Pre-Crisis Validus versus Thanos

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Most of Thanos's showings are PIS or people jobbing Hard.

Most of his showings are not PIS, most of his showings are not people jobbing hard. You can cry all you want, but when asked for such instances, you simply can't really point out why they are such.

Hint: Odin not choosing to erase Thanos from existence doesn't change the fact that the way he took Odin's blasts was incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming it as a FIGHT feat, since he didn't even come close to actually BEATING Odin, and Odin had the edge ALL THE TIME, but he sure as hell took those blasts and survived. And Odin sure as hell wasn't holding back while he blasted Thanos. Hence it is an amazing DURABILITY feat.

Hint: Thanos using gun at the last page of the fight against Warrior Madness Thor with Power Gem because he was bored doesn't make those ten pages before it where he went toe to toe with him any less impressive. Hence it is an amazing DURABILITY and STRENGTH feat.

Hint: The Orb Thanos held in his hands did not increase his durability or strength, the only things that I have labeled as feats against Tyrant. Again, I have never claimed that he was about to beat Tyrant. But he clearly locked hands with him and held his own, and survived every blast he threw a him. Hence it is an amazing DURABILITY and STRENGTH feat.

So tell me, where is the "jobbing" in those instances?

Why you haven't gotten these things is beyond me.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Most of his showings are not PIS, most of his showings are not people jobbing hard. You can cry all you want, but when asked for such instances, you simply can't really point out why they are such.

Hint: Odin not choosing to erase Thanos from existence doesn't change the fact that the way he took Odin's blasts was incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming it as a FIGHT feat, since he didn't even come close to actually BEATING Odin, and Odin had the edge ALL THE TIME, but he sure as hell took those blasts and survived. And Odin sure as hell wasn't holding back while he blasted Thanos.

Hint: Thanos using gun at the last page of the fight against Warrior Madness Thor with Power Gem because he was bored doesn't make those ten pages before it where he went toe to toe with him any less impressive.

Hint: The Orb Thanos held in his hands did not increase his durability or strength, the only things that I have labeled as feats against Tyrant. Again, I have never claimed that he was about to beat Tyrant. But he clearly locked hands with him and held his own, and survived every blast he threw a him.

So tell me, where is the "jobbing" in those instances?

Why you haven't gotten these things is beyond me.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why I haven't gotten these things is becuz it's a freaking debate forum and I'm entitled to my opinion. Or don't you think we should just all except things as status quo. what is the point of debate then? Huh? why not all just make a list and stick to it and leave the debates for those who have free thought. I think thanos's showings are pis. No Way Thanos can beat a full on going Thor, Gladiator, Beta Ray, Silver Surfer, and Jack of hearts the way Tyrant did. which means Tyrant was playing with Thanos or Jobbing hard. Odin should have left Thanos a stain. Period. nothing left to discuss on that one. And for you to say what the orb didn't or did do is speculative. We were never told what it did. All we know is Thanos required it to battle Tyrant.

Listen - YOU CANNOT CLAIM PIS when almost all of Thanos' showings have him surviving amazing attacks. PIS is when one fight or so goes against the grain - that is NOT the case with Thanos. You are wrong, I am sorry, but just wrong wrong wrong. You keep bringing up all of his feats as PIS or the opponent was holding back, that is WRONG. When someone does it once, then you could claim it, but when he is consistently written as being damn near indestructable, then fact is, that's how he is.

#1 - he is an Eternal. Eternals are very tough. If you don't beleive me, read the latest batch of Eternal comics and see how tough an AVERAGE Eternal is.
#2 - he is a mutant. Notice how much tougher Colussus is versus a regular human? Because he's a mutant - same thing here. Thanos is just that much tougher than even an Eternal. Galactus had to exert himself, and one blast cracked Galactus' helmet and sent him flying. Galactus has withstood an entire space armada beating on him with ultra high tech weaponry and didn't even notice it. Thanos blasted Galactus through the friggin side of his hull and bounced him hundreds of feet. Thanos beat silver surfer to death with his hands, not even exerting himself.

