The Almighty STORM Runs the Guntlet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
No water = nowhere for his consciousness to go once the main body is destroyed.

Think Azazel in "Fallen"

There is no "main body" for Iceman. ANY water is his. He hasn't used the same body for years. If she'll destroy the water from given area, he will just go somewhere else. And you are aware that if Storm destroys all the water from the area, she will die? Because in order to stop Iceman from entering any water, she'll also have to destroy the water in her own body...

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
This assumes that his thoughts are faster than hers.

Please keep in mind that Storm flies like Bobby covers himself in ice during a fight.

Flight is almost 2nd nature to Storm. It could be argued that she flies on instinct at this point in her career, and doesn't take much of a thought to get airborne.

And freezing things is a second nature for Iceman who has done it since he was about fifteen. He's able to freeze storm before she is able to act to destroy.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
shocklaugh @ freezing energy with no molecules. Plus the heat would negate this even at abosolute zero.

They give people the stupidest ****in powers.

Bobby dies he's still insta plasma.😐

The Stranger thing was PIS. Stranger can control matter at the atomic/sub-atomic level. That uppercuts Bobby's powers big time. Iceman beat the Stranger in that story and doesn't even have a powerset where he can realistically combat an antagonist of the Stranger's level. The Stranger can fight Galactus and easily beat the Silver Surfer.

What I don't understand is how people here can go with this kind of stupidity so easily yet in Storm's case, they want to rob the character of powers that she has displayed and fits her powerset.

Also, Storm has the ability to control moisture herself and she can do this in far greater volume than Bobby. She should be able to resist this attack. Bobby's powers are very, very simple. Moisture control and heat absorption. That's it. Storm can do that plus a whole host of other things many of which uppercut his powers and on a far greater scale.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The Stranger thing was PIS. Stranger can control matter at the atomic/sub-atomic level. That uppercuts Bobby's powers big time. Iceman beat the Stranger in that story and doesn't even have a powerset where he can realistically combat an antagonist of the Stranger's level. The Stranger can fight Galactus and easily beat the Silver Surfer.

What I don't understand is how people here can go with this kind of stupidity so easily yet in Storm's case, they want to rob the character of powers that she has displayed and fits her powerset.

Also, Storm has the ability to control moisture herself and she can do this in far greater volume than Bobby. She should be able to resist this attack. Bobby's powers are very, very simple. Moisture control and heat absorption. That's it. Storm can do that plus a whole host of other things many of which uppercut his powers and on a far greater scale.

But that under Bpbby's avalanche of truth.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Lightning turns the very air in it's path into plasma. He's palsma.

So, all that will do is to destroy the water he is currently in. He'll jsut go somewhere else.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Until some scans of a actually disembodied "consciouness" with reagard to molecules is presented, I don't see it.

Eery time he changes body, his conciousness transfers from another water to other.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Who's to say his essentially psionic attack can't be blocked by an electrical field??

Because there is nothing in comics that would insinuate that? Electrical field doesn't protect you from matter manipulation.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Who sai it would even work on Ororo's physiology. She's NEVR been frozen. He molecules wouldn't even respond.

Please. Storm is only immune to temperatures. Iceman isn't going to create cold around her, he is going to attack her MOLECULES itself. Stop them from moving. Her molecules are not immune against matter manipulation. The Stranger is a cosmic being who can easily survive in space (Storm can't btw), but that sure as hell didn't stop Iceman from freezing him in one second.
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Originally posted by 2damnloud
She can do this, remember:

Before Iceman was even THOUGHT ABOUT:

He stands NO CHANCE against the goddess.

The average cloud weighs around a millions of TONS!

Storm psionically moves that amount of WATER VAPOR on the REGULAR.

That's enough water vapor for >>>>>>>>>> 5 mile radius.

Is she also going to take out the water in her own body? 🙂

And she obviously moves those clouds with winds. Not with some telekinetic ability.

Wow, you CAN'T be serious.

She moves the clouds WITH WINDS??!?!?!

SHOCKLAUGH

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
There is no "main body" for Iceman. ANY water is his. He hasn't used the same body for years. If she'll destroy the water from given area, he will just go somewhere else. And you are aware that if Storm destroys all the water from the area, she will die? Because in order to stop Iceman from entering any water, she'll also have to destroy the water in her own body...

