Originally posted by Gideon
Keep telling yourself that. You might end up convincing yourself, but as for the rest of us: we're not fooled. Revan is a piss-ant of a character. A powerful Sith? Oh, most assuredly, but a weak character nonetheless.
Originally posted by Gideon
I don't know which is worse: Revan fanboys or Ancient Sith fanboys. At least the Ancient Sith had defined characters.
Originally posted by Gideon
Oh, tNEC says that Revan is superior to Maul? Statement and page number, please.
Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, it is.
Originally posted by Gideon
Jango only subdued Obi-Wan thanks to quick-thinking
Originally posted by Gideon
and - even more importantly - technology and equipment vastly superior to anything in Revan's time.
Originally posted by Gideon
Hell, he couldn't even kill Obi-Wan with his damn ship.
Originally posted by Gideon
That's great.But that isn't going to help you in a melee fight, where Anakin didn't care so much for technique as opposed to downright frightening physical strength and power. Obi-Wan "knowing" Anakin meant shit.
Originally posted by Gideon
In melee combat? I think I pretty much did.
Originally posted by Gideon
You have some crappy reasoning skills.
Check this line: "Handmaiden would 0wn maul personally because hand to hand she can 0wn Reven so Maul should be easy." Now how much of sound reasoning does this comment exhibits?
Originally posted by Gideon
Maul is confirmed to have pushed his physical and Force-assisted abilities to the "utmost" to the point that he could never improve in that area, on Sidious's training regimen, which is outrageous to begin with.
And does Maul pushing himself to his limits makes him the strongest person in the Star Wars?
Originally posted by Gideon
Prove Revan equals that.
Originally posted by Gideon
...He did all of this without the Force or his lightsaber? I really do need to play KotoR again.
If Revan's character was really weak, not many people would have liked him. I however do think that more should be done on the subject of Revan and specially some Novels should be written about him.
Another example of your bullshit reasoning capabilities. People fall in love with Revan for three reasons:
a.) They're stupid.
b.) They get to play as him, a character they can invent, per se.
c.) Both a and b.
All we know about Revan is heaps of shit that other people have told us. That doesn't make a character. Conclusion: Revan (as of now) is a shadow of a character. He's a weak character.
I would like to see Revan properly defined as well.
Right. So would I. And until then, he's a piss poor character.
You misunderstood my point. I was talking about Revan's confrontation with the Mandalore: The Ultimate, whom he defeated in a hand to hand combat. And this is an important feat to acknowledge.
Get your head out of your ass. I'm tired of explaining this to everyone who things Big Bad Gideon belittles Revan simply because he thinks he's a pathetic character.
For the final time: I acknowledge Revan's power. I acknowledge his feats. I've repeated myself to you time after damn time, and it's not going to happen anymore. I've argued in Revan's defense. However, just because someone doesn't blindly subscribe to the "Revan ownz all!1!!" theory that you seem to masturbate over, doesn't mean we think he's weak.
All you do is fellate him. And even when you do say he'd lose (which is rare, I'll say) you have to constantly add that he's a "powerful" Sith Lord. That is why you look like a useless fanboy.
We shall see!
Jesus. Cheesy one-liners for 400, Alex!
Mandalorians are experienced and smart fighters, so "quick-thinking" is not something to boast about.
...Who the hell is boasting? I said the only reasons that Jango survived that encounter was because of quick-thinking, technology, and help from his son [and a ship].
This is a classic form of defence but it will not help your case.
Lmao, you are giving me pointers on my "case"? Oh shit, lol. When I said that you had Revan so far up your ass it's ruining your eyesight, I was wrong.
It's effecting so much more. Likely cutting off oxygen to your brain, giving you these vivid hallucinations of grandeur.
I must tell you that the technology in the KOTOR era was also deadly enough to cause destruction on a massive scale.
This is what I'm talking about... you have to constantly reiterate yourself with bullshit (and irrelevant) information to try to fellate your character.
Let me be plain:
There is a vast technological disparity between KotoR technology and Clone Wars technology. I'll PM Glentract because he owns this sort of thing. Vast. For example, if Revan's Empire decided to duke it out with the Confederacy or the Republic at this time, he would be annihilated.
