Originally posted by vandergirl
Lord Urizen,(Quiero Mota...he's an overweight Mexican...of course he's been through sh*t like this before)
This didn't need to be said you say you are feeling bad about how fistofthenorth had is feeling hurt but you didn't hesitate in possibly hurting someone else's.
You are not right
You honestly think I took offense to that??
Originally posted by vandergirl
Lord Urizen,(Quiero Mota...he's an overweight Mexican...of course he's been through sh*t like this before)
This didn't need to be said you say you are feeling bad about how fistofthenorth had is feeling hurt but you didn't hesitate in possibly hurting someone else's.
You are not right
Quiero Mota and I know eachother already....he doesn't get insulted by things like that, the same way I couldn't care less if someone called me f@g....
Originally posted by FeceMan
Urizen: calm yourself.The guy was obviously mentally ill.
How do you know I am not calm ?
Secondly, FistoftheNorth was in obvious pain over this, and you were quick with you accusations about how he is trying to demonize white people....why can't you ever just be the bigger man ?
Originally posted by vandergirl
Lord UrizenOk so you just made my earlier post a reality, You don't mind when certain friends call you a f@g but if a stranger called you one you would be pi**ed.
This is why racism still exists, because according to some people certain words are ok to use with friends..........not a good idea!
The vulgarity of words is based on intention.
A white man calling black man "boy" could be considered very vulgar 40 years ago.
The word shouldn't be used but the above comment should be kept in mind
Originally posted by vandergirl
Lord UrizenOk so you just made my earlier post a reality, You don't mind when certain friends call you a f@g but if a stranger called you one you would be pi**ed.
This is why racism still exists, because according to some people certain words are ok to use with friends..........not a good idea!
My freinds don't call me a [email protected] totally misunderstood my point.
Strangers HAVE called me "homo", "f@g", tons of homophobic names. I've also been lashed with racial slurs ranging from serious slurs such as Spic to playful slurs such as Guido....
I couldn't care less....I don't give a sh*t if someone calls me any of those things, because I am completely proud of all of those things that I am. Any person who sees me being Gay, Hispanic, and/or Italian as a negative is a person of worthless standards, and I see it as no true issue.
SAme with Quiero Mota...you think he gives a shit if someone calls him a fat Mexican ? He is proud of who and what he is, and no one and nothing will make him feel any less.....
I think the difference between myself and FistoftheNorth is that I am not bombarded with racism and homophobia that often. FistoftheNorth is....the reason I can tolerate those stupid names is because people have also loved me for being Gay, Sp*c and Guido.....I have been complimented and flattered MORE for who I am, than I have been insulted.
Fist lives in a predominantly racist area. That's unfortunate, but everything that he is exposed to will have definate influence on his self esteem and emotional being....it's not his fault.
If I faced that multitude of discrimination, I'd be in muchh worse shape than I am today.
Let's keep in mind that just because because fist lives in a predominantly racist area doesn't mean he deals with it everyday. Besides he just post this forum just shortly ago because he was shocked which clearly states (shocked=surprised) that it doesn't happen all the time to him.
And Still ............................
This is why all forms of racism still exists, because according to some people certain words are ok to use with friends..........not a good idea!
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Secondly, FistoftheNorth was in obvious pain over this, and you were quick with you accusations about how he is trying to demonize white people....why can't you ever just be the bigger man ?
Originally posted by vandergirl
Let's keep in mind that just because because fist lives in a predominantly racist area doesn't mean he deals with it everyday. Besides he just post this forum just shortly ago because he was shocked which clearly states (shocked=surprised) that it doesn't happen all the time to him.And Still ............................
This is why all forms of racism still exists, because according to some people certain words are ok to use with friends..........not a good idea!
Well I kinda agree but ethnostress is a sort of racism
Originally posted by FeceMan
No, because you look for any opportunity to demonize whites.
I didn't want to say anything, but I wonder if that guy picked up on your (first of the norths) THOUGHTS or your facial expression...you'll be surprised how much of our own private thoughts that leaks out either as someone else's intuition or your facial expression leaks out as a projected thought or emotional response to someone, that's why you can be upset at your computer, have the same expression of frustration and someone can easily think you are upset at them....again, your thoughts or facial expression may have rung really loud.
Originally posted by manorastroman
are you really stupid, or do you just disagree? because intent is very much not the whole deal, that's the whole point i've been trying to make. do honestly believe that the way a word is received has no effect on it's meaning, that only intent matters? actually, the two options i provided coincide in this case; it's stupidly obvious to just about everybody that, though black--->white slurs are just as racist as white---->black slurs, they aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of meaning.i want you to state it very plainly. say specifically that you find the two cases equally MEANINGFUL, not just "equal". because they are equal in many respects. just not the most meaningful one, being, somewhat ironically, meaning.
Ah.. resorting to petty insults, are we getting desperate as it's obvious I disagree with you hence the debate. Duh.
Let me ask you a question, why does a black person not get upset/it's not seen as an insult when another black person calls them a "n!gger"?
