Originally posted by 2damnloud
You don't even know how much of the work he was actually doing.Show him ascending out of the Earth's gravity let's say..............BY HIS OWN POWER. 😄
😆
Try again. 🙂
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
My argument for Iceman's defeat is a real one.He can control moisture but he cannot "create" moisture.
Storm creates a drought by robbing the surrounding area of all moisture (as stated in her marvel file). Combined with air superiority, better fighting skills, better tactics, lightning and sweltering suppression winds (tornadoes and down bursts). I don't see how Iceman is much of a threat.
That being said, what is his effective range of control?
Iceman doesn't simply "control moisture" anymore, he stops the molecular motion of things.
So your argument for Iceman's defeat is pretty flawed one.
Originally posted by Hitman911
Are you serious?!?!?!? Iceman is to thermal manipulation as Mags to metal. He can freeze the blood in her brain......or the air in her lungs...like harlequin said, Storm fights on a team.....as this point Iceman doesn't need one. Bobby 8/10
Again.
What is his range? How far does his control of the environment extend from his body?
Is his reach greater than Storm's?
How far do the combatants start apart?
Can he react faster than Storm?
Storm can channel the electrical energy discharge of a hurricane through her body how is iceman going to gain a hold on her with all that juice crackling outta her.
IMO Solar wind eliminates Bobby's phsical form any attempt to cohabit with storm phails: current will skrazzzzle incoming psionic energy.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Iceman doesn't simply "control moisture" anymore, he stops the molecular motion of things.So your argument for Iceman's defeat is pretty flawed one.
Flawed how? stop the molecular motion of things all you like.
you need moisture to make Ice.
No moisture no ice.
Then hows he gonna stop crushing/suffocating/sweltering winds and lightning coming from 1000+ feet?
Weather so bad, that it's tearing up the landscape at the same time it's tearing him up?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He doesn't need to. She has no way of actually harming him. At all.While he can literally suck her dry or flash freeze her blood. Killing her instantly.
Incapacitation is also an option in this forum.
Storm can keep Bobby dehydrated and away from moisture for the "tap".
Combined with tornadoes, dessert heat, and dry lightning
Storm's got this in the bag.
not to mention she's a great tactician, and good at thinking on her feet.
And she's got the "Sun Lense"
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Incapacitation is also an option in this forum.Storm can keep Bobby dehydrated and away from moisture for the "tap".
Combined with tornadoes, dessert heat, and dry lightning
Storm's got this in the bag.
not to mention she's a great tactician, and good at thinking on her feet.
And she's got the "Sun Lense"
Storm is a great leader but she is still "Team player Quality) She lacks the power to be a true solo act like Bobby.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Flawed how? stop the molecular motion of things all you like.you need moisture to make Ice.
No moisture no ice.
Then hows he gonna stop crushing/suffocating/sweltering winds and lightning coming from 1000+ feet?
Weather so bad, that it's tearing up the landscape at the same time it's tearing him up?
Iceman doesn't need to breathe.
Storm can tear him all he wants, he can exist in any water molecules at the immediate radius. Including the ones in Storm's body.
Iceman doesn't simply "make ice". He stops molecular motion of things. He's freezed fire. Stranger's eyebeams.
Let me say this again. He DOESN'T need MOISTURE to use his powers anymore. He can simply freeze Storm in place by targeting the molecules in her body, water or otherwise.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Iceman doesn't need to breathe.Storm can tear him all he wants, he can exist in any water molecules at the immediate radius. Including the ones in Storm's body.
Iceman doesn't simply "make ice". He stops molecular motion of things. He's freezed fire. Stranger's eyebeams.
Let me say this again. He DOESN'T need MOISTURE to use his powers anymore. He can simply freeze Storm in place by targeting the molecules in her body, water or otherwise.
co-signed!! they talk about making desert like heat and moisture absorption 😆 They don't talk about the water in her body.I'm trying to tell theses cats that Bobby's on another level.
Originally posted by Hitman911
co-signed!! they talk about making desert like heat and moisture absorption 😆 They don't talk about the water in her body.I'm trying to tell theses cats that Bobby's on another level.
While your cosigning maybe you can tell me the range of Bobby's powers.
How close does he have to be to manipulate the moisture in someone's body?
I'm not saying that he can't do it. I'm saying He probably wouldn't get a chance to.
Storm's got the power set to lock Bobby in a state of constant regeneration.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Iceman doesn't need to breathe.
In ice form. but he can be melted and then evaporated.
Moisture, which can then be dispersed per Storm's power.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Storm can tear him all he wants, he can exist in any water molecules at the [b]immediate radius.[/B]
So, ipso facto, no water in the IMMEDIATE radius=Death. Yes?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Including the ones in Storm's body.
How close does he have to be?