And freezing things is a second nature for Iceman who has done it since he was about fifteen. He's able to freeze storm before she is able to act to destroy.

We can chalk this up to mis communication.

You seem to think that Storm will be in range of his water manipultion.

Storm can sit safely in the sky far above Iceman, and out of his reach.

She can keep her water in her body. Becuase he can't get to her body.

This is like Lewis vs. Hollyfeild Storm uses the reach to her advantage, pumleing Iceman into frustraion and utter defeat with jabs and a few well placed power shots.

He cannot stop her from getting airborne.

And if fighters are at their best, And Bobby starts in ice form, then Storm should be hovering to begin with. If not out right flying.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Even better:

RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."

Fanboy: "OMG STORM IS EQUAL TO FULL PHOENIX FORCE!!"

(Despite the fact that Claremont clearly says that Storm can only equal Phoenix because her power is limited)

(And Phoenix can peak higher anyway)

(And the interview is non-canon)

(And it was made in 1979, when the whole idea of Phoenix Force or Dark Phoenix hadn't even appeared in comics. And Claremont is referring to the incarnation that ran out of power against Magneto.)

You bring up the incarnation that ran out of power against MAgneto, right? Guess what? I know my canon much better than you know yours. Phoenix (like Storm) is enormously powerful. Her powers fluctuated. Prior to fighting Magneto, Phoenix defeated Firelord, a herald of Galactus, in an earlier arc. She was obviously written down for Magneto since Magneto is not powerful on a cosmic scale (or even a global scale without a machine). Storm has suffered the same thing herself. She frequently displays higher levels of power than Magneto in non-Magneto stories, then when Magneto shows up, she is not written as strong so Magneto can be a threat. Well, that's the 90s. In the 80s, when they fought, Storm always held back or certain aspects of her powers were ignored for Magneto to get the win.

That said, Magneto is negligible here. The fact is Phoenix against Magneto was not Phoenix's normal power. Before that, she beat the Firelord. After that, she gave Proteus a run for his money. Storm was able to control the ecosystem on a vast scale and could even control cosmic forces. Both of their powers were tempered by their humanity. Strip that away, and either one of them had near-infinite power bubbling just underneath. The power proved to be too much for JEan, but the stronger willed Ororo could handle it and turn it down when she saw it was going to be destructive.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The Stranger thing was PIS. Stranger can control matter at the atomic/sub-atomic level. That uppercuts Bobby's powers big time. Iceman beat the Stranger in that story and doesn't even have a powerset where he can realistically combat an antagonist of the Stranger's level. The Stranger can fight Galactus and easily beat the Silver Surfer.

And Iceman's powers were clearly enough to freeze his molecules in place. He is an Omega mutant after all. Stranger still has molecules.

Cry all you want, it happened.

And since you use every single feat Storm has, despite her never doing some of them more then once, in similar situation or in battle situation, I can do the same.

You don't want to be a hypocrite, do you? 😱

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Is she also going to take out the water in her own body? 🙂

And she obviously moves those clouds with winds. Not with some telekinetic ability.

Why would she take the water out of her own body. Just resist Iceman is all.

Also, she moves clouds because she can control moisture, etc. She does't have to manipulate them through winds. She controls them directly.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You bring up the incarnation that ran out of power against MAgneto, right? Guess what? I know my canon much better than you know yours. Phoenix (like Storm) is enormously powerful. Her powers fluctuated. Prior to fighting Magneto, Phoenix defeated Firelord, a herald of Galactus, in an earlier arc. She was obviously written down for Magneto since Magneto is not powerful on a cosmic scale (or even a global scale without a machine). Storm has suffered the same thing herself. She frequently displays higher levels of power than Magneto in non-Magneto stories, then when Magneto shows up, she is not written as strong so Magneto can be a threat. Well, that's the 90s. In the 80s, when they fought, Storm always held back or certain aspects of her powers were ignored for Magneto to get the win.

That said, Magneto is negligible here. The fact is Phoenix against Magneto was not Phoenix's normal power. Before that, she beat the Firelord. After that, she gave Proteus a run for his money. Storm was able to control the ecosystem on a vast scale and could even control cosmic forces. Both of their powers were tempered by their humanity. Strip that away, and either one of them had near-infinite power bubbling just underneath. The power proved to be too much for JEan, but the stronger willed Ororo could handle it and turn it down when she saw it was going to be destructive.

