Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Partial-birth abortion is the whole reason I cant allow the "choice" on any abortion. We're taking a fully developed baby here, it might as well have been physically completely birthed, and then killing it. Beleiving in partial-birth is saying that a baby -who at this point is undeniably human- is not human, has no rights, and therefore can be killed.
Originally posted by Alliance
IDX has been done on viable fetuses. It has also been done on unviable ones. It depends on the age of the fetus when the proedure is performed. No baby is fully developed until it is born, when it starts breathing and the holes in its heart close.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Abortion itself is wrong, but the real reason I hate it is because of this, and what will come next by considering abortion 'acceptable'. Because first you have just a fetus/embryo which is being killed, and one we see that as alright, now it is a fully developed human being killed. Next, it will be already born babies -the doctor will hold the two babies up, the mom gets to choose the one she likes more, and the doctor just takes a needle, jabs the other one, and dumps it in the trash.
Actually, that would go against the Hippocratic Oath. Talk about being ignorant/paranoid. Guns are legal...does that mean we all go around shooting eachother?
Originally posted by The Black GhostI know...if we let black people drink form the same water fountain...THEY MIGHT COME INTO OUR SCHOOLS!
And of course, there's more to come if we allow ourselves to get there. As science continues to advance, who knows what we will come up with next and how easily it will be accepted? This is the chain reaction.
There are other people that can take care of her. You don't get sick because she's mentally retarded. You don't have to stay at home because she's mentally retarded, you don't have huge risks to your health because she's mentally retarded. Big difference.
Telling me I have lost the debate doesn't mean I lost it. Obviously you aren't very smart because then you would see the difference between a mentally retarded person outside of the womb that can be taken care of by many people and will create no real problems for the mother if she doesn't want it compared to the fetus that will create huge problems for the mother if she decides to keep it.
So it's wrong to kill a fetus but okay to kill the parents? Now answer my question, should she keep the child just so it can have a misserable life, probably go into a crime and have no real hope of a good future? Because that is basically what she will be doing if she keeps the child. Not to mention she will also ruin her own life. Should she do that?
Again huge difference between a retarded human being alive and outside of the womb and a fetus not alive, without brain capicity or feelings inside of the womb.
If that's the case then your just an idiot. Your arguments are the same as the anti-choice crowd uses. Your arguments also assume that for some reason this is only ever done by people who don't want a child when in the incredibly huge majority of the cases it's done for medical reasons as has been said half a dozen times in this thread already. Sure sometimes people use it for the wrong reasons, but that is incredibly rare. If your entire argument is that it should be banned because sometimes it's used for crimes, then I would suggest you start working to get knifes, guns, cars, appliances that run on gas, lighters and god knows what else banned.
All in all, you're a horrid debater.
There are other people to take care of the baby, too. Again, you've lost your point and this part of the debate. And you're insane if you think having a retarded baby doesn't pose risks. You are out of your mind.
There are other people that can carry the fetus in their womb?
Your funny and stupid... Mostly the second thing...
Again, you lost. Babies can be adopted, and if the mother might die because of her mistake, then so be it. Just make sure the kid is fine.
Saying somebody lost, doesn't make them lose. Just makes you a candidate for forced post birth abortion...
Now onto your stupid point, who says it was the mothers mistake? And even if it was, why should a woman risk her life to have something she doesn't want. You are forcing somebody to risk her life just because you think it's immoral to kill. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?
I'm all for murdering adults. Should she do that? No, she shouldn't. She should give it up for adoption.
So she should ruin months of her life, possibly her education and career and then send the child to adoption when there is a huge shortage in adoption parents already. Woohoo great. And that's quite hypocritical. Saving fetuses that don't think, feel or have any emotion at all costs even the costs of other lives, but let's kill adults?
Again, you lose. Both can survive outside the womb and both have brain capacity and feeling.
Again, Saying somebody lost, doesn't make them lose. Just makes you a candidate for forced post birth abortion...
And have you even read alliance his posts? Try it, it's nice.
You're wrong again. Also, you have a bad habit of calling names when you're being taken to school on a subject. Sure, it works on some fools, but for those who are smart enough to call you on your bullshit simply see it as grasping for straws.All in all, you're a horrid debater.
Perhaps I am, or perhaps you are just an idiot. Because your arguments make no sense with what you are saying. You don't have any knowledge on the subject, and you make really wacky analogy's that are completely unrelated to the subject. Also constantly saying you lose and you fail, doesn't really make you a good debater and claiming that you have won doesn't actually make you win a debate...
Originally posted by long pig
There are other people to take care of the baby, too. Again, you've lost your point and this part of the debate. And you're insane if you think having a retarded baby doesn't pose risks. You are out of your mind.Again, you lost. Babies can be adopted, and if the mother might die because of her mistake, then so be it. Just make sure the kid is fine.
I'm all for murdering adults. Should she do that? No, she shouldn't. She should give it up for adoption.
Again, you lose. Both can survive outside the womb and both have brain capacity and feeling.
You're wrong again. Also, you have a bad habit of calling names when you're being taken to school on a subject. Sure, it works on some fools, but for those who are smart enough to call you on your bullshit simply see it as grasping for straws.
All in all, you're a horrid debater.
I like your siggy!JM 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb...
Wrong wrong wrong wrong. I right. 😱
Alliance: When you try to put racial discrimination and anti-abortion in the same statement, it works contradictorily. Notice that taking away racial rights is quite similar to taking away the rights of a fully developed or unborn child.
There is no purpose served in this.