Originally posted by Rewmac
More,more and more...Give it to him baby...Aha-aha...
I think once I started bustin out the Proof, those jokes were shut down. 😬
You want the Zemo scans?
I figured after proving that Atlas was getting stomped,
Genis didn't want to hurt KT, heck KT was in awe of Genis
I figured yall wouldn't need more, but if you do, holla.
Originally posted by Rewmac
It's funny because if Genis has soooo much power of his own why was his dumped those times?
I don't know what this means.
Originally posted by Rewmac
If he can destroy the universe that means he is somewhere on Galactus level or higher...And that is just dumb.
It may be "dumb" to you, but it is what it is.
Genis and Entropy destroyed the Multiverse.
Genis on his own has destroyed the Universe and all it's possible futures in a further timeline.
Genis has blinked the Universe in and out of existence, (when his potential accelerated during HOM)
Those are the big feats.
His Omniversal Awareness, completes his "Godhood"
Someone said Rick Jones said, Surfer can beat Genis,
interesting, because Rick Jones compares Genis to "God" ....
Originally posted by Rewmac
But he was attacked a lot of times without knowing what's going to happen.
Not once he mastered his Cosmic Awareness.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Even he can't know everything. Surfer just popps out of nothing and PC blasts him.
But Genis does know everything, that's what made him go insane initially.
Imagine knowing every bad thing that will happen to every good person in Creation, this was too much to bare for him, because he could not save everyone at once.
Genis is Omniscient but not Omnipresent.
Originally posted by Rewmac
When was this anyway along with the multiverse destruction...
That is the Multiverse destruction incident.
Entropy asked Captain Marvel to help him kill Eternity in #5:
The Multiversal Big Bang (Entropy) asks Genis for help,
in Killing the Totality of Eternity (the Multiverse)
"Entropy at Your Service"
"I could ... use Your Help"
On the Backside of the Front Cover next issue #6:
"ENTROPY is the Son of,
Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...
Entropy has enlisted Captain Marvel in a Quest to Destroy His Father,
... Eternity and End All Creation"
This may not be solid enough, since it's the "Backside of the Front Cover"
So Now the On Panel Proof:
NEXT POST ...
ON PANEL:
The Microverse is IN an entirely separate Universe Outside the 616 Reality/Universe:
More Proof:
The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,
the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.
"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"
The MAKERS brought Souls from all the UniverseS of the MUTLI-VERSE
into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED, to give it meaning:
More proof they RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, in their OWN, and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE, which they also created:
"They Remade the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"
So if we KNOW the Microverse is part of a Universe separate from the 616 Universe/Reality,
then we know what this means:
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the MICROVERSE"
If the Universe the MAKERS re-created (Outside of 616) was erased,
then the "Backside of the Front Cover" wasn't hyperboling,
and indeed, the Multiverse was destroyed.
I also said,
it seemed Genis was getting most of the credit:
Entropy gets his props too, but Genis gets more:
Atleast that's the way the Writer structured it,
it's still 50/50 IMO.
"right before I (Genis) crushed him ... like this"
"Entropy and I (Genis) were busy ending everything"
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"
"You (Genis) destroy life at a Whim ... You're (Genis) not God"
Genis replies,
Of course I am ... Haven't you been paying attention to MY (Genis) acts?"
"Entropy you've ended all that is ... Well ... WE (Genis & Entropy) did"
So Photon009, since Genis is basically a universal destroyer then why start this thread?
I mean you keep talking about him killing Eternity and all this, if he is sooo far above Silver Surfer, and you also believe Sentry is above SS (I think you said that) then why did you make this stupid thread.
Isn't it the definition of a spite thread when you ask a question and argue one side, calling people who disagree "dumb."
Honestly if I started a thread that was "Eternity and Thanos vs. SS Stardust and Firelord" wouldn't you think that was pretty dumb?
Also in reference to Sentry owning Terrax faster than anyone, SS did exile him in basically one or two panels (including the flight to whatever planet that was). I have not read that New Warriors in a while, but seem to remember it.
And also SS can destory multiple planets at once.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNow keep in mind, I haven't read the comic, but I'll take a shot at your scans here...
Atlas didn't tap shitAtlas was catching a beat down,
when Genis decided to help this Universe he had just blinked in and out of existence.
Genis ripping Time and Space around Atlas:
Jolsten could have killed Genis, through the pain receptor Rick Jones uses on Genis, a weakness that plagues Genis due to his connection to Rick.
Instead Genis comes up with the Bioagent plan:
Atlas NEVER had a chance against Genis, in fact, like I said before,
Genis is allowing all this:
As I have never denied this happened. I just said that Atlas beat Genis from behind, did he not?
Or is that a different comic?
The second one seems like it's talking about him slowing down his power acceleration.
Plus, it also seems like that if he used it, he would be executed...
As I have never denied. Just that Atlas beat him down, did he not?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
As I have never denied this happened. I just said that Atlas beat Genis from behind, did he not?
Or is that a different comic?
There's a reason Atlas was able to sucker punch him, though it had little affect.
Genis immediately pawnd him.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The second one seems like it's talking about him slowing down his power acceleration.
Plus, it also seems like that if he used it, he would be executed...