I couldn't care less what you want me to do, I answered your question twice now; if you don't like the answer because it doesn't flow with what you're foolishly trying to prove it isn't my fault.
Words are just words, the intent behind them is what makes them insulting, not the word itself or how someone recieves it. According to your logic, if I called someone "corn" and they "received" it offensively they'd I'd be in the wrong, when actually they'd be an idiot to do so as my intent to insult was not present.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ah.. resorting to petty insults, are we getting desperate as it's obvious I disagree with you hence the debate. Duh.Let me ask you a question, why does a black person not get upset/it's not seen as an insult when another black person calls them a "n!gger"?
I couldn't care less what you want me to do, I answered your question twice now; if you don't like the answer because it doesn't flow with what you're foolishly trying to prove it isn't my fault.
Words are just words, the intent behind them is what makes them insulting, not the word itself or how someone recieves it. According to your logic, if I called someone "corn" and they "received" it offensively they'd I'd be in the wrong, when actually they'd be an idiot to do so as my intent to insult was not present.
i'm not getting desperate, i'm getting frustrated. mostly because you're using pure simplification and rhetoric, forgetting that this is a real world issue, not a logic-based one. i'm not disagreeing with you on the issue of intent being important, but you have to recognize the equal importance of reception. it's not a question of logic; it's a question of fact. the corn comparison is irrelevant because nobody is offended by the word corn. people are however more offended by the word n*gger than by the word cracker--this is a fact. the only logical explanation for this fact is that reception does, in fact, have something to do with a word, along with meaning and intent. though the intent of cracker is the same, the meaning and reception are universes apart from n*gger.
and you wouldn't be in the wrong, but the corn thing would force you to recognize the importance of reception, at least.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i'm not getting desperate, i'm getting frustrated. mostly because you're using pure simplification and rhetoric, forgetting that this is a real world issue, not a logic-based one. i'm not disagreeing with you on the issue of intent being important, but you have to recognize the equal importance of reception. it's not a question of logic; it's a question of fact. the corn comparison is irrelevant because nobody is offended by the word corn. people are however more offended by the word n*gger than by the word cracker--this is a fact. the only logical explanation for this fact is that reception does, in fact, have something to do with a word, along with meaning and intent. though the intent of cracker is the same, the meaning and reception are universes apart from n*gger.and you wouldn't be in the wrong, but the corn thing would force you to recognize the importance of reception, at least.
1) You didn't answer my question:
"Let me ask you a question, why does a black person not get upset/it's not seen as an insult when another black person calls them a "n!gger"?"
2) Reception is irrelevant, it's a double standard and it's B.S.. If a Black Man calls a White Man "Cracker" with all the intent to insult and harm as a White Man calling a Black Man a "N!gger", why is one lesser when the intent to insult/harm is the same? Would a Black Man calling a Latino a "Dirty Wetb@ck" differ, and how so? How about a Latino calling a Chinese Man a "Slant eyed ch!nk", and how so?
3) The corn scenario was to point out how trivial "reception" is.
i answered your question of by way of acknowledging the importance of intent; the black man is not offended because there was no intent of harm.
just because it's a double standard and BS (which i agree with) doesn't make it irrelevent. clearly it's not irrelevant or trivial, because it is fact that n*gger is a more incindiary term than cracker. i agree it's baloney (to an extent...there is the whole racial history of the term. and then the white privilege thing i only one tenth buy into), but thems the facts. all i've been saying is that reception and meaning (200 years of racial history and all) is the cause of the double standard.
you can't ignore the facts just because they're illogical (weird as that sounds).
"why is one lesser?" i've been answering that question this whole time. context, meaning, and reception. words are very complex, and certainly not just intent.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i answered your question of by way of acknowledging the importance of intent; the black man is not offended because there was no intent of harm.just because it's a double standard and BS (which i agree with) doesn't make it irrelevent. clearly it's not irrelevant or trivial, because it is fact that n*gger is a more incindiary term than cracker. i agree it's baloney (to an extent...there is the whole racial history of the term. and then the white privilege thing i only one tenth buy into), but thems the facts. all i've been saying is that reception and meaning (200 years of racial history and all) is the cause of the double standard.
you can't ignore the facts just because they're illogical (weird as that sounds).
Well, glad we can agree on that, the "intent".
No, it's not a fact, it's a fact that people try and make one word a greater insult than another. But factually they're both just words and intent is what gives them the power to insult/harm. Take the intent away and they're both just words.
The racial history argument is B.S., as noted; no one alive today had anything to do with slavery, and "white privilege" is a joke in this day and age.
You want me to agree with something that has no reasoning, validity, relevance or propriety? Sorry, but as Spock says, "That would be illogical."
BTW:
"If a Black Man calls a White Man "Cracker" with all the intent to insult and harm as a White Man calling a Black Man a "N!gger", why is one lesser when the intent to insult/harm is the same?"
Is the Black Man's intent somehow lesser?