Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THOTU is NOT TOAA. It's not even his power. It's never stated as such. And it's certainly not the presence. It's not smart enough, not enough will, and not enough omnicience.
I wasn't really talking about that 😬
You say it lets DS control anybody regardless of anything about them. So what would stop him from control the Source or the Prescence with it?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlremmeber when dealing with nver his logic is darkseid prevails against any and all odds. i mean hell thanos with this power was considered super freaking powerful, he crushed the living tribunal. i mean literally thought he was pathetic. the ale isnt anywhere near as powerful as the hotu. its specualted its very powerful but the hotu was seen on panel as beating everyone who stood in his way with ease. NO WAY DARKSEID COULD DO ANYTHING SAVE PRAY THAT THANOS SPARED HIM.
THOTU is NOT TOAA. It's not even his power. It's never stated as such. And it's certainly not the presence. It's not smart enough, not enough will, and not enough omnicience.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THOTU is NOT TOAA. It's not even his power. It's never stated as such. And it's certainly not the presence. It's not smart enough, not enough will, and not enough omnicience.
THOTI is the power of TOAA, it was conclusively proven,
both Thanos and Warlock acknowledged it as such.
Why do you post this if I already told you this yesterday I think.
I shouldn't be surprised.
TOAA' POWER
"Tricked ... as much by yourself as HE whose Power you coveted"
"You were chosen because of your WILL Titan"
Thanos had TOAA's power,
Thanos HAD IT!
"a poisonous Trinket (THOTI) was OFFERED and I foolishly leapt for it"
This is Thanos as he "leapt for it"
The Result:
"Supreme" ...
Beyond the Cosmic Containment Units (Makes you A Universe/can Remake all of creation)
Beyond the Infinity Gauntlet (ONLY the Living Tribunal can stop it)
And in the Official Bio only TOAA is more powerful than the Living Tribunal
Logical reasoning would tell you that in order to defeat the LT,
you have to have TOAA's power swank
Originally posted by Mr Masternice post. i like it when people expose nver as the liar he is. he distorts truth all the time. and always assumes darkseid can beat anything. u owned him. i bet he wont respond to u. nicely done.
THOTI is the power of TOAA, it was conclusively proven,both Thanos and Warlock acknowledged it as such.
Why do you post this if I already told you this yesterday I think.
I shouldn't be surprised.
TOAA' POWER
"
"Tricked ... as much by yourself as [B]HE whose Power you coveted
"You were chosen because of your WILL Titan"Thanos had TOAA's power,
Thanos HAD IT!
"a poisonous Trinket (THOTI) was OFFERED and I foolishly leapt for it"This is Thanos as he "leapt for it"
The Result:
"Supreme" ...
Beyond the Cosmic Containment Units (Makes you A Universe/can Remake all of creation)
Beyond the Infinity Gauntlet (ONLY the Living Tribunal can stop it)
And in the Official Bio only TOAA is more powerful than the Living Tribunal
Logical reasoning would tell you that in order to defeat the LT,
you have to have TOAA's power swank [/B]
Originally posted by Magee
holy shit that is some crazy backward ass logic. No where is TOAA mentioned or even refrenced to in any way. Has this TOAA actualy ever been named as such on panel?
Of course this is pure speculation period, in no way it is a fact that THOTU was TOAA's power-it would state such a fact on panel not someones opinion of it, and for those who agree with the speculation,hey thats ok be happy with your speculation because thats all it is
Originally posted by Magee
holy shit that is some crazy backward ass logic. No where is TOAA mentioned or even refrenced to in any way. Has this TOAA actualy ever been named as such on panel?
This is why I don't respond much to Mr. Master and his lackeys. His crazy logic is all over the place and he speculates much and then dumb asses except it as fact. And if you even utter a word against it, you are called a liar and such. I have no time for illogical people. So I just let it ride.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT would probably go to Darkseid tho. Becuz the Ale basically gives the owner power over the will of anyone no matter how powerful. SO thanos would basically just hand the Heart over to DS if DS wished for it to be so. This isn't about power.
Could the ALE give Darkseid power over Lucifer?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is why I don't respond much to Mr. Master and his lackeys. His crazy logic is all over the place and he speculates much and then dumb asses except it as fact. And if you even utter a word against it, you are called a liar and such. I have no time for illogical people. So I just let it ride.
How is it "crazy logic" to assume that the HOTI is the power of TOAA? Let's see. The only one who is above the LT is TOAA. Thanos w/HOTI beat the LT and every other abstract being at the same time like they were nothing. I don't believe there are multiple supreme beings in Marvel. in DC.
Originally posted by quanchi112
nice post. i like it when people expose nver as the liar he is. he distorts truth all the time. and always assumes darkseid can beat anything. u owned him. i bet he wont respond to u. nicely done.
