Originally posted by Lucid LuiFanboyism. Like where they seem to get most of their info.
Where do you get this from. Aquaman's actually highly resistant to extreme temperatures.
Oh look here's Storm flying above the scene and decides to make a grand enterance by shooting a lightning bolt down and flying down to where it struck.
Fanboy: "Oh she turned into lightning to fly there!"
Here she takes a couple of minutes to use a jetstream to boost her to jet speeds.
Fanboy: "She can make her winds anyspeed she wants!"
etcetera etcetera
Even better:
RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?
Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.
Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."
Fanboy: "OMG STORM IS EQUAL TO FULL PHOENIX FORCE!!"
(Despite the fact that Claremont clearly says that Storm can only equal Phoenix because her power is limited)
(And Phoenix can peak higher anyway)
(And the interview is non-canon)
(And it was made in 1979, when the whole idea of Phoenix Force or Dark Phoenix hadn't even appeared in comics. And Claremont is referring to the incarnation that ran out of power against Magneto.)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Even better:RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?
Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.
Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."
Fanboy: "OMG STORM IS EQUAL TO FULL PHOENIX FORCE!!"
(Despite the fact that Claremont clearly says that Storm can only equal Phoenix because her power is limited)
(And Phoenix can peak higher anyway)
(And the interview is non-canon)
(And it was made in 1979, when the whole idea of Phoenix Force or Dark Phoenix hadn't even appeared in comics. And Claremont is referring to the incarnation that ran out of power against Magneto.)
Shut the **** up. 😆
You don't want me to talk about you and Namor's "escape velocity" flight speed.😘
Claremont hasn't answered me on the interview, most likely because he doesn't have control over the character "Storm" anymore. 😘
Originally posted by Creshosk
Fanboyism. Like where they seem to get most of their info.Oh look here's Storm flying above the scene and decides to make a grand enterance by shooting a lightning bolt down and flying down to where it struck.
Fanboy: "Oh she turned into lightning to fly there!"
Here she takes a couple of minutes to use a jetstream to boost her to jet speeds.
Fanboy: "She can make her winds anyspeed she wants!"
etcetera etcetera
You're so goddamn dumb.😆
She was IN the bolt.
She also flew as lightning as Roguestorm.
And her speed likened to a "jet" could've been anywhere between 500 and 2300 mph(being the fastest jet).
It's as fast as she wants and/or needs, or as quickly as needed.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Shut the **** up. 😆You don't want me to talk about you and Namor's "escape velocity" flight speed.😘
Time frame (seconds) and distance given. There was nothing to be disputed. You don't want to start that bullshit again because you know that I will own you. Again. 😄
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Claremont hasn't answered me on the interview, most likely because he doesn't have control over the character "Storm" anymore. 😘
So?
We can clearly see what that interview says.
she can peak higher than Storm
but she can't hold it for long
Why ask for more when the proof is right in front of your eyes. Storm is only equal to the incarnation that ran out of power against Magneto. Because no other incarnations were present at the time of interview. 🙂
Of course, if you are so sure of yourself, you could always show me a comic where Storm equals the power of full Phoenix Force. That's all you need to do. So, why haven't you? 🤨
Oh that's right. I think you and me both know the answer to that one. 😂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Time frame (seconds) and distance given. There was nothing to be disputed. You don't want to start that bullshit again because you know that I will own you. Again. 😄
You don't even know how much of the work he was actually doing.
Show him ascending out of the Earth's gravity let's say..............BY HIS OWN POWER. 😄
😆
On Storm and Electrons
Wow, okay, I read through this whole darn thing trying to be understanding through the first TWENTY-EIGHT PAGES, but I finally ran out of steam--hopefully I haven't missed too much.
First off, I want to say I like Storm, I really do. I like that she's a powerhouse of the X-men, that she has a strong character and a great background. At the same time....Some of you guys really HAVE to STOP. She's powerful. She IS NOT actually a goddess. Nor is she Omega-level. Sure, some writers have suggested she's close, but it's never been said in comics. Until then, she loses to Iceman, and DEFINITELY to the Silver Surfer. Hell, she gets whupped on by Thor, who IS a God.
And I know this isn't canon, but seeing as how a while back, people were using wikipedia, I figure Marvel's website is as good as a guidebook, at least, and I found some bits that might be interesting:
"Storm’s control over the atmosphere is such that she can create certain effects over a specific area while shielding smaller areas within that region. For example, she can create a rainstorm around herself but prevent the raindrops from touching her. Storm can also create atmospheric phenomena over very small areas, such as creating a rainstorm small enough to water a single potted plant.
Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. For example, she can end a drought in one area by creating torrential rains there, but that would necessitate robbing all available moisture from the surrounding areas. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on. For example, Storm is unable to lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities on Earth.
The limit to the size of the area over which Storm can manipulate the weather is not yet known. However, she once diverted the jet stream so as to create storms over the entire East Coast of the United States. She can create weather effects within indoor areas or within artificially maintained environments. Storm is limited by the force of her will and the strength of her body. It once took her several hours to stop a savage blizzard sweeping over much of Canada, and she nearly died from exhaustion in the process.
