Originally posted by Superherovandal
You laugh as if you have ANY evidence to support your claims. Quite sad actually
These are all things she has done, or can do based on simple logic.
No evidence has been presented to show that Iceman can spread his consiousness throughout the world.
I forgot, there are no electrons in space an there are no black holes in the Galactic Coredur
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Iceman does not simply "create cold" anyway, he stops the motion of molecules. There is no limit to what molecules he can stop. Hell, he has frozen energy beams. Storm has no way of preventing it in any way.
Also, I love how there are all of a sudden noooooo perameters put on certain characters based on one feat and hyperbole--"I'm apart of everything"🙄
except for Storm😖hifty:
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Again, nothing about him spreading his consciousness throughout the whole world.😬And again, Ororo can channel entire continental-sized blizzards through her body to diffuse them and relax in the Mesosphere(the coldest layer of the atmosphere) where temps can reach -150 and maybe lower.
This shows biological control.
If he could freeze her, I doubt he'd have an easy time.
See that's the thing about controling the weather, her powers enable her to venture into just about every concievable arena of fundemental, and natural forces. This includes kinetic energy, electromagnetism, temperature, water vapor etc etc.
Lightning alone emmits just about every ray in the electromagnetic spectrum.
I say she turns him into a gas and then a plasma.😐
Also storm can sense life essences, so I doubt he could just invade her body without her knowing it.
She can also see matter at the sub-atomic level and/or as pure energy. This includes water vapor😬 She could very well turn him into oxygen, then helium, then hydrogen. Round and round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows shocklaugh
Yes it does. He can spread his conciousness in ANY water molecule on Earth, like the scans. Water on the lake, water inside someone's body, water in the ship, water on shower...
I wasn't saying that his conciousness is everywhere on the planet at the same time, but yes, he can exist in any water molecule on the planet. There is no way that Storm can take him out UNLESS she takes out every single water molecule in the planet.
And she can see matter on sub-atomic level all she wants, Iceman is no different from other vater vapor. She can't see where he is. And again, she has no way of getting rid of Iceman in her own body unless he removes the all water molecules inside her. She can't do that. She evaporates the current body of water he is in? That's alright, he just moves into something else.
And more importantly, all that stuff you said that she will do? She CAN'T do it before Iceman freezes her body to complete absolute zero (doesn't even have to go that far) with one thought. She has NO means of stopping that. And hell, Iceman doesn't even have to stop the molecules within Storm's body. He can just stop the molecular motion of the air around her body. Or the air in her lungs. You see, the thing with Storm is, that she is still restricted by her physical body. She needs to breathe. Iceman doesn't.
Iceman 10/10. There is no working way that Storm can get rid of him for good, while Iceman doesn't even need to directly attack Storm to kill her in one thought.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes it does. He can spread his conciousness in ANY water molecule on Earth, like the scans. Water on the lake, water inside someone's body, water in the ship, water on shower...
Where did it EVER say he spread his consciouness to water molecules?? How do we jump from that small area in the scans, to around the WORLD?? How do we even extrapolate that his psyche is even involved with the water molecules??
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I wasn't saying that his conciousness is everywhere on the planet at the same time, but yes, he can exist in any water molecule on the planet. There is no way that Storm can take him out UNLESS she takes out every single water molecule in the planet.
Well, since his scope isn't that large, only wishfully thought to be, he can be very much centralize especially by one who can control water vapor.😐
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And she can see matter on sub-atomic level all she wants, Iceman is no different from other vater vapor. She can't see where he is. And again, she has no way of getting rid of Iceman in her own body unless he removes the all water molecules inside her. She can't do that. She evaporates the current body of water he is in? That's alright, he just moves into something else.
How do you know she can't see him?? She can sense life essences and specific energy patterns.😐
She also knows the elements in such an empathic way that she would very well see/feel him as he would be an element that she controls(water vapor).
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And more importantly, all that stuff you said that she will do? She CAN'T do it before Iceman freezes her body to complete absolute zero (doesn't even have to go that far) with one thought. She has NO means of stopping that. And hell, Iceman doesn't even have to stop the molecules within Storm's body. He can just stop the molecular motion of the air around her body. Or the air in her lungs. You see, the thing with Storm is, that she is still restricted by her physical body. She needs to breathe. Iceman doesn't.
Storm can fly in Mesosphere for relaxation and channel huge energies within herself with ease. And she also has SUB-ATOMIC control of the elements. Even if he did stop the molecules, Storm could still move them.
He has already lowered the temperature to virtually absolute zero in Inferno and he warned her about it but she wasn't worried because her elemental powers protected her.
What's to stop storm her from ripping hydrogen atoms from the oxygen ones, thus killing Iceman??
What's to stop her from raining down high energy particles from the magnetosphere and turning him into plasma??
Storm's powerset affords her the ability to control the fluidic spectrum. All the states of matter in the elements she can control in one form or another.
She can work her powers instantaneously as well.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Where did it EVER say he spread his consciouness to water molecules?? How do we jump from that small area in the scans, to around the WORLD?? How do we even extrapolate that his psyche is even involved with the water molecules??
Err...
...did you look at the scans?
