Originally posted by Darth Sexy
[B]Unless the saber discrepancies between the two are great enough to negate the superiority of Revan's force abilities, then yes
I'm inclined to say that it's a ridiculous assumption to say because "X has more strength in the Force than Y, X wins", despite the fact there's little to nothing definitively known regarding Revan's lightsaber skills. Which for all we know, could be as good as Anoon Bondara's, who Maul mopped the floor with.
And why do you continually bring up "force abilities"? What abilities are you even talking about, huh? He can't pull a Force storm out of his ass in a match that bars offensive powers.
If you're talking about passive usage of the Force, then again, what does he have that Maul can't match?
I find it highly unlikely that Maul will win.
Then you better check your map again, because what you found is way off. Not to mention absurd and unsupported.
The rest is just 😆.
Revan probably wins, but its close, Revan is a smarter fighter, i am not saying Maul is stupid, because he is not, but Revan is renowned for his strategy, not just overall in battles, but also in personal combat. He is also a master of unarmed combat, as i remember from KOTOR(i could be wrong, haven't played the game for a long time), but Maul is better in this department and i would say, he has higher stamina then Revan, as well pain tolerance, so Revan will tire out quicker. But, as i said, i think Revan would win, but Maul has a chance of wining, especially if he uses his stronger psychical strength and wears down Revan.
Hasn't Canderous stated Revan as the "greatest warrior the galaxy had ever seen?". And he actually saw ones like Ullic or Kun fighting, especially Ullic against Mandalore. If after this Canderous still says such thing i think this tells you something. By the way, Revan beat in single combat:
-Darth Malak
-Yusanis
-Mandalore
-Bastilla
-Calo Nord (the greatest bounty hunter of his time, a legend between them and a guy who was showed by his own records to have hunted a RANCOR)
-Uthar and Yuthura at the same time
He was also the "greatest duelist to ever grace the rings of Taris". Let's not forget he accomplished such thing WITHOUT the use of the force.
Well, basicly he owned no more no less then ALL the great ones of his time in single combat.
I think Revan beats Mauls with his lightsaber.
Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
Advent Lol you can kinda stop insulting people now its just a debate. I am an idiot.
Give me something I don't already know for $500, Alex.
iv played KOTOR 1 AND 2 very often. I am an idiot.
Do you want an award or something? I suspect it would go something like "First Annual KotOR Awards: MasterAshenWhore, First place, Most Times Played KOTOR 1/2, 'Get a life'".
i have no viable proof or source to show you. I am an idiot.
lol!
You have no evidence to support your claims, yet you made them despite that fact. Wow, I suggest reading this:
Maybe [not-so-much-a-] LeGend [-but-a-moron] will lend you his copy, as he obviously never uses it.
but in the game it is stated that Revan was VERY powerful and skilled in saber and force combat. I am an idiot.
Thank you for sleuthing up the obvious, Detective Dipshit.
"ZOMG, REVAN IS TEH BEST!", and like Maul isn't extremely talented with a lightsaber. I mean, it's not like he went up against a foe who was "VERY powerful and skilled in saber and the force", and wiped his ass with him (Anoon).
It's asinine at best continually repeat what is already known, and then expect that it holds any water when it's already been addressed.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Revan probably wins, but its close, Revan is a smarter fighter
He wins, which is supported by the fact that he's... smarter? Huzzah for [in]capable reasoning skills.
Also, where's it noted that he's received acclaim for his strategies in one on one combat? Even if it is, I hardly see how that equates to victory when little is known on his actual skills (and certainly not enough to compare him to earlier and later eras).
He is also a master of unarmed combat
This isn't the UFC, Iceman. And you already brought up the point that Maul is superior in this category, so why even mention it?
But, as i said, i think Revan would win.
He wins, which is supported by the fact that he's... smarter? Huzzah for [in]capable reasoning skills.
Originally posted by kamhal
Hasn't Canderous stated Revan as the "greatest warrior the galaxy had ever seen?"
Yeah. It's called hyperbole. Unless, of course, Canderous has seen every warrior the galaxy has.
And he actually saw ones like Ullic or Kun fighting
Except not, because Kun's never shown fighting in large scale battles, much less with the Mandalorians involved. After Mandalore is defeated, we only ever see Kun go to Coruscant and Ossus, at neither place is Canderous - or any Mandalorians for that matter - present (they're on Onderon when Kun and Ulic are on the latter planet).
Are you done not knowing shit about what you're talking about yet?
especially Ullic against Mandalore.
You do realize that "greatest" is ambiguous, right? Insomuch as it doesn't put him over anyone else in terms of power. One can interpret his words as Revan's the overall greatest (with achievements, and strategic adeptness in mind). It hardly means that Revan is stronger than Ulic.
Not that any of it matters, because just because Canderous (of all people) said it, doesn't make it so. It's nothing more than a sentiment coming from his mouth, which is subjective.
If after this Canderous still says such thing i think this tells you something
True, it does tell us something: that he's full of shit.
By the way, Revan beat in single combat
Feat wars. Put them into context, elsewise they mean jack shit.
He was also the "greatest duelist to ever grace the rings of Taris".
Funny, because that's optional, not canonical. Oops! I guess the "Mysterious Stranger" is nothing more than a masturbation technique, as there's no proof that it ever happened.
Let's not forget he accomplished such thing WITHOUT the use of the force.