Is he fast enough to stop her from getting airborne?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Iceman doesn't simply "make ice". He stops molecular motion of things. He's freezed fire. Stranger's eyebeams.
Has he ever frozen the wind or a tornado on panel?
A sun beam?
What kind of energy was the Stranger projecting?
What other energy has he been shown freezing on panel?
Is he fast enough to freeze the molecular structure of lightning?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Let me say this again. He DOESN'T need MOISTURE to use his powers anymore. He can simply freeze Storm in place by targeting the molecules in her body, water or otherwise.
Let me say this again.
HOW CLOSE DOES HE HAVE TO BE?
WHAT"S THE EFFECTIVE RANGE OF HIS POWERS?
oops hey look man my bad, i forgot you said earlier "immediate radius".
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
In ice form. but he can be melted and then evaporated.Moisture, which can then be dispersed per Storm's power.
Or, he just goes in the water in Storm's body, you know, because his conciousness can be transferred in any water that exists.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
So, ipso facto, no water in the IMMEDIATE radius=Death. Yes?
No. His conciousness is not dependable on physical things anymore.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
How close does he have to be?Is he fast enough to stop her from getting airborne?
Yeah, I guess he is fast enough to stop her from getting airborne because it takes him ONE THOUGHT to freeze Storm.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Has he ever frozen the wind or a tornado on panel?A sun beam?
What kind of energy was the Stranger projecting?
What other energy has he been shown freezing on panel?
Is he fast enough to freeze the molecular structure of lightning?
Stranger was projecting energy. It wasn't stated what kind of energy it was. But it was clearly an energy beam. And if it has some sort of molecules, he is able to freeze it. Simple as that. He froze a freaking fusion core explosion.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Let me say this again.HOW CLOSE DOES HE HAVE TO BE?
WHAT"S THE EFFECTIVE RANGE OF HIS POWERS?
oops hey look man my bad, i forgot you said earlier "immediate radius".
Hiss effective range is miles. All he has to do is to see someone to freeze them.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
shocklaugh @ freezing energy with no molecules. Plus the heat would negate this even at abosolute zero.
He can still do that, no matter how much you want to whine about it. 😄
Originally posted by 2damnloud
They give people the stupidest ****in powers.
Says the STORM fanboy.
God, that's the most ironic statement I have read in a long, long time.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Bobby dies he's still insta plasma.😐
No he's not. It takes longer for the plasma thing to happen then Iceman to make a thought. 😄
Or he will just transfer his consciousness in the water in Storm's body even if the water he is at the moment is not water anymore. 🙂
But you'll just continue to ignore these things, right? Since that's your debating tactic?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or, he just goes in the water in Storm's body, you know, because his consciousness can be transferred in any water that exists.No. His consciousness is not dependable on physical things anymore.
No water = nowhere for his consciousness to go once the main body is destroyed.
Think Azazel in "Fallen"
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, I guess he is fast enough to stop her from getting airborne because it takes him ONE THOUGHT to freeze Storm.
This assumes that his thoughts are faster than hers.
Please keep in mind that Storm flies like Bobby covers himself in ice during a fight.
Flight is almost 2nd nature to Storm. It could be argued that she flies on instinct at this point in her career, and doesn't take much of a thought to get airborne.
Stranger was projecting energy. It wasn't stated what kind of energy it was. But it was clearly an energy beam. And if it has some sort of molecules, he is able to freeze it. Simple as that. He froze a freaking fusion core explosion.
Hiss effective range is miles. All he has to do is to see someone to freeze them. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Stranger was projecting energy. It wasn't stated what kind of energy it was. But it was clearly an energy beam. And if it has some sort of molecules, he is able to freeze it. Simple as that. He froze a freaking fusion core explosion.
Fair.
Was the Stranger's energy blast directed at Iceman?
How fast was the feat with the core (did he have seconds to ready his focus to contain the blast, or did he just do it in mid explosion)?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hiss effective range is miles. All he has to do is to see someone to freeze them.
So this is a line of sight thing?
I don't know too many people that can "See" for "Miles".
Maybe A mile or 2 unless they're on elevated terrain.
Lightning turns the very air in it's path into plasma. He's palsma.
Until some scans of an actually disembodied "consciouness" with regard to molecules is presented, I don't see it.
Who's to say his essentially psionic attack can't be blocked by an electrical field??
Who sai it would even work on Ororo's physiology.To my knowledge she's NEVER been frozen. Her molecules probably wouldn't even respond.
She can do this, remember:
He stands NO CHANCE against the Goddess.
The average cloud weighs millions of TONS!
Storm psionically moves that amount of WATER VAPOR on the REGULAR.
That's enough water vapor for >>>>>>>>>> 5 mile radius. I can tell you that.
