Originally posted by Utrigita
What is you reasons for saying Maul would win Advent?
I have none, considering I never said he would win. Quote me for truth if you believe otherwise.
Nevermind that Anoon Bondara's prowess with a blade was described as "second to none" by the omniscient narrator, and that Maul made short work of him.
Which was a statement designed to counter an attempted point made by a Revan supporter. It's not to suggest that Maul wins, merely like I said to Sexy, to show that he'll "need more proof than that" to make a viable case.
Anyways, are you done making incorrect inferences yet? Or do you still have more up that big ass of yours?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
From your point of view, can you tell me that how Revan killed those monsters?
No, because if it wasn't clear enough before, the circumstances are unknown. Ergo, it's speculation to say that he killed them via lightsaber or similar weapon. One could've used a grenade (you find two different types of grenades in the area, to my (perfect) recollection), or made indirect use of the Force.
Nothing is absolute, so don't try to act like it is.
Several sources have indicated that Terentatek beasts are immune to Force attacks.
Appeal to authority, logical fallacy.
I asked you to prove up citing canon sources, not third party websites. A pornographic website says that if I get my boyfriend pill X his dong will grow to massive sizes for life, is it true because the advertisement said it? No.
Though, I will say it's comedy at its finest when one of your own sources suggests they are not completely immune:
"Regardless, terentatek were virtually immune to effects of the Force."
QED.
Even in the KOTOR game, most of the Force attacks do not work on Terentateks.
But some do, so it's a logical fallacy to assume that they are entirely resistant to the Force.
However the game developers still allowed one kind of Force Power to work on the Terentateks and this power is Force Stun. But this is just a work of Game Mechanics to make it easy for the gamers to defeat those monsters
Do you work for Bioware? No. Did you develop KotOR? No. Are you a complete and utter buffoon? Yes.
You don't dictate for what purpose they allowed such a power to be used, because you don't work for them! The fact of the matter is, that it was not a variable.
Which means that it isn't dependent upon the situation, as it can always be used no matter what. Akin to that of Bastila knowing Force lightning after her fall to the Dark side. It's never canonically stated, but it's not an alterable element.
and is not a canonical fact, unless proven by an another source.
Arguing from ignorance is never smart. See above, it doesn't need to.
And may I ask, where in the blue hell any of your sources are, huh? You're arguments are completely unsupported.
So we have one more viable option left and that is the use of Light Saber or a Sith Sword.
Except not because you're operating under a false premise. Even assuming arguendo that the direct Force attacks would be useless, indirect usage of the Force is certainly a viable option. Grenades, mines, etc. would also be possible.
Believing what you want to believe again?
There is no concrete evidence but we can logically deduce that Revan had to kill those monsters using a melee weapon because there were no other viable options left
Already addressed, see above.
since the monsters were immune to Force attacks.
Already addressed, see above.
Here is a description about Yusanis from the KOTOR Journal
Which is also largely irrelevant.
I didn't ask anything about Yusanis' skills, I asked you to prove that Revan "destroyed" him, as you so eloquently put it...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He destroyed Yusanis
...which you've yet to do.
I was obviously talking about a saber clash between Revan and Malak, in which Revan struck him down.
Unsupported assumption. How many times do I have to state this?
The circumstances of the duel are unknown.
Ergo, it's a huge fallacy to assert that he defeated him in a saber battle. You spewing out scenarios doesn't change that fact.
Now before you come and say that Malak sucked in Light Saber Combat or something like that, I must tell you that Drew intended Malak to a be skilled swordsman. And ask Drew, if you doubt me!
Jumping the gun, much?
Anyways, it's entirely irrelevant if he's a "skilled swordsman", because there's no definitive proof that Revan used his lightsaber for more than two seconds (or at all, for that matter).
How about sticking to the point, and proving up on what I asked you to prove up on:
Originally posted by Advent
Uh. Who said it was a saber duel? Once again, your stating conclusions without any viable proof. What source supports that the duel between Malak and Revan was a lightsaber battle for longer than say, two seconds (or even if you're referring to Bandon, the same applies)?
It does matters when dealing against another prodigious being because it makes it clear for us that both of these men were skilled warriors.
No, you clearly intended for calling Revan a "prodigy" to be some sort of valid point. It's only relevant insomuch as it tells us he's good (known information), it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because Maul can be considered a prodigy as well.
I know that Revan's precognitive abilities are not infallible but this does not means that his precognitive abilities were not exceptional.
Any Jedi who's worth a damn has the ability to see the near future. Untrained Force sensitive too (Anakin). It's hardly the end-all be-all.
When he faced Yusanis, his precognitive abilities were put to an ultimate test in which Revan prevailed.
You mean when he faced Yusanis and prevailed by unknown means, right?
Case 1: Jedi Strike Team vs Revan
I wasn't even referring to this, I was saying it in regards to their encounter on the Leviathan (whirlwind and stun). Nice job jumping the gun, Quickdraw.
Revan became emotionally disturbed by the revelation and it limited his focus, so he could not properly concentrate on Malak's moves and lost.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Though Revan was also a bit emotionally disturbed after the revelation, so that might have limited his focus and Malak took advantage.
Inconsistency anyone? When it's in favor of your argument, you'll state it as fact, but when it's not, you'll give it a mere acknowledgment of being possible.
Anyways, jack shit suggests that it was due to the "revelation" he got caught in those two attacks. Prove up, all you have to go on is speculation without a strong leg to even hold it up. It's not definitive.
However in the later duel, Revan was fully familiar with all the realities and accepted them and fought with clear mind and defeated the Dark Lord.
...By means unknown.
Thus in both these cases, there was a specific reason that led Revan to fail.
According to your unproven assumptions, and speculation.
And if Anoon Bondara failed to perform well against Maul, does this logic applies to Revan too, who has proved on more then several occasions that he can deal with any kind of threat?
I didn't suggest it did. Quote me for truth. The situation with me referencing Maul's battle with Anoon was to counter ridiculous assertions, such as "ZOMG, REVAN WAS THE BEST IN AN ORDER OF THOUSANDS!".
Actually, on second glance, your sentence doesn't even appear to be formulated in a way that can be properly read. Wanna' try that again?
Remember that I used word "believed" and some sources do indicate that Revan used Jar Kai.
Again, I ask: "is believed"? By who? A crack whore with a bum leg? Not that it matters, as just because one is believed doesn't mean one actually is.
You've failed to prove that he is "among the greatest practitioners of Jar'Kai", which was your assertion. So, I'll assume that it was nothing more than bullshit from a lying fanboy.
And again, your precious Wookiepedia fails you:
"With Revan [...] as [a] possible practitioner".
QED.
However if you want to see such sources then here are some
Appeal to authority, logical fallacy (so because Wookiepedia said it, it must be true?).
And also in the KOTOR II game, the vision of Revan was shown using Jar Kai combat style.
A vision similar to that like the one Luke has on Dagobah. Is Darth Vader now Luke Skywalker in disguise? Your points holds no water.
A concept art of Revan is also shown using Jar Kai style.
O RLY? I suppose then, Chewbacca must've looked like a Big Foot meets Santa Claus meets the Seven Dwarfs at one point or another.
Yeah. Concept art is only a rough idea, and it doesn't indicate what you need to prove up on anyways. You're suppose to showing me some concrete evidence that Revan is "among the greatest practitioners of Jar'Kai", not some children's crappy art work.