Thanos with heart of universe vs darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So just becuz something is the only thing shown to be superior to the LT,it's got to be the power of God? DO you know how infinite the power of God is? God can create a billion trillion beings and weapons who are all more poweful than The LT and keep them unknown to everyone until he see's fit, and they still wouldn't equal his power.

I understand that, but for the sake of Marvel, he made the LT to be the multiversal judge of everything. Why would he create a billion trillion beings to be more powerful than his judge so is supposed to be doing his work?

All I'm saying is that nothing has been shown to be more powerful than the LT except the HOTI. It's very good speculation to think it might be TOAA's power when the LT is supposed to be 2nd only to him.

Originally posted by starlock
Thats reasonable ,but seriously subsitute the HOTU with lets say a Green lantern ring or blue energy source. etc,the story is the same.perhaps TOAA set thanos on the path but it does not mean the power source was his, and without proof what we have is speculation,then people say its conclusive proof which is WRONG

Originally posted by quanchi112
when has a green lantern ring absorbed spectre and the known dc universe? i must have missed that.

according to the one you love to quote Mr Master

It has not been shown does not mean it cant 🙂

But make up your own power source and substitute it in the story..anything just open your mind to other possibilities,i always respect others opinions,but not when i am force fed someones speculation..the problem here is Mr Master saying its conclusive proof...no -conclusive proof would be on panel refering to the HOTU as TOAA's power period.i really dont mind opinions at all 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
Thats reasonable ,but seriously subsitute the HOTU with lets say a Green lantern ring or blue energy source. etc,the story is the same.perhaps TOAA set thanos on the path but it does not mean the power source was his, and without proof what we have is speculation,then people say its conclusive proof which is WRONG

Originally posted by starlock
Thats reasonable ,but seriously subsitute the HOTU with lets say a Green lantern ring or blue energy source. etc,the story is the same.perhaps TOAA set thanos on the path but it does not mean the power source was his, and without proof what we have is speculation,then people say its conclusive proof which is WRONG

Agreed, but on the flip side, if it wasn't TOAA's power, why didn't he give the LT enough power to stop Thanos?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I understand that, but for the sake of Marvel, he made the LT to be the multiversal judge of everything. Why would he create a billion trillion beings to be more powerful than his judge so is supposed to be doing his work?

All I'm saying is that nothing has been shown to be more powerful than the LT except the HOTI. It's very good speculation to think it might be TOAA's power when the LT is supposed to be 2nd only to him.

It's not even reasonable to assume that the heart is the totality of God's power. It's even rediculous to say so if it's not stated as such. And just becuz The LT is the only BEING 2nd only to God, doesn't mean there aren't artifacts more powerful. In Marvel, it's the artifacts that rule.

Originally posted by quanchi112
reagrdless if its the One above alls power or not. he crushed living tribunal who has always been number 2 on the grand scheme of things in marvel. so as i said thanos could only lose to the One above all or the presence, anyone else he crushes like he did the living tribunal.

That's poor debating at it's worse. Just becuz The LT is 2nd in Marvel doesn't mean there are other beings who aren't more powerful than him but less powerful than God. I.E. Michael, Lucifer, Man of Miracles, Elaine, the Source are all more powerful than the LT but less than the God's of marvel or DC.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's not even reasonable to assume that the heart is the totality of God's power. It's even rediculous to say so if it's not stated as such. And just becuz The LT is the only BEING 2nd only to God, doesn't mean there aren't artifacts more powerful. In Marvel, it's the artifacts that rule.

Originally posted by quanchi112
here we go again with the dc is a better universe argument. whatever u say this power source makes thanos only able to lose to each universe supreme being actually getting involved directly. everyone else pales in comparison to thanos with this. it must irriate u that thanos is so impressive over in marvel while in dc superman kicks darkseids ass straight up. that must hurt.

