impression of him.
Beyonder posed a threat to their Universe. Or did you somehow manage to miss Secret War? Skrulls have and will always be a danger. Gathering the IG was an absolute necessity, it was to prevent people like Thanos from getting it again. Even you can understand that.
Now, let's see your role model.
Originally posted by Aqua-pimp
👆Xavier could almost do anything with his powers with one thought the man could bang every chick on the planet ,make the president bungee jump from the statue of liberty without a rope and take controle over the world... But instead he choses to reach his dreams the hard way and on top of that he gives mutant children a home and a future while listening to Jean's , Cyclops and Wolverine's bullcrap all the time...
i'f that ain't word some props i don't know what is...
The man is a whole better rolemodel than every person in our world combined.. I'f i had his powers the world would be in some deep deeep doggsh*t...Everybody i know would abuse his powers and i'm not talking about kicking some brat out of a danger room kinda abuse i'f ya know what i mean.. 😉
He's maybe not the perfect rolemodel, the man has his flaws but who doesn't ? I think Xavier's character is much more realistic and mature than Superman's...😎
I agree. No one's perfect, but considering the things Xavier could've done, I think he's a pretty damn good role model 🙂
Even if he had Moira, Jean and Amelia every weekend, it still wouldn't be comparable to the truly horrible things he could've done.
Cassandra Nova was evil and she was his direct opposite. What's the direct opposite of evil EC?
I don't see things in just good and evil, but that doesn't mean that there are NO good or evil people. Geez.
Originally posted by llagrok
This post is to EC, not you Aqua Pimp 🙂LOL.
Xavier knows more than anyone about control. Slipping up isn't a sign of abuse. Who are you to decide what's abuse and what isn't?
His missions weren't always "do or die" they chose to go on the missions. They could turn their backs on him whenever they felt like it. Like Storm did.
If Xavier had wanted to force Emma, he could've. Trying is just nonsense, because if he was so desperate about it then he could've made her.
Give me a scan of him clearly violating someone's free will using their telepathy. Then give me an example of YOUR good role model, who has never violated someone's free will.
If Brubaker wants to come along and suddenly **** up Xavier, then be my guest. Won't change my impression of him.
Beyonder posed a threat to their Universe. Or did you somehow manage to miss Secret War? Skrulls have and will always be a danger. Gathering the IG was an absolute necessity, it was to prevent people like Thanos from getting it again. Even you can understand that.
Now, let's see your role model.
I don't have a role model...out of all the choices in this thread, the closest role model for children would have to be either the Thing or Superman.
This is a slip up:
This isn't. And as shown by the scans he tried.
You're asking scared children to leave...or to rationalize for themselves? Storm was a well grounded adult when she made that decision.
It's not just Brubaker it's everyone.
The Beyonder was minding his own business after Secret Wars. He wasn't threatening anyone. They felt the need to meddle and the situation could have ended far worse then it was.
They stirred up more trouble with the Skrulls and botched up there as well.
IG wasn't a necessity either. They're meddling in cosmic affairs that doesn't concern them. Why is it suddenly under their jurisdiction. If anything they've made it worse since all the gems are lying in one place.
Originally posted by llagrok
[B]I agree. No one's perfect, but considering the things Xavier could've done, I think he's a pretty damn good role model 🙂Even if he had Moira, Jean and Amelia every weekend, it still wouldn't be comparable to the truly horrible things he could've done.
Cassandra Nova was evil and she was his direct opposite. What's the direct opposite of evil EC?
I don't see things in just good and evil, but that doesn't mean that there are NO good or evil people. Geez.
Cassandra Nova is not his polar opposite. She's an astral parasite that used his DNA to become his twin sister.
Originally posted by llagrok
Telling someone to get out of your room, then pushing them out isn't the same as violating their free will.According to Shi'ar we all have our Mummudrai, polar opposites. I think I'll stick with what they said.
I also told you not to bring that Deadly genesis shit. Brubaker's PIS doesn't apply here.
I'll give you the anti-self thing. However this can be looked upon in two ways. Xaviers wants to save all mutants she wants to destroy them all. In that sense she's his anti-self. And in fact now when I think about it does work. How would you describe a character that will do absolutely anything for the greater good? To further the greater good("His dream"😉 a character may make sinister decisions. So again in that sense CN can be his anti-self.
BTW What kind of morality do you think Magneto's or Emma Frosts anti-self would have. Hence the reason why the CN logic doesn't work here.
Actually controlling someones biological functions and forcing someone out the door mentally is violating there free will.
The Brubaker stuff is part of continuity. So are all the examples Claremont gave.
And it's not just about him abusing his powers. It's also about all his devious secrets and plans. Honesty was never one of his strong points.
That fact alone makes him a bad role model for kids.
If you grab your daughters arm and lead her out of the room, are you someone who abuses his physical strength?