Thanos is no joke, and when he survive solar system destroying blasts like it's nothing, that is a good feat for his durability, end of story.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why I haven't gotten these things is becuz it's a freaking debate forum and I'm entitled to my opinion. Or don't you think we should just all except things as status quo. what is the point of debate then? Huh? why not all just make a list and stick to it and leave the debates for those who have free thought. I think thanos's showings are pis. No Way Thanos can beat a full on going Thor, Gladiator, Beta Ray, Silver Surfer, and Jack of hearts the way Tyrant did.

So?

There is no way that Spider-Man could beat down Thing like Hulk does, but *gasp* he survives against him for pages, despite not hurting Hulk at all!

That must mean that Hulk is jobbing!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
which means Tyrant was playing with Thanos or Jobbing hard.

Why? Because Thanos survived the encounter?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Odin should have left Thanos a stain. Period. nothing left to discuss on that one.

But didn't. Because Thanos has enough durability to take blasts from Odin. Compare that with HIS ENTIRE COMIC CAREER and notice that his durability has been like that for 99% of comics. He survives black holes. Planet sized explosions. Explosions from Galactus level beings. Attacks from Galactus himself. Laughs at attacks from herald level beings. Survived in the inconceivable realities. Attacks from Kosmos.

Why can't he energy blasts from Odin again?

Let's see it again. EVERY SINGLE FREAKING TIME he has gone against someone who can take out herald level people with one blasts, he has survived the encounter.

So why is 100% of his comic career PIS?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And for you to say what the orb didn't or did do is speculative. We were never told what it did. All we know is Thanos required it to battle Tyrant.

Hence you can't claim that it did anything to the strength or durability of Thanos, and when that feat is compared against other Thanos durability feats, there is nothing crazy that he survived blasts from Tyrant.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Listen - YOU CANNOT CLAIM PIS when almost all of Thanos' showings have him surviving amazing attacks. PIS is when one fight or so goes against the grain - that is NOT the case with Thanos. You are wrong, I am sorry, but just wrong wrong wrong. You keep bringing up all of his feats as PIS or the opponent was holding back, that is WRONG. When someone does it once, then you could claim it, but when he is consistently written as being damn near indestructable, then fact is, that's how he is.

#1 - he is an Eternal. Eternals are very tough. If you don't beleive me, read the latest batch of Eternal comics and see how tough an AVERAGE Eternal is.
#2 - he is a mutant. Notice how much tougher Colussus is versus a regular human? Because he's a mutant - same thing here. Thanos is just that much tougher than even an Eternal. Galactus had to exert himself, and one blast cracked Galactus' helmet and sent him flying. Galactus has withstood an entire space armada beating on him with ultra high tech weaponry and didn't even notice it. Thanos blasted Galactus through the friggin side of his hull and bounced him hundreds of feet. Thanos beat silver surfer to death with his hands, not even exerting himself.

Thanos is no joke, and when he survive solar system destroying blasts like it's nothing, that is a good feat for his durability, end of story.

Superman has better feats than thanos. And yet we all think thanos beats superman. I'm entitled to my opinion. I think thanos's feats are pis. on the part of those he fights. Odin should be able to leave Thanos as a stayne with little effort. As should have tyrant. And how come The Silver Surfer forgets half of his powers when he fights thanos. Why wass adam worlock able to turn thanos to stone and surfer can't? And how come thor can crack celestial armor and drive back galactus and can't put down Thanos? Thor goes in like an idiot swinging when he fights Thanos. Everyone jobbers to Thanos. it's ok. he's got the Superman Syndrome.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So?

There is no way that Spider-Man could beat down Thing like Hulk does, but *gasp* he survives against him for pages, despite not hurting Hulk at all!

That must mean that Hulk is jobbing!

Why? Because Thanos survived the encounter?

But didn't. Because Thanos has enough durability to take blasts from Odin. Compare that with HIS ENTIRE COMIC CAREER and notice that his durability has been like that for 99% of comics. He survives black holes. Planet sized explosions. Explosions from Galactus level beings. Attacks from Galactus himself. Laughs at attacks from herald level beings. Survived in the inconceivable realities. Attacks from Kosmos.