Hey quanchi112 i think the only one owned by Mr Master is you
Mr Master
"And in the Official Bio only TOAA is more powerful than the Living Tribunal"
NO! it does not say that Mr Master, this is what it actually says(for those who cant take the time to read the scan)
The Living Tribunal is a vastly powerfull conceptual being, one who has existed since the multiverse came into being.The Living Tribunals only superior is the one-above-all
Think about it if our 4 star generals only superior is the president..does that mean in a fight the president is the only one who could beat him...if the general was killed would the president be arrested because he is the only one superior to him..yeesh
And beyond the IG where does it state that in those scans? -thanos says he is all that and subserviant to no one-the IG was external and the HOTU is internal..but that is for another debate
Originally posted by celestialdemon
How is it "crazy logic" to assume that the HOTI is the power of TOAA? Let's see. The only one who is above the LT is TOAA. Thanos w/HOTI beat the LT and every other abstract being at the same time like they were nothing. I don't believe there are multiple supreme beings in Marvel. in DC.
It might be "crazy logic" because you are assuming-we know what happens when you assume?
It would be better to say "In my opinion" which is fine and dandy,but conclusive proof is just wrong period
Originally posted by starlock
It might be "crazy logic" because you are assuming-we know what happens when you assume?It would be better to say "In my opinion" which is fine and dandy,but conclusive proof is just wrong period
True, it's speculation, because it's not "crazy". The power of the HOTI has been the only thing shown conclusively more powerful than the LT. Thanos acknowledges that he was manipulated by some unknown person (referred only to as "he"😉 into acquiring that power. Is it TOAA? Maybe, maybe not.
Originally posted by starlockthanos was manipulated by the supreme being. the living tribunal was crushed. it does state its more powerful than the gauntlet and if u dont believe it look how he beat the tribunal. meaning he was swatted away like a gnat. meaning if living tribunal was always number 2 and got crushed. then what else can u derive from that. thanos said he was manipulated the supreme being. he was chosen by Him to right the wrong by the One above all himself. thanos could only lose to supreme beings if hat out of all of comics. its as simple as that. and dont try telling me that nver never lies about the powers of the new gods. when they talk of thier power figuratively he takes it literally and runs with it. i think i made my point.
Hey quanchi112 i think the only one owned by Mr Master is youMr Master
"And in the Official Bio only TOAA is more powerful than the Living Tribunal"
NO! it does not say that Mr Master, this is what it actually says(for those who cant take the time to read the scan)The Living Tribunal is a vastly powerfull conceptual being, one who has existed since the multiverse came into being.The Living Tribunals only superior is the one-above-all
Think about it if our 4 star generals only superior is the president..does that mean in a fight the president is the only one who could beat him...if the general was killed would the president be arrested because he is the only one superior to him..yeesh
And beyond the IG where does it state that in those scans? -thanos says he is all that and subserviant to no one-the IG was external and the HOTU is internal..but that is for another debate
Originally posted by starlock
It might be "crazy logic" because you are assuming-we know what happens when you assume?It would be better to say "In my opinion" which is fine and dandy,but conclusive proof is just wrong period
Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, it's speculation, because it's not "crazy". The power of the HOTI has been the only thing shown conclusively more powerful than the LT. Thanos acknowledges that he was manipulated by some unknown person (referred only to as "he"😉 into acquiring that power. Is it TOAA? Maybe, maybe not.
So just becuz something is the only thing shown to be superior to the LT,it's got to be the power of God? DO you know how infinite the power of God is? God can create a billion trillion beings and weapons who are all more poweful than The LT and keep them unknown to everyone until he see's fit, and they still wouldn't equal his power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos was manipulated by the supreme being. the living tribunal was crushed. it does state its more powerful than the gauntlet and if u dont believe it look how he beat the tribunal. meaning he was swatted away like a gnat. meaning if living tribunal was always number 2 and got crushed. then what else can u derive from that. thanos said he was manipulated the supreme being. he was chosen by Him to right the wrong by the One above all himself. thanos could only lose to supreme beings if hat out of all of comics. its as simple as that. and dont try telling me that nver never lies about the powers of the new gods. when they talk of thier power figuratively he takes it literally and runs with it. i think i made my point.
LOl you are an idiot. I never lie about anyone's power lvls . I always back up my statements with example's of power.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, it's speculation, because it's not "crazy". The power of the HOTI has been the only thing shown conclusively more powerful than the LT. Thanos acknowledges that he was manipulated by some unknown person (referred only to as "he"😉 into acquiring that power. Is it TOAA? Maybe, maybe not.
Thats reasonable ,but seriously subsitute the HOTU with lets say a Green lantern ring or blue energy source. etc,the story is the same.perhaps TOAA set thanos on the path but it does not mean the power source was his, and without proof what we have is speculation,then people say its conclusive proof which is WRONG