Would it be close? Nope. Revan would get owned. KotoR technology is downright shitty compared to Clone Wars-era technology. Everything. Do you understand?
Jango's armor and weapons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandalore the Ultimate's.
And melee weapons of KOTOR era were also very deadly.
Not on par with Clone Wars-era.
It is a matter of common sense to note that Mandalore: The Ultimate was also heavily armed and took massive level of protective measures to give him edge in a combat situation.
Again, Jango's technology is vastly superior.
The fire never hit him, so there was no reason for him to get killed.
Lmao.
This is exactly why I have no damn patience with you. Did you completely miss the point? Obi-Wan forced Jango Fett to flee, despite Fett's experience, strength, skill, technology, and he had a damn ship that he tried to use against Obi-Wan and it didn't work.
Anakin's focus got limited to a certain extent due to the issue of Padme. It is already clear to us from the ROTS Novelization that Vader was not thinking clearly during his confrontattion with Obi-Wan. And additionally Obi-Wan knew him very well and this thing did helped him to a certain extent because he could easily anticipate that how Anakin will fight.
...In a lightsaber fight, because he knew Anakin's form. Did he know, to any great degree, how and what techniques Anakin was going to use in a melee brawl? Unlikely. Obi-Wan held his own because he's a damn good fighter.
In melee combat, it is possible but he cannot match Revan in terms of over-all power. Revan will destroy him in an all out fight.
Thank you for pointing out something I never contested. Do you understand?
I DID NOT SAY OBI-WAN MATCHES REVAN IN OVERALL POWER. I DIDN'T EVEN IMPLY IT. YOU TOLD ME THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO FELLATE REVAN. YOU ARE A REVAN FANBOY. YOU ARE PATHETIC.
Get it through your skull.
Wow! You do not like a statement made by me and suddenly my reasoning skills are piss poor! 🙄
Suddenly your reasoning skills are piss poor? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. They have always been that way. Have I led you to believe that you are a decent debater in our other arguments? Because I could've swore that I've held the opinion [rather, fact] that you suck completely for a long time.
Check this line: "Handmaiden would 0wn maul personally because hand to hand she can 0wn Reven so Maul should be easy." Now how much of sound reasoning does this comment exhibits?
About as much as you do.
And according to your assertion, only Maul could do that? And no other person in the entire Star Wars universe could?
Lmao, did I say that? Did I even imply it? No. I simply said it's bullshit to think that Revan automatically did this because it isn't common. You have to prove he's on Maul's level.
Oh wait. You can't.
And does Maul pushing himself to his limits makes him the strongest person in the Star Wars?
Did I say that? No.
He put his physical and Force-assisted abilities to the utmost. Meaning he pushed himself to his maximum capacity as far as martial arts, physical strength, speed, agility, and technique. He could literally not improve at all in this area. That is how good he was.
What kind of skills do you think would be required to destroy an entire army of heavily armed warriors in a long @ss confrontation throughout the Star Forge?
Impressive strength in the Force and decent skills with a lightsaber, which I never denied Revan had. We're talking about melee skills. Take Revan out of your ass and look clearly!
I do not know that how he did it but he did it.
So, basically, what you just said was a waste of text space for the only purpose of fellating Revan.
That doesn't surprise me.
Amen to what you said Gideon. 😆 And I am a Revan fan,and SW from what I and many others see is that u over exaggerate Revan's feats when you compare him to other characrers. 🙁 That is the only thing I hate about him is half the Revan fans I meet seem to say he WTFPWNS everyone else. Me, I would base most of my arguement on what we do know not speculating on how he did some almost meaningless things like killing two terentateks.
As far as this thread goes Maul is superior physically,he's dam fast,I have seen nothing here that doesn't say he could use the force on himself. Plus most of the info on the handmaiden is not canon cause she only joins your party when you are playing a male which is the non canon gender. So I would say Maul wins comfortably.
Ok, i have to say 2 things, and i also like revan but:
1) To the Revan haters, at least agree that he was one great ancient sith/jedi, so stop with all the downplay you seem to trying to do with him.