Xavier's MLK junior
Magneto's Malcolm X
So you're seriously going to call Xavier a hypocrite for pushing someone out of the room using Telepathy? I mean, that tells us quite a lot about your bias in this discussion, doesn't it?
By violating their privacy, Xavier means to extract information from their minds and such. He's made like three mental pushes in his adult life, you think that makes him a bad role model?
How about Superman? Self appointed Judge, Jury and Executioner? I don't think he's much better.
Ben Grimm's a good role model, Lockjaw's into him and that's a good sign 🙂
If my kid grew up to be half the man Xavier is, I'd be proud as hell. 'nuff said.
You have jack shit to do here besides try and piss me off, seeing as you don't consider any of these good role models. You have nothing to do here, you are not here to participate in the contest. You're only here to antagonize. Please, leave this thread.
Originally posted by llagrok
If you grab your daughters arm and lead her out of the room, are you someone who abuses his physical strength?Xavier's MLK junior
Magneto's Malcolm XSo you're seriously going to call Xavier a hypocrite for pushing someone out of the room using Telepathy? I mean, that tells us quite a lot about your bias in this discussion, doesn't it?
By violating their privacy, Xavier means to extract information from their minds and such. He's made like three mental pushes in his adult life, you think that makes him a bad role model?
How about Superman? Self appointed Judge, Jury and Executioner? I don't think he's much better.
Ben Grimm's a good role model, Lockjaw's into him and that's a good sign 🙂
If my kid grew up to be half the man Xavier is, I'd be proud as hell. 'nuff said.
You have jack shit to do here besides try and piss me off, seeing as you don't consider any of these good role models. You have nothing to do here, you are not here to participate in the contest. You're only here to antagonize. Please, leave this thread.
Violating someones mind is different from physically pulling someone out a room. At least the person has a chance to resist an leave on their own accord.
No I'm calling him a hypocrite for violating his own code of ethics. He used to mind wipe bystanders left right and centre before the X-Men were known to the world. Fact of the matter is while it's understandable it doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite. He's also a hypocrite when it comes to his ethos. All life is sacred...but look what he did to Danger. And when it comes to honesty the good Professor preaches but never takes his own advice.
The icing on the cake is the Child soldier thing.
I said the closest would be Ben Grimm and Superman. Superman because I haven't seen him abuse his power or authority. But then again I was never big into SuperMan comics.
You asked a question at the beginning of this thread and you didn't like the answer you got. And there's only one person to blame for that.
Again if you don't like it, write an angry letter to Marvel or something. With that said I'll leave you to do whatever you do because you're clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Why don't you get the **** out of this thread? You're only here to argue.
Stop calling it child soldiers, he never sent any children into combat. Teens might've had to defend themselves, but don't make it sound like he's forcing anyone to fight. You've yet to show me a scan of him forcing someone to fight. Good job mate, good job.
Superman's the biggest hypocrite in the world, everyone can see that. Good choice for a role model. I'm sure his morals would work, if everyone were Kryptonian.
Why does Xavier mind wipe people?
Your point about Shadowcat not being able to resist is BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIT. A strong enough mind can resist, just like a strong enough person can resist being pulled out of the room.
You can't handle the fact that Xavier is a good role model. Tough noogies. Get out of the thread now, you have nothing to do here. We're discussing possible good role models, you're trashing Xavier. 10 slip ups at max throughout his entire life, what an evil man.
Incidentally do you think it's right that Green Goblin had sex with Gwen Stacy and got two little kiddies? I mean, everyone knows that it's blatant bullshit, but according to you anything that's stated in a comic goes, even if it's contradicting.
Originally posted by llagrok
Why don't you get the **** out of this thread? You're only here to argue.Stop calling it child soldiers, he never sent any children into combat. Teens might've had to defend themselves, but don't make it sound like he's forcing anyone to fight. You've yet to show me a scan of him forcing someone to fight. Good job mate, good job.
Superman's the biggest hypocrite in the world, everyone can see that. Good choice for a role model. I'm sure his morals would work, if everyone were Kryptonian.
Why does Xavier mind wipe people?
Your point about Shadowcat not being able to resist is BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIT. A strong enough mind can resist, just like a strong enough person can resist being pulled out of the room.
You can't handle the fact that Xavier is a good role model. Tough noogies. Get out of the thread now, you have nothing to do here. We're discussing possible good role models, you're trashing Xavier. 10 slip ups at max throughout his entire life, what an evil man.
Incidentally do you think it's right that Green Goblin had sex with Gwen Stacy and got two little kiddies? I mean, everyone knows that it's blatant bullshit, but according to you anything that's stated in a comic goes, even if it's contradicting.
You should never have asked the question then. And if I knew that you would get so upset I would never have answered. So here's a pretty picture:
Well done 😉
