I was called a ____ this morning by a ______ in the U.S. in 2007, for no reason

Originally posted by Robtard
I am not ignoring.

So you agree that words in themselves are just words or no?

If you don't really buy into it, why bring it up? It should be as it is; a non-issue.

this is not a question of "words in themselves" (i'm actually not even sure what you mean by that), but more that a word was said with intent and received as such.

and i bring it up because it's the closest thing i am aware of to articulating the concept in question. are you denying that a white man referring to a black man as a n*gger is more meaningful (note: not more racist, more meaninful) than a black man referring to a white man as a cracker? if so, i have an excellent word for you, "in itself": obstinate.

Originally posted by manorastroman
this is not a question of "words in themselves" (i'm actually not even sure what you mean by that), but more that a word was said with intent and received as such.

and i bring it up because it's the closest thing i am aware of to articulating the concept in question. are you denying that a white man referring to a black man as a n*gger is more meaningful (note: not more racist, more meaninful) than a black man referring to a white man as a cracker? if so, i have an excellent word for you, "in itself": obstinate.

There you go, the intent is what matters not the word itself; that's what I've been saying all along.

They are both equal (previously stated) as they are both being used to insult/harm/demean another. What part of that can't you grasp?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston, I hopped on the half-empty train headed for class and while on standing, moments later, all while minding my own business, with my bookbag, hands in my pocket, looking at and reading an ad with flyers attached to it, this burly White guy, who must've been in his mid-40's with a Red Sox cap on, starts mumbling, while every so often taking gulps of his ginger-ale soda, says "fcukin' n*gg*r." I turned my head to look at him, then look around, then back at him, with one raised eyebrow, unsure if that's what he really said and so he took another slow swig of his drink while looking at me then looking away; put his drink down and said "you heard what i said, what are you gonna do about it?" while still looking away. He then continued to mumble away at something else; never establishing eye contact with me again.

As the train pulled-up at my stop, i stood in front of the train doors, blood boiling, pissed as fcuk, but not showing it, I'm ready to get off and i hear a voice tell from the side saying, "You were the bigger man." I turned and saw some Spanish guy, telling me this, and i said, "you noticed?" and he said "yea, wow" then I said "it's ok" when it fckin' wasn't. We got off the train and he goes "you did the right thing by ignoring that a-hole" And i'm like, in my mind, "man, leave me the fcuk alone, man." while telling him not to worry about it. We then went our own separate ways.

I'll admit, i wasn't myself coming in. I'm not racist against Whites but every White person I've seen so far today had a bullseye on their face that i wanted to punch a bloody hole through. I guess i'm ok now..I still don't think all Whites are racist, but why is this stuff still going on? Why is this stuff still happening to me...in 2007, in the U.S. I mean, I didn't do anything to that guy.

You should've whooped his ass, homes. I cant believe you that fool get away with that; I'd make sure that he remembered my face really well after making that ****-up.

¿Qué pensaba usted, guey?

Originally posted by Robtard
They are both equal (previously stated) as they are both being used to insult/harm/demean another. What part of that can't you grasp?

They're not equally as offensive. Call a White person a cracker and they'll just scoff it off. They know theyre White and the dominant race, and that gives them comfort and security.

And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

Damn fine point.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You should've whooped his ass, homes. I cant believe you that fool get away with that; I'd make sure that he remembered my face really well after making that ****-up.

¿Qué pensaba usted, guey?

They're not equally as offensive. Call a White person a cracker and they'll just scoff it off. They know theyre White and the dominant race, and that gives them comfort and security.

And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

That means nothing....it depends on the person. Hood Black people call eachother n*gger all the time...it means nothing. Only when it comes from a white person, or a white-looking Hispanic does it suddenly ring up hurt.

Only when it's meant as an insult does it hurt.

If a white person finds the term cracker hurtful, then it's just as bad as calling a black person a n*gger.