PERFECTION! 😄

Originally posted by Rutog98
Why would she take the water out of her own body. Just resist Iceman is all.

Also, she moves clouds because she can control moisture, etc. She does't have to manipulate them through winds. She controls them directly.

Yep.

She'd just be immune.

This is one on one. No need to suspend powers for the sake of any plot.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You bring up the incarnation that ran out of power against MAgneto, right? Guess what? I know my canon much better than you know yours. Phoenix (like Storm) is enormously powerful. Her powers fluctuated. Prior to fighting Magneto, Phoenix defeated Firelord, a herald of Galactus, in an earlier arc. She was obviously written down for Magneto since Magneto is not powerful on a cosmic scale (or even a global scale without a machine). Storm has suffered the same thing herself. She frequently displays higher levels of power than Magneto in non-Magneto stories, then when Magneto shows up, she is not written as strong so Magneto can be a threat. Well, that's the 90s. In the 80s, when they fought, Storm always held back or certain aspects of her powers were ignored for Magneto to get the win.

That said, Magneto is negligible here. The fact is Phoenix against Magneto was not Phoenix's normal power. Before that, she beat the Firelord. After that, she gave Proteus a run for his money. Storm was able to control the ecosystem on a vast scale and could even control cosmic forces. Both of their powers were tempered by their humanity. Strip that away, and either one of them had near-infinite power bubbling just underneath. The power proved to be too much for JEan, but the stronger willed Ororo could handle it and turn it down when she saw it was going to be destructive.

Yeah, Magneto isn't really the only time that Phoenix version ran out of the power. Not by far. Like it or not, that version was the weakest version of Phoenix ever to appear on panel. And also the version that Claremont compared Storm to.

And why does Claremont's writing only applies when Magneto isn't portrayed as superior? Because claiming such thing sounds very hypocritical to me. Obviously Claremont thinks that Magneto can take out the weakened Phoenix version and Storm in battle. Easily. As he has written him doing so multiple times. 🙂

And the fact is, even Claremont acknowledged that Phoenix could peak higher then Storm. And only reason why Storm could equal Phoenix, was because she could not keep that peak for long. Full Phoenix Force has no such power.

Storm isn't equal to nothing else but limited Phoenix. Claremont agrees with me. Comics agree with me. No comic has ever portrayed Storm's power to be even close to full Phoenix Force. 😄

Originally posted by Rutog98
Why would she take the water out of her own body. Just resist Iceman is all.

Also, she moves clouds because she can control moisture, etc. She does't have to manipulate them through winds. She controls them directly.

And how is she going to resist Iceman?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, Magneto isn't really the only time that Phoenix version ran out of the power. Not by far. Like it or not, that version was the weakest version of Phoenix ever to appear on panel. And also the version that Claremont compared Storm to.

And why does Claremont's writing only applies when Magneto isn't portrayed as superior? Because claiming such thing sounds very hypocritical to me. Obviously Claremont thinks that Magneto can take out the weakened Phoenix version and Storm in battle. Easily. As he has written him doing so multiple times. 🙂

And the fact is, even Claremont acknowledged that Phoenix could peak higher then Storm. And only reason why Storm could equal Phoenix, was because she could not keep that peak for long. Full Phoenix Force has no such power.

Storm isn't equal to nothing else but limited Phoenix. Claremont agrees with me. Comics agree with me. No comic has ever portrayed Storm's power to be even close to full Phoenix Force. 😄

This was weak😐

Rutog98 just shot you down on your "incarnation" premise.

Insert coin and try again 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Iceman's powers were clearly enough to freeze his molecules in place. He is an Omega mutant after all. Stranger still has molecules.

Cry all you want, it happened.

And since you use every single feat Storm has, despite her never doing some of them more then once, in similar situation or in battle situation, I can do the same.

You don't want to be a hypocrite, do you? 😱

Yes, it happened. At the same time, they can write Jubilee beating the SS, but given her powerset and his, I won't buy it. 🙄

Stranger's powers were ignored.

The difference between Storm and Iceman is Storm's feats are not devaluing another character's. That said, she can easily become another Phoenix Force-type character given what she has done. When she beat the Trion, we all knew that the Trion was the sum of that whole dimension. They were fully credited for that in that arc and Storm was just that darn powerful where she could overwhelm them. She summoned the power of millions of stars. While she holds herself back, bubbling just underneath are powers to rival the Phoenix Force. She controls the forces that compose and govern the universe and is limited only to her will and body. This is only temporary since one day she will evolve.