Storm is able to fly by creating winds strong enough to support her weight, the weight of others, and to propel her forward through the air. Storm can thus travel as fast as any wind can, and has reached speeds up to 300 miles per hour. Her powers over the atmosphere enable her to breathe at any speed, protect her from air friction, and grant her limited immunity to extreme heat and cold.
Storm is also able to alter her visual perception so as to perceive electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for existing meteorological phenomena in her surrounding environment.
Storm's ability to manipulate the weather in her immediate vicinity is affected by her emotions; hence, if she does not maintain control, a fit of rage might induce a destructive storm. Storm also suffers from severe claustrophobia. " (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Storm)
So yeah, she can certainly perceive electrical energy patterns, and all that, giving her a type of second sight. Very nice, and useful in a lot of ways that 2damnloud mentioned.
On the other hand, it's pretty specific that Storm CANNOT create conditions which do not exist NATURALLY--basically showing that flying at 45,000,000 miles an hour, or creating UNBELIEVABLY HOT LIGHTNING aren't within her purview. Seems pretty clear Supes takes her down fairly hard, especially if he can fly her up into a vacuum where he can survive, and she can't.
Oh, and one more thing. I noticed that 2damn has a nasty habit of repeating this comment about how "no electrons exist in space".... While it's true that stars, planets, and other forms of matter are in space, and therefore do have electrons, I think the whole point of the comment was that electrons don't exist in a vacuum--which they don't. Electrons are a form of matter, and by definition, do not exist in a vacuum--so if you're wondering how electro-magnetic radiation passes through space, it's because no electrons are involved. Electro-magnetic radiation is the transfer of ENERGY, not MASS, through perpendicular waves forms with electric and magnetic components--the whole reason they're special is because it's a type of wave which CAN pass through a vacuum--unlike sound, or heat, or electricity. Check out wikipedia if you don't believe me "EM radiation carries energy and momentum, which may be imparted when it hits matter." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation) Now admittedly, there is a very, very sparse spread of particles in space, but there are so few of them, that it can basically be thought of as nearly a pure vacuum--and thus, as far as the possibility of an electrical current or lightning being effective in space, Storm's pretty useless. (This is why the need for ridiculous PIS involving "solar wind."
My basic points are: Storm's damn powerful, but really not capable of taking on the higher ups on this list, ESPECIALLY Iceman, and, god forbid, the Silver Surfer. She just doesn't have the durability, or the power, which is why she works in a team.
Second point: For all practical purposes, there are no electrons in space--DURRRHH.
Re: The Almighty STORM Runs the Guntlet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Hitman911i cant believe you put iceman at almost the top 😆
Ororo's at full Power before each fight!! This is the MOST POWERFUL version of Storm. LET GO!!!!1. Marrow
2. Spider-Man
3. Wolverine
4. Batman and Robin
5. Aquaman
5. Colossus & Night Crawler
6. Grey Hulk
7. Thor (current)
8. Superman
9. IceMan (current)
10. Silver SurferTO THE DEATH!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Re: The Almighty STORM Runs the Guntlet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by spidey-dude
i cant believe you put iceman at almost the top 😆
Heh, I can't believe Iceman's Omega-level now either, I think it's pretty awful for the character.... 😕 But he is, and that pretty much makes him worthy of being near the top. Although I still think Thor and Supes are pretty darn close....
Re: On Storm and Electrons
Originally posted by harlequin115
Wow, okay, I read through this whole darn thing trying to be understanding through the first TWENTY-EIGHT PAGES, but I finally ran out of steam--hopefully I haven't missed too much.First off, I want to say I like Storm, I really do. I like that she's a powerhouse of the X-men, that she has a strong character and a great background. At the same time....Some of you guys really HAVE to STOP. She's powerful. She IS NOT actually a goddess. Nor is she Omega-level. Sure, some writers have suggested she's close, but it's never been said in comics. Until then, she loses to Iceman, and DEFINITELY to the Silver Surfer. Hell, she gets whupped on by Thor, who IS a God.
And I know this isn't canon, but seeing as how a while back, people were using wikipedia, I figure Marvel's website is as good as a guidebook, at least, and I found some bits that might be interesting:
"Storm’s control over the atmosphere is such that she can create certain effects over a specific area while shielding smaller areas within that region. For example, she can create a rainstorm around herself but prevent the raindrops from touching her. Storm can also create atmospheric phenomena over very small areas, such as creating a rainstorm small enough to water a single potted plant.
Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. For example, she can end a drought in one area by creating torrential rains there, but that would necessitate robbing all available moisture from the surrounding areas. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on. For example, Storm is unable to lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities on Earth.
The limit to the size of the area over which Storm can manipulate the weather is not yet known. However, she once diverted the jet stream so as to create storms over the entire East Coast of the United States. She can create weather effects within indoor areas or within artificially maintained environments. Storm is limited by the force of her will and the strength of her body. It once took her several hours to stop a savage blizzard sweeping over much of Canada, and she nearly died from exhaustion in the process.