Why a white person would care is a whole other story, however.....

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'm not racist against Whites

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

They're not equally as offensive. Call a White person a cracker and they'll just scoff it off. They know theyre White and the dominant race, and that gives them comfort and security.

Is that because it's fact or because you think "white people" should just not be offended at racism directed at them because they are white? Dominant race... LOL

Originally posted by Quiero Mota And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

Exactly, damn "fine point"; it's called a double standard and it's pure B.S.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You should've whooped his ass, homes. I cant believe you that fool get away with that; I'd make sure that he remembered my face really well after making that ****-up.

¿Qué pensaba usted, guey?

Llo le queria pegar, duro, pero no. No lo hice. I'm not like, man. To just suddenly wail on someone for a name call. I could see if i was physically threatened, but na. No valio la pena, mano. Adema, llo creo, que el estabe borracho, hablandole disparate al piso. So I just let it go.

no biggie.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
They're not equally as offensive. Call a White person a cracker and they'll just scoff it off. They know theyre White and the dominant race, and that gives them comfort and security.

And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Looking at your posts on KMC, you are.

I ask you, why are you telling us? Don't we get enough of your bitching?

w/e man. And i already answered that question in a previous post, lordy.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Llo le queria pegar, duro, pero no. No lo hice. I'm not like, man. To just suddenly wail on someone for a name call. I could see if i was physically threatened, but na. No valio la pena, mano. Adema, llo creo, que el estabe borracho, hablandole disparate al piso. So I just let it go.

no biggie.

Answer honestly... if the guy had not been "burly", say he was a skinny frail looking guy you knew without a doubt you could beat into a pulp; would you have said something back?

Originally posted by Strangelove
The words themselves are equally offensive in their intent. The difference is that black people choose to take offense at the word ****** because they have attached a meaning to it that they pretend means something to them. Like Rob said, no one alive today has had anything to do with slaves. Most black people alive today were barely alive during the Civil Rights Era either. So why do they continue to attach a meaning to it? To exploit white guilt.

If we want to explore this topic fully we have to go into all sorts of issues I am too lazy to explain, but you do have a good point.

I am black and honestly, American black people are the most racist people, in my opinion. For all the crap we complain about, we continue to do things to screw each other over without trying to keep our culture sacred; American black people do not know who they are but claim to be kings and queens when no lineage may be traced back. Worse, they know few actual historical facts to back such claims , and that's dangerous and leads to reverse racism(there is truth to it but again, I'm too lazy to explain).

There is no logical defense to explain why we call each other ****** but here's an excerpt of something I wrote a while back:

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"One more quick thought. Hip hop is dead. When someone makes a song that says, “I'm hot cause I'm fly. You ain't cause you not” and people bop to it... yea. I keep hearing the “I don't listen to the words, it's just the music” argument. Ok, well that's everyone so why don't they just play instrumentals? When I ask that I don't get an answer, they just repeat “I don't listen to the words, it's just the music.” The answer is they are trying to brainwash you, keep you stupid. Now understand what I'm saying – the brainwash is not scientifically complex at all. I just mean to say that it's to make you numb to stupid shit. Why do you say ******? Because you are numb to it despite knowing what it's original context is. I say it on occasion 2, I'm just numb to it and that's despite seriously being called a ******. I'm trying to get to the point of not saying it because it is circular reasoning to try and make it alright to say ESPECIALLY when we are supposed to be the future.

The first time your child says, “Nigga!” what are you going to say? “It's ok around black people.” That's dumb. My parents never told me that, but my peers always said it. The problem was summed up in something else I wrote:

“A man can never do as he believes because he is surrounded by those who believe as he does but who do not follow their creed by example. All talk.”

I'll close there

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I agree with Strangelove, but it goes both ways. There's "white guilt" but there is also "white privilege." Until everyone quits acting as if stuff is "fixed" we will never be able to properly talk about race.