2) To the Revan fans, i think i am getting sick to see his name in so many threads... Also, to not overpower Revan is required please, the man was not a force god...
Now, shall we speak about Maul and Handmaiden, shall we?
Originally posted by kamhal
Ok, i have to say 2 things, and i also like revan but:1) To the Revan haters, at least agree that he was one great ancient sith/jedi, so stop with all the downplay you seem to trying to do with him.
2) To the Revan fans, i think i am getting sick to see his name in so many threads... Also, to not overpower Revan is required please, the man was not a force god...
Now, shall we speak about Maul and Handmaiden, shall we?
Originally posted by kamhal
I was not talking to anyone directly, i just want that this revan's waves from fanboysm from one side and hate from the other to simply stop...
This is not even a Revan thread for god's sake, and i personally think this is killing this forum...Maul wins by the way.
Make them stop please make them stop! These Revan Fanboys give the real Revan fans(people who don't overrate such as myself) a bad name.
Even if his name is mentioned once the discussion turns to him like here.
Handmaiden would 0wn maul personally because hand to hand she can 0wn Reven so Maul should be easy
Then SW posts this.
In the TNEC, it is stated that Revan defeated Mandalore - The Ultimate in a hand to hand combat.
Now we are talking about Revan dammit. I say Revan=(in name only)to He Who Must Not Be Named. Every time he is mentioned bad things happen. 🙁
Originally posted by Darth Hord
It is SW Legend who makes you and others downplay Revan a little cause he overates him so f*ckin much. I would probably do the same thing if it was a different character.
Hello? I am not among those who say that Revan > all, but there are some people who are jealous of this character and try to under-rate him where ever possible.
Just look at this comment: "Handmaiden will OWN Revan in a hand to hand combat" - Not even funny! 🙄
Originally posted by Darth Hord
That statement is enough to answer my question I had aswell as the thread starters opinion but then he posts about Yusanis which is clearly unnecessary especially since the details of the battle is unknown.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I over-rate Revan?Hello? I am not among those who say that Revan > all, but there are some people who are jealous of this character and try to under-rate him where ever possible.
Just look at this comment: "Handmaiden will OWN Revan in a hand to hand combat" - Not even funny! 🙄
I've seen in your arguments elsewhere and you have used revan killing two terentaks in however you don't know how it happened or if he even faught them as Advent said you could just run by them. It is stuff like that the is annoying to many of us here because there is no proof.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I mentioned Yusanis as a [b]cautionary example to tell some people that Revan have fought against him and killed him. Now I do know that we do not know the details about this fight but we cannot deny the possibility of Yusanis using all of his skills in this fight against his enemy. [/B]
You had an example of hand to hand which was the mandalore the ultimate then you added this one which is unneccessary because it was single single combat which means Revan would have an advantage due him being able to you use the force if need be. This example was unnecessary and is getting off topic (Maul vs Handmaiden) and is what I and others might says was an excess of Revan info. That started this debate about Revan which= to Revan bashing because you changed the debate and from what it seemed pissed of Gideon.(and alot of others not just on this particular thread)
Originally posted by Darth Hord
You had an example of hand to hand which was the mandalore the ultimate then you added this one which is unneccessary because it was single single combat which means Revan would have an advantage due him being able to you use the force if need be. This example was unnecessary and is getting off topic (Maul vs Handmaiden) and is what I and others might says was an excess of Revan info. That started this debate about Revan which= to Revan bashing because you changed the debate and from what it seemed pissed of Gideon.(and alot of others not just on this particular thread)
This thread was supposed to be about Maul but Revan was sucked in as well right from the start.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat doesnt mean mandalore was the ultimate fighter for 4000 years. And revan taking him down? So what? In the first place the "ultimate in h2h" was of his time, not of all time as nothing indicates that. Maul on the other hand has displayed extreme fighting skills which prehaps are greater than than of the echani and the mandalorians since he pushed his skills to the limit. Question has mandalore even pushed his body to the limit? I doubt so and his fighting style may even be inferior to mauls
Do check this comment: "In the TNEC, it is stated that Revan defeated Mandalore - The Ultimate in a hand to hand combat."Now think again!