If you seriously need to ask that if his psyche is involved with the water molecules, you didn't look at them. 🤨
It could not be clearer. When he goes to that lake, his psyche is in it. Hell, he even freezes the guys arm while he IS the lake. And later, as he IS the lake, he makes himself a giant body using that lake.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
And that is just one example.How can you question that his psyche wasn't involved in it? 🤨
[QUOTE=9075127]Originally posted by 2damnloud
[B]Well, since his scope isn't that large, only wishfully thought to be, he can be very much centralize especially by one who can control water vapor.😐
His scope is at any water molecule in the immediate radius. Including the ones in Storm's body.
And Iceman is capable of traving five miles per second around if he wishes. Storm won't be able to trap him.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
How do you know she can't see him?? She can sense life essences and specific energy patterns.😐
Sensing isn't the same thing as specifically pinpointing something's location. And conciousness, last I checked out, isn't a pattern of energy.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She also knows the elements in such an empathic way that she would very well see/feel him as he would be an element that she controls(water vapor).
Doubt it. Unless you can show us her moving at a fine level enough to sense a difference in few water molecules among others.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can fly in Mesosphere for relaxation and channel huge energies within herself with ease. And she also has SUB-ATOMIC control of the elements. Even if he did stop the molecules, Storm could still move them.
Err, no he couldn't. She can't move molecules if her own don't move at all.
Because, you know, she would be DEAD. As a doornail.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He has already lowered the temperature to virtually absolute zero in Inferno and he warned her about it but she wasn't worried because her elemental powers protected her.
In Inferno, the attack was not directed at Storm. The other X-Men were nearby. And in this fight case, Iceman would be concetrate on Storm's molecules directly.
Storm's elemental powers don't protect her against direct matter manipulation in any way.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What's to stop storm her from ripping hydrogen atoms from the oxygen ones, thus killing Iceman??
Her brain being a block of ice?
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What's to stop her from raining down high energy particles from the magnetosphere and turning him into plasma??
Her brain being a block of ice?
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's powerset affords her the ability to control the fluidic spectrum. All the states of matter in the elements she can control in one form or another.
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/fludic
"Fluidic" isn't even a word. "Fluidic spectrum" isn't even a term. Just to notify you.
And could you excatly point me to the instance where Storm manipulates water without the use of manipulating weather patterns?
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She can work her powers instantaneously as well.
Doesn't matter. Nothing that she does will kill Iceman. And as it only takes this long for Iceman to freeze molecules in place:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8627/17rj1.jpg
She won't really be able to do anything severe before she's down.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err......did you look at the scans?
If you seriously need to ask that if his psyche is involved with the water molecules, you didn't look at them. 🤨
It could not be clearer. When he goes to that lake, his psyche is in it. Hell, he even freezes the guys arm while he IS the lake. And later, as he IS the lake, he makes himself a giant body using that lake.
It says nothing about his powers being psionic and/or his consciousness.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
His scope is at any water molecule in the immediate radius. Including the ones in Storm's body.And Iceman is capable of traving five miles per second around if he wishes. Storm won't be able to trap him.
Storm can affect the elements on a global scale. She'll be able to trap him.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSensing isn't the same thing as specifically pinpointing something's location. And conciousness, last I checked out, isn't a pattern of energy.
It's debateable whether consciousness is energy.
She doesn't have to pinpoint him as soon as the match starts lightning falls at 93,000 miles per second, he's melted and turned into vapor easily, then the compnents of water vapor are psionically broken down.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerDoubt it. Unless you can show us her moving at a fine level enough to sense a difference in few water molecules among others.
She's siphoned specific hydrogen atoms in space and made breathable oxygen out of water with electricity/fission.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerErr, no he couldn't. She can't move molecules if her own don't move at all.
He's vapor on his way to being atomically seperated.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because, you know, she would be DEAD. As a doornail.
See above post.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIn Inferno, the attack was not directed at Storm. The other X-Men were nearby. And in this fight case, Iceman would be concetrate on Storm's molecules directly.
It doesn't matter, she was holding him. He even warned her because she was in close enough vicinity to be affected. Even the X-men on the ground were affected even though they were far away. He lowered the temps to absolute zero.
The fact that he needs to concentrate on her molecules is a disadvantage.
Storm's attack that will take out bobby happen in a spit second.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerhttp://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/fludic
"Fluidic" isn't even a word. "Fluidic spectrum" isn't even a term. Just to notify you.
And could you excatly point me to the instance where Storm manipulates water without the use of manipulating weather patterns?
It's a word.http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861674256/fluidic.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mechanics
It was fluid mechanics.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Doesn't matter. Nothing that she does will kill Iceman. And as it only takes this long for Iceman to freeze molecules in place:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8627/17rj1.jpgShe won't really be able to do anything severe before she's down.
What does he have to do with Ororo??
Iceman would probably be vapor on his way to being something else.
Lightning is faster than thought.
He'd be helium before he could do anything.😐
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It says nothing about his powers being psionic and/or his consciousness.
Wha...what? You don't think that Iceman's power is psionic? 🤨
And you don't believe that his conciousness is in the forms that he uses? 🤨
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can affect the elements on a global scale. She'll be able to trap him.
