Originally posted by 2damnloud
It doesn't say that.
Of course I believe he uses his mind to do things as far as cognition, but not specialized telekenesis.
He was melted in the lake. He used the lake to create a body for himself.
He WAS the lake. His conciousness was inside it.
And here, he uses his enemy's moisture to create himself a body, thus, transferring his conciousness into that water...
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/6134/iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7682/iceman32ns.jpg
And here, he actually lives inside someone's body...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8462/icemandormantiq9.png
He can tranfer his conciousness into anything as long as it has water molecules. Including the water in Storm's body.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
of curse it is. In the forms that he uses. Not a five mile radius instantly.
He has been able to use his powers around everywhere in several miles radius when he froze the entire CELESTIAL ship. His conciousness was everywhere on the ship.
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Originally posted by 2damnloud
You can see water vapor, even. Storm can see atoms and electrons. Lightning strikes, he's vapor, then turned into some other lighter element all in one fell swoop. Or, the lightning could actually do both--Turn him from one state of matter(liquid/vapor instanty) to another to...... to another etc.
And seeing as Iceman can turn ice from one state of matter to another instantly, and has been doing it FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR more times then Storm has, and far longer, and thus, is far more experienced, Storm isn't going to beat him in his own game.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He'd be gone.That's thing about only being able to exist as one element and fighting someone who can control it and break it down atomically and moleculary with one maneuver😐
Maneuver that takes far longer then it would take Iceman to make one single thought, and which can't really be used feasibly in this situation, and which would require her to take out the water in her own body too.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yeah, and there she is surrounded by water. All she has to do is to create constant current of electricity around herself. In here, she needs to directly target Iceman. He could be anywhere. In her body. In her blood. Behind her. In the water in the ground. And electrolysis is created by constant current of electricity. She's not going to be able to create a constant current of electricity in every water molecule at large radius before Iceman simply freezes one small part of his brain.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He'd be dead.
Nah.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
See above: "one fell swoop"
She's going to locate Iceman/take out every single water molecule in the radius in "one fell swoop"?
😂
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It said absolute zero so......😬
"Virtually absolute zero" is not the same thing, and the cold around them defenitely wasn't. Otherwise neither of them would not be able to breathe with the air molecules around them frozen in place.
Storm can't even survive in space without protection, she is going to die in absolute zero, and in lesser temperatures too.
AND ICEMAN WASN'T DIRECTING HIS ATTACK AT STORM!
It's not the same thing.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
All motion doesn't even stop at absolute zero.
It does. That is why it is called "absolute zero". The particles have zero energy, thus, they stop.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What's to stop Storm from emersing herself in a purely electrical field? He wouldn't be able to freeze her then.
Yeahbuhwhat? "Purely electrical field" doesn't do anything against MATTER MANIPULATING
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can create lightning with the snap of her finger and out of the clear blue sky.
And Iceman can freeze things with the snap of his finger too.
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Originally posted by 2damnloud
They both can happen in tandem. Electricity seperates H2O.
Constant current of electricity.
And having hit with such huge energy as lightning causes, his molecules are all over the place. As we know, that doesn't hurt Iceman at all...
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But would make it far harder for Storm to find him. Especially when Iceman can exist in any water molecule there is, including the ones in Storm's body.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
As does Iceman.
But he needs far less thoughts then Storm does. Just one. Like this:
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenn41p143oa.jpg
Let me spell it to you. It takes far more time for storm to separate all the water molecules in the vicinity then Iceman to make one thought.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Would destroying the water even do anything? When Iceman transforms he kind of physically dies and lives as a disembodied mind. I don't think there's much you can do to that.
It wouldn't. Even if all the water would be gone, his mind would be there, he just couldn't apply it to anything before there was water to use.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was melted in the lake. He used the lake to create a body for himself.He WAS the lake. His conciousness was inside it.
And here, he uses his enemy's moisture to create himself a body, thus, transferring his conciousness into that water...
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/6134/iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7682/iceman32ns.jpgAnd here, he actually lives inside someone's body...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8462/icemandormantiq9.pngHe can tranfer his conciousness into anything as long as it has water molecules. Including the water in Storm's body.
Again, I see nothing about consciouenss and molecules. All I see is someone who can exist as solid, liquid, and vapor.
Storm can control tons of water vapor. More vapor than he could ever spread his "consciousness" to before he's hydrogen.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Above_the_Clouds.jpg
I really don't think he can really do anything to a character than can control the water cycle among many other things on an atomic/sub-atomic scale.
I'm also waiting to see a scan of him just existing as a disembodied mind after his solid, liquid, and vapor form had been destroyed(essentially broken down into lighter elements).
Not like the sentinels. He was merely turned into vapor, which, as I said, he can exist as.
He can't exist as hydrogen alone, he can't exist as oxygen alone, he can't exist as helium alone.
As for people saying storm has any chance to even tickle Superman, thats just ridiculous.
He could sit there and do his taxes while storm tried everything she can, it wouldn't matter. She will never get a win over him short of God himself coming down and stripping away his powers and then allowing her to fight him. Superman is in an entirely different league.
Lightning? Supes has survived magical lightning bolts from Captain Marvel and Shazam himself with little to no damage. He is much less resistant to magical attacks than he is to normal ones. So it shouldn't be too hard to guess how he'll treat regular lightning.
Lets travel to the fantasy world where her lightning can hurt him. He could very well dodge it if he had to. Or just use his speed to neutralize her before she uses her powers. He doesnt need to be bloodlusted to do this. I'm not saying he is going to speedblitz her and tear her in half, just simply incapacitate her.
Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
As for people saying storm has any chance to even tickle Superman, thats just ridiculous.He could sit there and do his taxes while storm tried everything she can, it wouldn't matter. She will never get a win over him short of God himself coming down and stripping away his powers and then allowing her to fight him. Superman is in an entirely different league.
Lightning? Supes has survived magical lightning bolts from Captain Marvel and Shazam himself with little to no damage. He is much less resistant to magical attacks than he is to normal ones. So it shouldn't be too hard to guess how he'll treat regular lightning.
Lets travel to the fantasy world where her lightning can hurt him. He could very well dodge it if he had to. Or just use his speed to neutralize her before she uses her powers. He doesnt need to be bloodlusted to do this. I'm not saying he is going to speedblitz her and tear her in half, just simply incapacitate her.
he can't even survive an electron-ripping scream froim bb😬
Storm rips his arua and lights that ass up for a few wins.
She's wrenched electrons from Stardust.
He'd still win he majority of course🙄
Originally posted by 2damnloud
he can't even survive an electron-ripping scream froim bb😬Storm rips his arua and lights that ass up for a few wins.
She's wrenched electrons from Stardust.
He'd still win he majority of course🙄
First of all, you know that the aura thing hasn't been mentioned in his new origin story right? Superman doesn't rely on an aura anymore, he's invulnerable down to a cellular level.
Second of all, a mere whisper from BB is capable of KO'ing the hulk. Not being able to survive a full on scream of an attack of that caliber isn't a bad thing.
Im sorry but, storm wrenching electrons from Stardust is flat out bad writing. If anything, maybe it might be due to whatever substance stardust is made of. But all in all I tend to take that as a ridiculously high end showing that stands alone from her normal consistent power levels.
It'd be different if storm had a history of treating heralds of galactus like this, but she doesn't. So to treat it as anything other than bad writing is insane.
Basically, you using that feat is like me using Spidermans defeat of firelord as an actual feat.
Originally posted by WizeJudgeWilder
solar wind >Iceman
Yea, that too.
Or she could just rain down a focused beam of Gamma radiation and high energy particles form the magnetosphere/ionosphere and just f.uck him overshocklaugh
Storm is just too powerful and VARIED in her attacks, plus she constrols what he is--water. This includes high amounts of water vapor(clouds), humidity(no humidity.... no water vapor), electricity(electrcity seperates water at the atomic/molecular level). With one move she can turn him into vapor then do whatever she needs to do.😐
Originally posted by 2damnloud
he can't even survive an electron-ripping scream froim bb😬Storm rips his arua and lights that ass up for a few wins.
She's wrenched electrons from Stardust.
He'd still win he majority of course🙄
Do you have any f*cking idea how fast Superman is? ANY idea?
In the time that it takes for the signal in Storm's brain to travel, he could fly to the other end of the freaking solar system and come back, TEN TIMES, and STILL have enough time to rip Storm's head off her shoulders and kick it to the freaking Jupiter.
Not to mention that Storm couldn't just rip his aura away, and it wouldn't matter. Superman is invunerable down to the cellular level.
Superman beats her ass 10/10. WAY too fast and WAY too durable for Storm.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Do you have any f*cking idea how fast Superman is? ANY idea?In the time that it takes for the signal in Storm's brain to travel, he could fly to the other end of the freaking solar system and come back, TEN TIMES, and STILL have enough time to rip Storm's head off her shoulders and kick it to the freaking Jupiter.
Not to mention that Storm couldn't just rip his aura away, and it wouldn't matter. Superman is invunerable down to the cellular level.
Superman beats her ass 10/10. WAY too fast and WAY too durable for Storm.
😆 @ you overrating his fighting speed.
Storm get's some wins.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Again, I see nothing about consciouenss and molecules. All I see is someone who can exist as solid, liquid, and vapor.
What do you think solid water, liquid or vapor consist of?
Molecules.
The amount of water has no bearing on if Iceman can exist on it, as long as it is WATER. A single molecule or entire ocean, doesn't matter.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can control tons of water vapor. More vapor than he could ever spread his "consciousness" to before he's hydrogen.
He'll just spread his consciousness in the water on Storm's body then.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Above_the_Clouds.jpgI really don't think he can really do anything to a character than can control the water cycle among many other things on an atomic/sub-atomic scale.
And you are trying to spin the bullshit that he actually has more control over any of these things that Iceman does. Tell me, which one of them has been doing stuff with water cycle far longer time and has been shown to do it far more times?
Hint. It isn't Storm.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I'm also waiting to see a scan of him just existing as a disembodied mind after his solid, liquid, and vapor form had been destroyed(essentially broken down into lighter elements).Not like the sentinels. He was merely turned into vapor, which, as I said, he can exist as.
Because his mind isn't dependant on a certain body of water. He hasn't existed in the same ice for all his life. He can exist in ANY water. As shown in comics many time, his conciousness travels between different bodies of water with ease, which means, that for a moment, his conciousness is without a body of water where to exist.
That means that he can exist without water nearby.
Storm does something to the body of water he is at the moment, that is fine. He can just transfer his conciousness into somewhere.
LIKE IN STORM'S BODY.
Why do you keep dodging that possibility?
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He can't exist as hydrogen alone, he can't exist as oxygen alone, he can't exist as helium alone.
His mind exists. He can't just act unless there is water somewhere. And as Storm is in this battlefield, there is always water where he can go into.
Oh, and his powers work so fast that he can manipulate molecules in such speed that it looks like these ice statues are moving:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8573/uncannyiceman044zi.jpg
So before Storm can even ATTEMPT to separate water into hydrogen or anything, the blood in her body is frozen.
She can't kill Iceman. Iceman can kill her. With ease.