Storm is able to fly by creating winds strong enough to support her weight, the weight of others, and to propel her forward through the air. Storm can thus travel as fast as any wind can, and has reached speeds up to 300 miles per hour. Her powers over the atmosphere enable her to breathe at any speed, protect her from air friction, and grant her limited immunity to extreme heat and cold.
Storm is also able to alter her visual perception so as to perceive electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for existing meteorological phenomena in her surrounding environment.
Storm's ability to manipulate the weather in her immediate vicinity is affected by her emotions; hence, if she does not maintain control, a fit of rage might induce a destructive storm. Storm also suffers from severe claustrophobia. " (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Storm)
So yeah, she can certainly perceive electrical energy patterns, and all that, giving her a type of second sight. Very nice, and useful in a lot of ways that 2damnloud mentioned.
On the other hand, it's pretty specific that Storm CANNOT create conditions which do not exist NATURALLY--basically showing that flying at 45,000,000 miles an hour, or creating UNBELIEVABLY HOT LIGHTNING aren't within her purview. Seems pretty clear Supes takes her down fairly hard, especially if he can fly her up into a vacuum where he can survive, and she can't.
Oh, and one more thing. I noticed that 2damn has a nasty habit of repeating this comment about how "no electrons exist in space".... While it's true that stars, planets, and other forms of matter are in space, and therefore do have electrons, I think the whole point of the comment was that electrons don't exist in a vacuum--which they don't. Electrons are a form of matter, and by definition, do not exist in a vacuum--so if you're wondering how electro-magnetic radiation passes through space, it's because no electrons are involved. Electro-magnetic radiation is the transfer of ENERGY, not MASS, through perpendicular waves forms with electric and magnetic components--the whole reason they're special is because it's a type of wave which CAN pass through a vacuum--unlike sound, or heat, or electricity. Check out wikipedia if you don't believe me "EM radiation carries energy and momentum, which may be imparted when it hits matter." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation) Now admittedly, there is a very, very sparse spread of particles in space, but there are so few of them, that it can basically be thought of as nearly a pure vacuum--and thus, as far as the possibility of an electrical current or lightning being effective in space, Storm's pretty useless. (This is why the need for ridiculous PIS involving "solar wind."
My basic points are: Storm's damn powerful, but really not capable of taking on the higher ups on this list, ESPECIALLY Iceman, and, god forbid, the Silver Surfer. She just doesn't have the durability, or the power, which is why she works in a team.
Second point: For all practical purposes, there are no electrons in space--DURRRHH.
Since you weren't ignorant about it I'll say:
Thanx for your input but you're misnformed.
I've covered all of that at one point or another so...
Thanx anyway.
My argument for Iceman's defeat is a real one.
He can control moisture but he cannot "create" moisture.
Storm creates a drought by robbing the surrounding area of all moisture (as stated in her marvel file). Combined with air superiority, better fighting skills, better tactics, lightning and sweltering suppression winds (tornadoes and down bursts). I don't see how Iceman is much of a threat.
That being said, what is his effective range of control?
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
My argument for Iceman's defeat is a real one.He can control moisture but he cannot "create" moisture.
Storm creates a drought by robbing the surrounding area of all moisture (as stated in her marvel file). Combined with air superiority, better fighting skills, better tactics, lightning and sweltering suppression winds (tornadoes and down bursts). I don't see how Iceman is much of a threat.
That being said, what is his effective range of control?
Are you serious?!?!?!? Iceman is to thermal manipulation as Mags to metal. He can freeze the blood in her brain......or the air in her lungs...like harlequin said, Storm fights on a team.....as this point Iceman doesn't need one. Bobby 8/10
Originally posted by 2damnloudProve it.. it doesn't say she traveled as lightning.
You're so goddamn dumb.😆She was IN the bolt.
Originally posted by 2damnloudNot regular Storm.
She also flew as lightning as Roguestorm.
Originally posted by 2damnloudAverage Jet speed sounds about right. ~581. You have concrete proof of anything else? Nope, you don't.
And her speed likened to a "jet" could've been anywhere between 500 and 2300 mph(being the fastest jet).
Originally posted by 2damnloudFanboy speculation nothing more.
It's as fast as she wants and/or needs, or as quickly as needed.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it.. it doesn't say she traveled as lightning.
It was commented on being wider than normal. She was in it when it came down. She flew as lightning. DEAL. 😄
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not regular Storm.
It doesn't have to be.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Average Jet speed sounds about right. ~581. You have concrete proof of anything else? Nope, you don't.
It can be anywhere in between.--Average to faster. We know it was comparable to a "jet", that is all.
She also went from the Coober Peedy region in cental Australia to past Tasmania in mere minutes.
By the time Madelyne Prior vectored her path and said she was past Melbourne she was already passing Tasmania as Madelyne was speaking on her way to Antarctica.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Fanboy speculation nothing more.
Nope, canon.