So you believe that she'll be able to trap a mass of water molecules which can't be regocnized from every other water molecule in the world, that moves at very high speeds.
Okkkk.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's debateable whether consciousness is energy.
I reaaaaally don't think it is.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She doesn't have to pinpoint him as soon as the match starts lightning falls at 93,000 miles per second, he's melted and turned into vapor easily, then the compnents of water vapor are psionically broken down.
Pfft. He'll just go somewhere else. Like in Storm's body. Nothing she can do to stop that.
Can you show where Storm breaks down single molecules in the matter of seconds, by the way? As far as I can remember, it took her more then just a second to collect stray hydrogen atoms in space...I would imagine it would take far longer for her to first find where Drake's conciousness is, or to separate ALL the atoms in about five mile radius.
Including herself apparently, since Iceman can just go to the water molecules in her body.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She's siphoned specific hydrogen atoms in space and made breathable oxygen out of water with electricity/fission.
Alright.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He's vapor on his way to being atomically seperated.
Nothing stops him just going into Storm's body. What takes longer, Storm separating all atoms in the vicinity, or one thought from Iceman?
Originally posted by 2damnloud
See above post.
You see mine.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It doesn't matter, she was holding him. He even warned her because she was in close enough vicinity to be affected. Even the X-men on the ground were affected even though they were far away. He lowered the temps to absolute zero.
It does matter. Iceman did not focus on the atoms on Storm and froze them in place, he was just creating cold temperatures in the vicinity of Storm. Trying to claim that it was the same thing is simply stupid.
And no, it wasn't absolute zero. If it had been, ALL molecular motion would have stopped into standstill in the area...they didn't.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
IThe fact that he needs to concentrate on her molecules is a disadvantage.
Doesn't take any more concentration then for Storm to use her powers. Hell, he just needs to concentrate on one small area. Her heart. Her brain. The air in her lungs. It'll take second or two. He has been doing this since he was fifteen. It doesn't take him very long to freeze one small thing.
Much less time then it would take for Storm to separate all the hydrogen atoms in the air.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's attack that will take out bobby happen in a spit second.
Lightning, maybe, but the atom separation thingy? No.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's a word.http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861674256/fluidic.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mechanics
It was fluid mechanics.
Okay, then.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What does he have to do with Ororo??
The result of getting into fight with Iceman will be the same for both. ✅
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Iceman would probably be vapor on his way to being something else.
So? He can exist as vapor.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Lightning is faster than thought.
Storm needs to think about lightning before it happens.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He'd be helium before he could do anything.😐
Err, no. Storm won't have the time to start separating molecules before her blood is filled with ice spikes.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wha...what? You don't think that Iceman's power is psionic? 🤨
It doesn't say that.
Of course I believe he uses his mind to do things as far as cognition, but not specialized telekenesis.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And you don't believe that his conciousness is in the forms that he uses? 🤨
Of curse it is. In the forms that he uses. Not a five mile radius instantly.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So you believe that she'll be able to trap a mass of water molecules which can't be regocnized from every other water molecule in the world, that moves at very high speeds.
You can see water vapor, even. Storm can see atoms and electrons. Lightning strikes, he's vapor, then turned into some other lighter element all in one fell swoop. Or, the lightning could actually do both--Turn him from one state of matter(liquid/vapor instanty) to another to...... to another etc.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerPfft. He'll just go somewhere else. Like in Storm's body. Nothing she can do to stop that.
He'd be gone.
That's thing about only being able to exist as one element and fighting someone who can control it and break it down atomically and moleculary with one maneuver😐
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can you show where Storm breaks down single molecules in the matter of seconds, by the way? As far as I can remember, it took her more then just a second to collect stray hydrogen atoms in space...I would imagine it would take far longer for her to first find where Drake's conciousness is, or to separate ALL the atoms in about five mile radius.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[QUOTE=9075749]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]Including herself apparently, since Iceman can just go to the water molecules in her body.
He'd be dead.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerNothing stops him just going into Storm's body. What takes longer, Storm separating all atoms in the vicinity, or one thought from Iceman?
See above: "one fell swoop"
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIt does matter. Iceman did not focus on the atoms on Storm and froze them in place, he was just creating cold temperatures in the vicinity of Storm. Trying to claim that it was the same thing is simply stupid.
And no, it wasn't absolute zero. If it had been, ALL molecular motion would have stopped into standstill in the area...they didn't.
It said absolute zero so......😬
All motion doesn't even stop at absolute zero.
What's to stop Storm from emersing herself in a purely electrical field? He wouldn't be able to freeze her then.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Doesn't take any more concentration then for Storm to use her powers. Hell, he just needs to concentrate on one small area. Her heart. Her brain. The air in her lungs. It'll take second or two. He has been doing this since he was fifteen. It doesn't take him very long to freeze one small thing.
Storm can create lightning with the snap of her finger and out of the clear blue sky.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerLightning, maybe, but the atom separation thingy? No.
They both can happen in tandem. Electricity seperates H2O.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerStorm needs to think about lightning before it happens.
As does Iceman.