Stop being an idiot and debate. What proof is there that Thanos with the Heart would beat The Source, Elaine, Michael, Man of Miracles, the Merged Spectre, or Lucifer? None. All of these beings can beat the LT so what makes Thanos's feat of defeating the LT so great?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's not even reasonable to assume that the heart is the totality of God's power. It's even rediculous to say so if it's not stated as such. And just becuz The LT is the only BEING 2nd only to God, doesn't mean there aren't artifacts more powerful. In Marvel, it's the artifacts that rule.

Really? Show me one artifact that has been shown to defeat the LT in battle.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That's poor debating at it's worse. Just becuz The LT is 2nd in Marvel doesn't mean there are other beings who aren't more powerful than him but less powerful than God. I.E. Michael, Lucifer, Man of Miracles, Elaine, the Source are all more powerful than the LT but less than the God's of marvel or DC.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Agreed, but on the flip side, if it wasn't TOAA's power, why didn't he give the LT enough power to stop Thanos?

BTW not that it matters,but i like your debating skills,at least your polite and friendly 🙂
Like i said if it was TOAA manipulating thanos..why would he stop him?
see it even makes the HOTU even less powerfull..think about it.you want thanos to accomplish somthing..do you have your minions stop him..no,you make it seem like he did it on his own,that is ..why would TOAA put thanos on a mission and stop him? if it was even TOAA

Originally posted by starlock
BTW not that it matters,but i like your debating skills,at least your polite and friendly 🙂
Like i said if it was TOAA manipulating thanos..why would he stop him?
see it even makes the HOTU even less powerfull..think about it.you want thanos to accomplish somthing..do you have your minions stop him..no,you make it seem like he did it on his own,that is ..why would TOAA put thanos on a mission and stop him? if it was even TOAA

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Really? Show me one artifact that has been shown to defeat the LT in battle.

You missed the point. Marvel has always shown that it likes powerful artifacts. While DC shows that it likes powerful beings. So the Heart just seemed to be another artifact that is discovered. Wasn't it called the heart of the infinite and part of another being at first? how is this heart all of a sudden the totality of God's power? God's power comes in the form of will, and omnicience. Of Which Thanos didn't have.

answer my question nver. are they that powerful like i asked u a few posts ago.

My view on THOTI...

TOAA = truly infinite power

And what's a fraction of infinity, [what I believe THOTI to be]? Yep, it's infinity too. 🙂

Now remember,

In Marvel there are higher and lower levels on infinity. So TOAA could have still been "more powerful" then THOTI, yet THOTI [with just a fraction of TOAA's power imo], still would have had infinite power.

Now we know for sure that LT doesn't have infinite power, [in the literal sense].... Which is why THOTI pwned his ass.

Basically the "jist" of what I am saying is,

Even though LT is second only to TOAA, that doesn't mean that a fraction of TOAA's infinite power couldn't have beaten LT. 🙂

Hope that made some sense... 😮

Originally posted by quanchi112
answer my question nver. are they that powerful like i asked u a few posts ago.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so micheal, or luc could absorb all dc characters stright up in a fight or just beat them outright. if all dc powerhouses came charging at once and these characters u mentioned were by themselves is it ur contention they could crush say darkseid,orion,speectre,superman,ion,black ada,,hal jordan,asmodel,mordru,drfate , and may other powerhouses on one battlefield. are these characters that much more powerful than all the rest of dc heavyweights?

it goes along with his theme. i hate marvel and they are weaker than dc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i see ur points, but thanos is number 2 in marvel hiercarchy with this power. that is the one conclusion we must all come up with. each might interpret this showing differently cuz it isnt stated right out in black and white but there is no arguing thanos is above tribunal here and is number 2.

I agree...
but i would be open minded in a debate if someone said...TOAA put thanos on this mission so he was going to win,no matter the powersource. also i dont believe in heirarchy's made by posters on this forum...let marvel make their own..but that is just my opinion

I believe people want one for the sake of a versus battle which is cool
Now i also beleive that ones station(title) does not equate to power in terms of who can beat who

LT for instance..in a versus battle is it not neutral ground? would he be backed up by TOAA? would he be able to do the feats he has without his faces agreeing? without TOAA sanctioning his fight?

I do not believe it is proven that LT is above the IG
It is my opinion that the starbrand can beat LT also..my opinions thats all