Why can't he energy blasts from Odin again?

Let's see it again. EVERY SINGLE FREAKING TIME he has gone against someone who can take out herald level people with one blasts, he has survived the encounter.

So why is 100% of his comic career PIS?

Hence you can't claim that it did anything to the strength or durability of Thanos, and when that feat is compared against other Thanos durability feats, there is nothing crazy that he survived blasts from Tyrant.

Yes Thanos's career is all PIS. pretty much. wrapped it up in a nutshell. Thanos isn't a skyfather at all. he's not even as powerful as the average guardian. he never displays the power lvl people say he does. he owns a couple of heralds and all of a sudden he's skyfather. Despero does that all the time. he for hell ain't skyfather lvl. Thanos career is made by his plans and power up devices. It's PIS to me to think that thanos can stand up to Odin. The same Odin who makes magical uru hammers for fun. And it's pis to me that tyrant could give galactus a hard time and yet couldn't put Thanos down. It had to be the orb. Thanos coudlnt' have done it other wise. Thanos is smart. But people make him out to be more than Superman. If you ask me, Superman letting lose is about the same As Thanos. And niether are Skyfathers. As for Thanos being an eternal mutant, doesn't matter. Odin could wipe out all the eternals with a thought if he so chose. Especially if they came to asgard. So for thanos to have a prayer is PIS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman has better feats than thanos. And yet we all think thanos beats superman. I'm entitled to my opinion. I think thanos's feats are pis. on the part of those he fights. Odin should be able to leave Thanos as a stayne with little effort. As should have tyrant. And how come The Silver Surfer forgets half of his powers when he fights thanos. Why wass adam worlock able to turn thanos to stone and surfer can't? And how come thor can crack celestial armor and drive back galactus and can't put down Thanos? Thor goes in like an idiot swinging when he fights Thanos. Everyone jobbers to Thanos. it's ok. he's got the Superman Syndrome.

Dude, stop hating on Thanos.

1st. Surfer is an idiot, but Thanos owns his ass. 2nd. Warlock had some kind of power up when he did that. 3rd. The Exitar feat was massive PIS. 4th. Thor IS an idiot. 😛

Dude, stop hating on Thanos, seriously. You're acting like Mider. 🙁

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, stop hating on Thanos.

1st. Surfer is an idiot, but Thanos owns his ass. 2nd. Warlock had some kind of power up when he did that. 3rd. The Exitar feat was massive PIS. 4th. Thor IS an idiot. 😛

Dude, stop hating on Thanos, seriously. You're acting like Mider. 🙁

Not hating. just my opinion. meh, I hate Superman. Now that is the one that bothers me. Thanos to me, is about as powerful as an above the top tier. he isn't a skyfather lvl. he's pretty tuff and pretty strong. But I doubt he could slug it out with an insane out of his mind hulk, or a superman not holding back. Just my opinion. he wins cuz people jobber to him. even Superman would jobber to him. now that is a biiiiiiiig jobber aura.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes Thanos's career is all PIS. pretty much. wrapped it up in a nutshell. Thanos isn't a skyfather at all. he's not even as powerful as the average guardian. he never displays the power lvl people say he does. he owns a couple of heralds and all of a sudden he's skyfather.

Who the f*ck claims that?

The fact that he can stand to attacks from skyfathers doesn't make him skyfather. Do you consider Juggernaut to be skyfather? 🤨

Last I remeber, Spider-Man has survived attacks from the likes of Hulk and Namor. Does that make him Class 100?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Despero does that all the time. he for hell ain't skyfather lvl. Thanos career is made by his plans and power up devices.

So upgrading himself permanently makes the feats PIS? I guess you would count every time Wolverine does something with his claws PIS? Or when Rogue uses Ms. Marvel powers, it is PIS? Or when Iron Man uses his armor, it is PIS? Or when Thor uses his hammer, it's PIS?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's PIS to me to think that thanos can stand up to Odin.

Why? Because Thanos's level of durability is portrayed the same as it is portrayed for 99% of his career?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The same Odin who makes magical uru hammers for fun. And it's pis to me that tyrant could give galactus a hard time and yet couldn't put Thanos down. It had to be the orb. Thanos coudlnt' have done it other wise.

