What Will Go Through Your Mind When You See Jesus?

Started by JesusIsAlive33 pages

Originally posted by Burning thought
"There are nine vital systems in the human body that are all necessary for the human body to function optimally. If you just remove one of those complicated systems the human body becomes impaired and/or handicapped. Yet you believe that those nine systems are a product of random, chance occurrence (you have just inadvertently affirmed that the Sistine Chapel and the most famous painting inside of it just came about by random, chance occurrence.) The human body is so complicated that it takes an individual four years of college, three years of medical school, and two years of residency just to be able to treat it. But here is the kicker: you don't get to treat the entire body because it is so complicated that even after nine to eleven long years, and hours of study, homework, exams, and more exams, you are only qualified to specialize in one area of that human body (which you believe did not require an intelligent Designer). Yet, this is the same human body that you believe just happened, on its own, without any purpose or design (how can you believe such utter, absurd, asininity? You have abandoned all logic and common sense (forget intelligence, you have left all common sense at the door). "

that sounds like your getting upset, my points are actually probably starting to make sense to you and you are trying to grip onto your beliefs.

in answer to this however your talking foolish, your the only one who starts talking about the body with random chance, this is not random chance, its genetic, from human to human, a combination of evolution over great time, and creation in the mothers womb over a year or so, nothing about the human body is random chance, also its difficult and complicated because humans need a long amount of understanding of peoples bodies so they dont end up killing people their supposed to save, but its still only a matter of reading up and study to understand it, this gives no thought or reason to believe a divine entity needed to design it, i think thousands of years evolution and genetics is more than enough. Its not always someone who "designs" to use your word, it could simply be natural processes.

"As Ross correctly observed, “there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics.” Yet evolutionary theory demands precisely such violations every step of the way, as the expansion of the “big bang” acquires information, organization, and complexity, forming itself into galaxies, stars, planets, then highly complex amino acids, proteins, DNA—essentially generating greater and greater organization, complexity, and information all by itself, and all in complete contradiction of the best established natural law known to science. "

Five Major Evolutionist Misconceptions
about Evolution
(a rebuttal of Mark Isaak’s “Five Major Misconceptions” FAQ in the Talk.Origins Archive by creationist Tim Wallace)
© 2005-2007 T. Wallace. All Rights Reserved.
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http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"As Ross correctly observed, “there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics.” [b]Yet evolutionary theory demands precisely such violations every step of the way, as the expansion of the “big bang” acquires information, organization, and complexity, forming itself into galaxies, stars, planets, then highly complex amino acids, proteins, DNA—essentially generating greater and greater organization, complexity, and information all by itself, and all in complete contradiction of the best established natural law known to science. "

So close... But the localized loss of Entropy from life and evolution is more then made up for by the increase of Entropy elsewhere.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So close... But the localized loss of Entropy from life and evolution is more then made up for by the increase of Entropy elsewhere.

The answer is black holes.

The answer is more like stars.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The answer is more like stars.

Why stars? 😕 Black hoes destroy information.

Originally posted by Burning thought
"Moreover, why do you think that doctors have to specialize in an area of the body? Why don't doctors simply become experts in all areas of the body? I mean if the human body just evolved why does it take so many years of advanced education to care for or deal with it medically or surgically? "

thats been answered really, because humans brains are not limitless balls of intellect, they can only hold some much information, if someone tried to master all aspects they could end up forgetting other parts, as well as end up damaging people through foolishness, also take into consideration the laws we spoke off earlier, it just wouldnt be fair as a job role if people could take the job of all specifications, jobs would lesson, think of the problems this would lead to.

"It does not require half as much education to repair an advanced car or complex computer. Yet you, in your wisdom and erudition (you savant you), have come to the brilliant deduction that the computer, and every other ingenious invention had to have an intelligent designer. But the idea that an all-powerful God (Who by default is all-knowing and intelligent) had anything to do with the existence of the human body with its nine complicated systems, not to mention the brain (I could write a book just on the complication of the brain alone), is completely ludicrous to you. *shakes head speechlessly* "

computers and fixing cars are difficult processes, the thing about the human body is that it [B]IS complicated, but just because someone creates something, for example a woman and man creates a child doesnt mean they know everything about it, i can build my own computer, but i dont know how every little piece works, how every chip is configuired to give me the right effects, you also have to consider the fact that these are just machines, if someone breaks a computer its just money, if a doctor kills a patient, hell not only feel worthless as a doctor but also guilty for killing someones loved one, not to menstion go to court, it needs more understanding because its not only more complicated but more is at stake if it goes wrong.

"Yet you believe that this complicated organism just came into being without an intelligent Designer? You probably own that the personal computer with all of its complication had to have a designer because it is so complex right? So then explain to me why you abandon all logic, common sense, and reason with respect to the human body and conclude that it did not need an intelligent Designer? The human brain just by itself is exceedingly more complicated than a computer (thousands of neuroscientists have admitted that even with all our technology that there is still much more to learn about the brain.) In fact, there is more that they do not know about the brain than what they do know about the brain. Computers are not even capable of thought, they simply do what they are programmed to do. Yet your brain thinks independent of any computer program, you don't need any hard rive, software, video card, sound card, mouse, monitor, printer, scanner, or keyboard to think, imagine, dream, invent, rationalize, express compassion, love, kindness, mercy, and reason. These characteristics are extremely more advanced than anything that a personal computer can do. Complicated human organisms created every single advance, complex, technological device and machine that exists on this earth and yet you believe that we have no intelligent Designer? In other words, you believe that human beings are all of a sudden exempt from the requiring an intelligent Designer? Every technology that humanity has invented came about by intelligent design. Since when is a thing that has been created more intelligent than the one who created it? "

more foolishness....look, organisms dont need designers other than Time, evolution to create the overall form and life styles, for example humans have evolved from huts, stone buildings to steel sky scrapers, its another form of evolution, not biological, but still evolution, were still evolving, our minds are evolving, were becoming the creators. The complicated nature of biological organisms is simply because they are a diffrent more difficult science rather than mechanical and electrical, all it takes is a few scientific breakthroughs to allow us to master parts of our bodies, just time and evolution my friend, learning? good good, your right its complicated, but complicated things dont need "intelligent designers" especially Godlike divinities.