Originally posted by Robtard
Answer honestly... if the guy had not been "burly", say he was a skinny frail looking guy you knew without a doubt you could beat into a pulp; would you have said something back?

If he was a small, skinny guy than, to me, that'd be more of a reason not to hit him. I won't fight someone who i can easily beat up. However if a person like that became a constant nuisance or irritant, at most, i'd just slap him silly or slam the sh* outta him, but to beat him up, na. C'mon. That's not very manly. I always though beating someone up who you know is absolutely no match for you is just as cowardly as hitting a women is.

Now this burly guy, i know i would've taken him on. He look tired, semi-depressed, kinda drunk, he was showing some grays with a belly that looked 4 months pregnant. All i thought about was all the attention i would've attracted if i'd'a gone at this guy, and i hate big scenes, but i was in no way afraid to fight him, it's just, it wasn't worth it to me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Answer honestly... if the guy had not been "burly", say he was a skinny frail looking guy you knew without a doubt you could beat into a pulp; would you have said something back?

Opps, i misread.

Would I have said something back if he was a smaller guy? I would've just waited to see what else he'd say (or do) just like i did with the big guy.

It depends on the outcome. If the skinny guy continued on and on with me i would said some thing back. Just like with the bigger guy. If he would've kept on i would've react or responded but he didn't do that. He looked away. And didn't say anything else and just kept on mumbling. But had the big guy (or skinny guy) had gotten up, talking like that, i'd'a instantly lock into defense mode to ready myself for anything.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston, I hopped on the half-empty train headed for class and while on standing, moments later, all while minding my own business, with my bookbag, hands in my pocket, looking at and reading an ad with flyers attached to it, this burly White guy, who must've been in his mid-40's with a Red Sox cap on, starts mumbling, while every so often taking gulps of his ginger-ale soda, says "fcukin' n*gg*r." I turned my head to look at him, then look around, then back at him, with one raised eyebrow, unsure if that's what he really said and so he took another slow swig of his drink while looking at me then looking away; put his drink down and said "you heard what i said, what are you gonna do about it?" while still looking away. He then continued to mumble away at something else; never establishing eye contact with me again.

As the train pulled-up at my stop, i stood in front of the train doors, blood boiling, pissed as fcuk, but not showing it, I'm ready to get off and i hear a voice tell from the side saying, "You were the bigger man." I turned and saw some Spanish guy, telling me this, and i said, "you noticed?" and he said "yea, wow" then I said "it's ok" when it fckin' wasn't. We got off the train and he goes "you did the right thing by ignoring that a-hole" And i'm like, in my mind, "man, leave me the fcuk alone, man." while telling him not to worry about it. We then went our own separate ways.

I'll admit, i wasn't myself coming in. I'm not racist against Whites but every White person I've seen so far today had a bullseye on their face that i wanted to punch a bloody hole through. I guess i'm ok now..I still don't think all Whites are racist, but why is this stuff still going on? Why is this stuff still happening to me...in 2007, in the U.S. I mean, I didn't do anything to that guy.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And about the whole equal argument, notice how the N-word is censored on this website as well as on T.V. and radio, where as cracker ain't.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
They're not equally as offensive.

-AC

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston...

You did the right thing. Pity that other guy; he's not happy in his world.

How would cracker be censored? What if someone was merely talking about a real cracker, like Ritz or Wheat Thins, censoring that word wouldn't allow for such talk, and I think we can all agree, that would be a great loss.

Originally posted by Mindship
You did the right thing. Pity that other guy; he's not happy in his world.

Agreed. Any kind of prejudice is a bad thing.

-FO!!

Originally posted by BackFire
How would cracker be censored? What if someone was merely talking about a real cracker, like Ritz or Wheat Thins, censoring that word wouldn't allow for such talk, and I think we can all agree, that would be a great loss.

Well, I can see that, but about censoring ******, I wonder what happens if someone would want a discussion about black people?