Because he barely attacked Thanos more then two times. And Thanos even admitted that if there was more time, Tyrant would have put him down.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos is smart. But people make him out to be more than Superman.

Because he IS more then Superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you ask me, Superman letting lose is about the same As Thanos. And niether are Skyfathers. As for Thanos being an eternal mutant, doesn't matter. Odin could wipe out all the eternals with a thought if he so chose. Especially if they came to asgard. So for thanos to have a prayer is PIS.

Except that Odin used blasts. Not thoughts. Or any other reality manipulating.

Doesn't make the durability feat itself any lesser.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Who the f*ck claims that?

The fact that he can stand to attacks from skyfathers doesn't make him skyfather. Do you consider Juggernaut to be skyfather? 🤨

Last I remeber, Spider-Man has survived attacks from the likes of Hulk and Namor. Does that make him Class 100?

So upgrading himself permanently makes the feats PIS? I guess you would count every time Wolverine does something with his claws PIS? Or when Rogue uses Ms. Marvel powers, it is PIS? Or when Iron Man uses his armor, it is PIS? Or when Thor uses his hammer, it's PIS?

Why? Because Thanos's level of durability is portrayed the same as it is portrayed for 99% of his career?

Because he barely attacked Thanos more then two times. And Thanos even admitted that if there was more time, Tyrant would have put him down.

Because he IS more then Superman.

Except that Odin used blasts. Not thoughts. Or any other reality manipulating.

Doesn't make the durability feat itself any lesser.

Thanos isn't more than Superman. Sorry buddy. Feat For Feat, They are about the same. maybe in favor of Supers. Thanos has much more versatility. But I dont' think Thanos is all that over Silver Surfer or Thor. He's just got a tuff hide. But really, Odin using blast is somehow differnt than him using reality manip or thought? come on. you really wanna pull that one? Odin should have beaten Thanos with one energy packed punch. It was PIS. Unless of course, Odin isn't as powerful as people make him out to be. Then i can except that Thanos stood up to the most powerful skyfather in all of marvel. WTF.

And just out of curiosity, why do you think that Thanos's durability can't be in the level it has always been portrayed in comics?

I mean, give me just one good reason.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And just out of curiosity, why do you think that Thanos's durability can't be in the level it has [b]always been portrayed in comics?

I mean, give me just one good reason. [/B]

I dont' give a damn if he was Classic juggernaut Tuff. And that is about as tuff as you can get. Odin, Thanos, galactus, tyrant would peel classic Juggs out of his skin. Thanos doesn't have the kind of durability that classic juggs has. Thanos has a few low showings. Like a black hole and smog taking him out. he isn't absolutely invulnerable so it's rediculous to think he can stand up to an angry Odin, tyrant or anyone skyfather lvl. just too much power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos isn't more than Superman. Sorry buddy. Feat For Feat, They are about the same. maybe in favor of Supers. Thanos has much more versatility.

Feat for feat I haven't never really seen Superman beat Thanos or equal some feats.

Let's start with Thanos's planet destroying feat. Which energy feat from Superman equals it?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But I dont' think Thanos is all that over Silver Surfer or Thor. He's just got a tuff hide.

...yeah, I believe when you beat someone in one page with nothing but your fists, you are quite all over them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But really, Odin using blast is somehow differnt than him using reality manip or thought? come on. you really wanna pull that one?

..err, yes? 🤨

Obviously a huge blast of energy is different from REALITY MANIPULATING. 🤨

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Odin should have beaten Thanos with one energy packed punch. It was PIS. Unless of course, Odin isn't as powerful as people make him out to be. Then i can except that Thanos stood up to the most powerful skyfather in all of marvel. WTF.

Except that it isn't PIS, because Thanos's durability has always been portrayed to be able to stand against skyfather level energy attacks. ALWAYS. Kosmos couldn't kill him, Galactus couldn't, Galactus-clone couldn't, Tyrant couldn't, black hole couldn't, entire gas giant exploding couldn't, the freaking nexus of reality couldn't...