"Burning thought, how else can you explain the high-level, advanced, phenomenal sophistication of the human body and the human brain (I'll be waiting)? "
i have in the last few posts, learn my friend, time AND evolution, thats all it takes, no god, no all powerful entity controlling us and creating us, simply man+woman+reproduction=human, please dont turn round and say you dont know how to have sex?, creating something is not truly difficult, just a enjoyable few hours and here we have it, the beginning of a baby (ok its not AS simple as that, it still uses time and genetics over a period of 18 months average to create, but its not too difficult is it to require a godlike being)

"Yet you believe that this complicated organism just came into being without an intelligent Designer? You probably own that the personal computer with all of its complication had to have a designer because it is so complex right? So then explain to me why you abandon all logic, common sense, and reason with respect to the human body and conclude that it did not need an intelligent Designer? The human brain just by itself is exceedingly more complicated than a computer (thousands of neuroscientists have admitted that even with all our technology that there is still much more to learn about the brain.) In fact, there is more that they do not know about the brain than what they do know about the brain. Computers are not even capable of thought, they simply do what they are programmed to do. Yet your brain thinks independent of any computer program (I'd love for you to explain how the brain does this. "

easily explained, theres chunks of your brain that over time have developed, genetics and evolution, when a baby is born it learns from its parents, the little grey cells in its mind start to understand things, the brain does this because from the beginning of time and evolution the thing has evolved, the first people to excist were not as intelligent as people of today, infact its been proven that peoples brains have become larger, finding show that there have been huminoid bone structures (possibly a missing link) that had a skull far smaller than humans but was the shape of a humans, not an ape. The Human brain once again, Time and evolution.

http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html

http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html

^ Stop random posting.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why stars? 😕 Black hoes destroy information.

Cause Entropy is more then just loss of Information...

Evolution is an orderly system, that decreases Entropy. It ultimately gets the energy to continue evolving through the sun.

Most of the suns output goes into no such orderly system as this. It just gets wasted in space, and the Star burns up all it's fuel... An increase in Entropy.

The increase in Entropy from the sun is >>>>>> The decrease in Entropy through Evolution.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html

http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html

So the only way you can try to prove your view is by trying to disprove the other? Is you view so weak that it can't stand or be proven that you have to try and find the flaws in something that already states that it doesn't know all the answers? You fail at trying to disprove this concept because you do not have a solid understanding of it so you must keep posting links to others views and trying to put together and argument that is not yours.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
So the only way you can try to prove your view is by trying to disprove the other? Is you view so weak that it can't stand or be proven that you have to try and find the flaws in something that already states that it doesn't know all the answers? You fail at trying to disprove this concept because you do not have a solid understanding of it so you must keep posting links to others views and trying to put together and argument that is not yours.

Your boy won't listen to reason so I resorted to posting links with pictures (you know picture is worth a thousand of my words).

JIA, would that mean that he led me in to heaven even though I slandered him and never believed in him being divine?

Originally posted by Bardock42
JIA, would that mean that he led me in to heaven even though I slandered him and never believed in him being divine?

No, you must believe that Jesus is divine or you will not get in. If Jesus is not divine then His blood was no different from that of a sinner. But Jesus is divine and His Blood is holy, and it has the power to wash away our sins if we ask Him to.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, you must believe that Jesus is divine or you will not get in. If Jesus is not divine then His blood was no different from that of a sinner. But Jesus is divine and His Blood is holy, and it has the power to wash away our sins if we ask Him to.
Well, in that case this hypothetical procedure, is flawed, now isn't it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, in that case this hypothetical procedure, is flawed, now isn't it?

How?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How?

I'll never see the guy.

In case I do, I would have to have a predetermined set of mind, which would greatly alter my response to him...

So, either I say something I don't mean now...or I won't say anything, right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'll never see the guy.

In case I do, I would have to have a predetermined set of mind, which would greatly alter my response to him...

So, either I say something I don't mean now...or I won't say anything, right?

Why not say what you don't mean now and research the Bible (specifically the Gospel According to John because it reveals the deity of Jesus Christ), praying and asking Jesus to reveal Who He is to you. Jesus will meet you on your level of faith even if it is not significant. Jesus will reveal Who He truly is to you I promise. The Holy Spirit is waiting to reveal Jesus Christ to you (just ask Him to).

Jesus never reveals himself to me... 🙁

He's a really good hider!

I even checked under the stairs.. Nothing!

Originally posted by Boris
Jesus never reveals himself to me... 🙁

He's a really good hider!

I even checked under the stairs.. Nothing!

I don't believe that you have ever asked Jesus to reveal Who He is to you.

No man I'm serious, I even asked today, looked in the washer.. AND the dryer... Jesus is no where to be found man. He's gone, it's time to get over it.

Ah well.

Originally posted by Boris
No man I'm serious, I even asked today, looked in the washer.. AND the dryer... Jesus is no where to be found man. He's gone, it's time to get over it.

Ah well.

Why would Jesus be in the washer or dryer?