Funny, because that's optional, not canonical. Oops! I guess the "Mysterious Stranger" is nothing more than a masturbation technique, as there's no proof that it ever happened.
Well, basicly he owned no more no less then ALL the great ones of his time in single combat.
"Owned"? Prove up. As far as I'm concerned, all the feats you listed had unknown circumstances, save for his fight against Mandalore (which, while known what type of combat, what happened in the battle itself is unknown).
I think Revan beats Mauls with his lightsaber.
You could wipe a cockatoo's ass with what you think, kamhal.
Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
[B]You Edited all those quotes Advent
I only added to your post, and only to the extent to express what I believe you to be. I didn't change any of the "points" (if you can even call them that) you attempted to make.
So, address the rebuttal or don't comment at all.
and Canderous alredy Sayed he was the Greatest Jedi in the Galaxy at his time period.
Already addressed, see previous post.
And Advent why dont you GET A LIFE
[sarcasm] Because they're too expensive for poor country folk like me. [/sarcasm]
and stop insulting People HMMM....?
I wouldn't even have to "insult people" were they not to continuously spill idiocy. But next time, I'll try to keep in mind that MasterAshenVor wants me to be more civil. 🙄
and NO IM AN IDIOT......
I agree wholeheartedly.
Originally posted by kamhal
Yeah. Probably the stupiest dumbshit (😆) i had ever seen in a forum.
Now he resorts to acting like I didn't shoot down his argument and for some reason or another you failed to give a cogent rebuttal. Yeah, that's basically a white flag.
Nice try son. Better luck next time.
Originally posted by Utrigita
What is you reasons for saying Maul would win Advent so far I have seen this:Nevermind that Anoon Bondara's prowess with a blade was described as "second to none" by the omniscient narrator, and that Maul made short work of him.
And why are 9 people in favour of Revan? 😕
Originally posted by Advent
By means unknown.
Originally posted by Advent
Prove up. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. As far as I recall, you can use Force stun on them.
Here are some:
Link 1: Click!
Link 2: Click!
Link 3: Click!
Even in the KOTOR game, most of the Force attacks do not work on Terentatek beasts. However the game developers still allowed one kind of Force Power to work on the Terentatek beasts and this power is Force Stun. But this is just a work of Game Mechanics to make it easy for the gamers to defeat those monsters and is not a canonical fact, unless proven by an another source.
So we have one more viable option left and that is the use of Light Saber or a Sith Sword.
Originally posted by Advent
Where's the evidence of how he killed them, hm? Your stating conclusions without any viable proof.
Originally posted by Advent
Prove up. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.
Yusanis was the most famous of Echani warriors, fighting against oppression and villainy until encountering Darth Revan. Discovering that Revan had killed an Echani senator, Yusanis attempted to tell authorities but fell to the powers of the Sith Lord despite his own mpressive abilities and the cortosis weave inherent in all Echani vibroblades.
Here is some more information about Yusanis from an another source: Click!
Yusanis developed a special melee weapon for fighting purposes, which was known as Yusanis Brand. He challenged Darth Revan to a duel and used that special weapon against him, but was still defeated and killed by him.
Originally posted by Advent
Uh. Who said it was a saber duel? Once again, your stating conclusions without any viable proof. What source supports that the duel between Malak and Revan was a lightsaber battle for longer than say, two seconds (or even if you're referring to Bandon, the same applies)?Oh? What's that? It's just another feat you pulled out of your ass without giving any forethought?
Now before you come and say that Malak sucked in Light Saber Combat or something like that, I must tell you that Drew intended Malak to a be skilled swordsman. And ask Drew, if you doubt me!
Originally posted by Advent
Which means little to jack shit. We've seen cases where someone who is much, much more stronger in the Force is incapable of defeating an opponent in lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Advent
Big f'in deal. It hardly matters when dealing against another prodigious being.
Originally posted by Advent
Maul can see the near future too, what's your point? Revan's precognitive abilities aren't infallible, insomuch as he canonically got caught twice in attacks.
Regarding Revan getting caught twice in attacks, here are the reasons:
Case 1: Jedi Strike Team vs Revan
Revan's attention was fully diverted by those Jedi who came to fight him and Malak was not even present on the Revan's flagship. Now in such a scenario, how would you expect from Revan to concentrate on other threats as well?
Thus Revan was thinking about dealing with the threat that had already cornered him and it was the most viable thing to do at that point.
Case 2: Revan vs Malak on Leviathan
Revan became emotionally disturbed by the revelation and it limited his focus, so he could not properly concentrate on Malak's moves and lost. However in the later duel, Revan was fully familiar with all the realities and accepted them and fought with clear mind and defeated the Dark Lord.
Thus in both these cases, there was a specific reason that led Revan to fail. In this fight however, Revan has no such issues to deal with and he will fight with clear mind.
Originally posted by Advent
As was Anoon Bondara, who was capable of picking up boulders with ease as a padawan, and was described by the omniscient narrator as "living in the Force".
Originally posted by Advent
Right. "Is believed"? By who? A crack whore with a bum leg? Give me the quote and source, now. Not that it matters, as just because one is believed doesn't mean one actually is.And even if he is, what does that even mean in the context of this fight? Again, I must bring up Anoon Bondara, who's technical prowess was unmatched during his era. Which speaks volumes.
However if you want to see such sources then here are some:
And also in the KOTOR II game, the vision of Revan was shown using Jar Kai combat style.
A concept art of Revan is also shown using Jar Kai style.