....so you are once again, left with nothing else then wimpy cries of "but it shooooouuuuldn'tttttt beeee!!"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' give a damn if he was Classic juggernaut Tuff. And that is about as tuff as you can get. Odin, Thanos, galactus, tyrant would peel classic Juggs out of his skin. Thanos doesn't have the kind of durability that classic juggs has. Thanos has a few low showings. Like a black hole and smog taking him out. he isn't absolutely invulnerable so it's rediculous to think he can stand up to an angry Odin, tyrant or anyone skyfather lvl. just too much power.

Yeah, and those few low showings are VASTLY OVERPOWERED by the superior ones. And he survived that black hole anyway.

And now we are judging characters by their minority of appearences? Okay, I'm guessing Despero can be hurt by sharks then. And Superman can be taken out by an exploding gas station. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Okay, I'm guessing Despero can be hurt by sharks then. 🙂

Sharks with frikin laser beams on their heads!

Ahem . . . carry on.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Feat for feat I haven't never really seen Superman beat Thanos or equal some feats.

Let's start with Thanos's planet destroying feat. Which energy feat from Superman equals it?

...yeah, I believe when you beat someone in one page with nothing but your fists, you are quite all over them.

..err, yes? 🤨

Obviously a huge blast of energy is different from REALITY MANIPULATING. 🤨

Except that it isn't PIS, because Thanos's durability has always been portrayed to be able to stand against skyfather level energy attacks. ALWAYS. Kosmos couldn't kill him, Galactus couldn't, Galactus-clone couldn't, Tyrant couldn't, black hole couldn't, entire gas giant exploding couldn't, the freaking nexus of reality couldn't...

....so you are once again, left with nothing else then wimpy cries of "but it shooooouuuuldn'tttttt beeee!!"

When coudln't galactus Not kill thanos? you mean when thanos was on his knees begging for mercy? And big G had strained to get thru the force shield that thanos had preprepped? And I stand by my opinion. Odin should have wiped the floor with thanos. He was in asgard and was using his big Gun.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Feat for feat I haven't never really seen Superman beat Thanos or equal some feats.

Let's start with Thanos's planet destroying feat. Which energy feat from Superman equals it?

...yeah, I believe when you beat someone in one page with nothing but your fists, you are quite all over them.

..err, yes? 🤨

Obviously a huge blast of energy is different from REALITY MANIPULATING. 🤨

Except that it isn't PIS, because Thanos's durability has always been portrayed to be able to stand against skyfather level energy attacks. ALWAYS. Kosmos couldn't kill him, Galactus couldn't, Galactus-clone couldn't, Tyrant couldn't, black hole couldn't, entire gas giant exploding couldn't, the freaking nexus of reality couldn't...

....so you are once again, left with nothing else then wimpy cries of "but it shooooouuuuldn'tttttt beeee!!"

get the **** outta here with that bullshit. It's my opinion. Insult all you want. i dont' have cries about anything. I gave my opinion. If you don't care for it, so the **** what. It's your right not to. But you dont' see me saying you are wimpy or crying do you?

Thanos loses. Validus is just too much strength and power wise.

So basically what you're saying nvr, is that you're going to ignore f Thanos's ENTIRE history to keep him at the level you'd prefer he be? In that case...

1. I've decided that EVERY major feat of DS's is PIS and he's not really anymore than a mid herald level character.

2. And every strength feat that would put WW at anything over a class 90 or speed feat that is faster than the speed of sound is PIS too.

Now how reasonable where those two statements?

Originally posted by darthgoober
So basically what you're saying nvr, is that you're going to ignore f Thanos's ENTIRE history to keep him at the level you'd prefer he be? In that case...

1. I've decided that EVERY major feat of DS's is PIS and he's not really anymore than a mid herald level character.

2. And every strength feat that would put WW at anything over a class 90 or speed feat that is faster than the speed of sound is PIS too.

Now how reasonable where those two statements?

1. So you're basically becoming a more literate clone of Quanchi? haermm

2. Was it Xmeat or someone else who tried to claim that? 😕