In the case with Iceman vs. Stranger, I don't buy that Stranger's powers were given their full credit. I think the writer ignored his control over the atomic and sub-atomic structure of matter. Too many times have I seen powerful characters devalued to make another, lesser character look good.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, Magneto isn't really the only time that Phoenix version ran out of the power. Not by far. Like it or not, that version was the weakest version of Phoenix ever to appear on panel. And also the version that Claremont compared Storm to.

And why does Claremont's writing only applies when Magneto isn't portrayed as superior? Because claiming such thing sounds very hypocritical to me. Obviously Claremont thinks that Magneto can take out the weakened Phoenix version and Storm in battle. Easily. As he has written him doing so multiple times. 🙂

And the fact is, even Claremont acknowledged that Phoenix could peak higher then Storm. And only reason why Storm could equal Phoenix, was because she could not keep that peak for long. Full Phoenix Force has no such power.

Storm isn't equal to nothing else but limited Phoenix. Claremont agrees with me. Comics agree with me. No comic has ever portrayed Storm's power to be even close to full Phoenix Force. 😄

Where has MAgneto ever taken out Storm in battle easily outside of the first time when she was a novice and he had studied her. The second time they crossed swords, he admitted that he only won because she held back. The third time they fought, he admitted that she may be his downfall in a fight. They have not exchanged blows since then. The only reason, by the way, that he won all three times is because aspects of her powers were ignored. The way he hurt her to take her out of the fight should not have worked based off of other stories. Those energies he used to take her out, she is immune to in other arcs. You don't want to mess with me here.

The rest of the post of yours is desperate.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Yes, it happened. At the same time, they can write Jubilee beating the SS, but given her powerset and his, I won't buy it. :rolleyes1:

Stranger's powers were ignored.

What powers? His molecular control powers? Well, obviously he isn't capable of doing so if his own molecules are stopped.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The difference between Storm and Iceman is Storm's feats are not devaluing another character's. That said, she can easily become another Phoenix Force-type character given what she has done. When she beat the Trion, we all knew that the Trion was the sum of that whole dimension. They were fully credited for that in that arc and Storm was just that darn powerful where she could overwhelm them. She summoned the power of millions of stars. While she holds herself back, bubbling just underneath are powers to rival the Phoenix Force. She controls the forces that compose and govern the universe and is limited only to her will and body. This is only temporary since one day she will evolve.

Show me an instance where Storm's powers rival the Phoenix Force.

One.

Just one simple instance where the power level of Storm is portrayed to be even close to Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Rutog98
In the case with Iceman vs. Stranger, I don't buy that Stranger's powers were given their full credit. I think the writer ignored his control over the atomic and sub-atomic structure of matter. Too many times have I seen powerful characters devalued to make another, lesser character look good.

How does that make Iceman freezing him PIS? I mean, obviously Stranger would be able to get free from it, but that doesn't really change the fact that as an omega mutant, Iceman is capable of freezing Stranger's molecules.

Firelord>>>>>>Magneto😐

shocklaugh

Stops HARD at seven.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Where has MAgneto ever taken out Storm in battle easily outside of the first time when she was a novice and he had studied her.

When he stopped her from using her powers by controlling the iron in her blood for once.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The second time they crossed swords, he admitted that he only won because she held back.

And Magneto didn't? Come on, he didn't even use his shield in that battle.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The third time they fought, he admitted that she may be his downfall in a fight. They have not exchanged blows since then. The only reason, by the way, that he won all three times is because aspects of her powers were ignored.

Yeah, and "may" doesn't mean the she will.

And Magneto was totally using his full power in those fights too. 🙄 I remember most of his fighting tactics consisting of finding something metallic and hitting the X-Men in the head with it.

And take in account that every single time they have fought there have been other X-Men around them already making Magneto weaker.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The way he hurt her to take her out of the fight should not have worked based off of other stories. Those energies he used to take her out, she is immune to in other arcs. You don't want to mess with me here.

The rest of the post of yours is desperate.

So why are the arcs where she is immune of them the correct ones, and those where she isn't are not? Obviously Claremont seems to think that Magneto is capable of hurting her with those energies. He actually even strengthened that fact by showing Magneto wrestling the control of Storm's own lightning and hurting her with it. 🙂