Actually, he's talking about the Pain Receptor naturally built into Genis, it's Rick's only weapon incase Genis goes wacko and wants to destroy all Reality.
Genis said if he's killed by it, his powers will accelerate to the point where the enitre Universe will cease to exist, and that means no more Reality since Genis would be dead and not able to bring it back.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
As I have never denied. Just that Atlas beat him down, did he not?
Right before the sucker punch, Genis was losing control because he was affected by Wanda's Reality Warp like everyone else in the 616 Universe:
Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence:
"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
"We must find him soon, OR...
"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two for 500 Kilometers:
In the grip of this malady, then came Atlas out of nowhere.
Then Atlas got handled and split in Two aswell.
Genis allowed himself to be defeated.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI'm not going to go through this, but I will say this:
There's a reason Atlas was able to sucker punch him, though it had little affect.Genis immediately pawnd him.
Actually, he's talking about the Pain Receptor naturally built into Genis, it's Rick's only weapon incase Genis goes wacko and wants to destroy all Reality.
Genis said if he's killed by it, his powers will accelerate to the point where the enitre Universe will cease to exist, and that means no more Reality since Genis would be dead and not able to bring it back.
Right before the sucker punch, Genis was losing control because he was affected by Wanda's Reality Warp like everyone else in the 616 Universe:
Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence:
"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
"We must find him soon, OR...
"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two for 500 Kilometers:
In the grip of this malady, then came Atlas out of nowhere.
Then Atlas got handled and split in Two aswell.
Genis allowed himself to be defeated.
I thought Genis could see everything in the future, past, and present.
Why in the f*ck would anyone be able to get the drop on him? He should have known he was going to get sucker punched, and yet...
Plus, shouldn't Atlas have been affected by Wanda as well?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I'm not going to go through this, but I will say this:I thought Genis could see everything in the future, past, and present.
Why in the f*ck would anyone be able to get the drop on him? He should have known he was going to get sucker punched, and yet...
You reposted by Post and yet must've not read it. 😠
Review it again, the answer is there.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plus, shouldn't Atlas have been affected by Wanda as well?
So?
It was Genis that was greatly affected, because it was messing with his Cosmic Awareness.
Genis felt (through his Cosmic Awareness) that Reality wasn't right (Wanda's Warp) but couldn't get the fix on it, his Cosmic Awareness is such, that it made him crack Space and Time in Two out of fustration.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Thanks for the Genis update Master...I really should get back into it..I've read till the insane arc...But definitely gonna get Eternity issue...
Yea fellas I mean frankly, I think Genis is exaggerated somewhat myself, he has all this power but he can't use it cause his Comics would become boring, so they give us a taste here and there, and regularly use plot devices or PIS in his stories why?
Because otherwise Genis would defeat any non Cosmically Aware opponent in two panels, and if his opponent is Cosmically Aware, then he has to be his level of power, which is at the very least, the ability to erase and recreate a Universe in an instant.
I use the "killing Eternity" (Multiverse) feat as a boast more than an actuality.
Why?
Because in all seriousness, Genis could never destroy the Multiverse, nor Entropy.
Eternity allowed himself to be killed, because it was time for the Multiverse to get recycled.
(Still a great Feat though, Eternity didn't fight back but it's no easy task to erase all the Matter and Energy in a Multiverse regardless, well, IMO. btw. Entropy DID Create a New Eternity/Multiverse)
But Genis can definitely destroy atleast one Universe and all it's possible Futures, on his own.
Genis also proved that his potential can reach the power to destroy and create a Universe.
Also on his own.
Originally posted by Rewmac
issue #5 of Captain Marvel???
Correct, and ends in #6, the arc begins in #4
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Also in reference to Sentry owning Terrax faster than anyone, SS did exile him in basically one or two panels (including the flight to whatever planet that was). I have not read that New Warriors in a while, but seem to remember it.And also SS can destory multiple planets at once.
Surfer only owned Terrax that easily that one time because Terrax had been fighting the New Warriors and FF equipped with Anti-herald weapons for 2 issues straight prior to that. SS's fight with Tyros lasted about 5 times as long as Sentry's fight with Terrax, there's your evidence right there that Sentry > Surfer.
And you claim Surfer can destroy multiple planets at once? Prove it. Show me a scan of him doing it. Dont make a claim if you cant show me on-panel evidence.
Now, Mr. Master, i believe Jebus Reborn is referring to New Thunderbolts #1 where Atlas sucked shotted Genis and then threw him into the hudson river. But it was a cheapshot, and it's not that his cosmic awareness missed it, it's just that Purple Man was controlling Genis at the time and made Genis turn off his cosmic awareness. Genis even tells Atlas later that if Purple Man didnt make him shut off his cosmic awareness that he wouldve seen Atlas' attack coming a mile away.
Oh, and why hasnt anyone tried to refute my long post at the end of page 3? Just a question, is it because everyone knows that Photon > Surfer after that? I dont mean to be cocky, im just asking.
And when I say (Mr. Master too) that Genis destroyed the universe, it's different than it seems. It does not mean that Genis and Eternity fought and Genis won. Because we all know that Genis wouldnt win. It means Genis just had the raw power to kill Eternity. But Eternity let Genis win. So basically, Genis overpowered Eternity's defense, which enabled Genis to be able to kill him, but Genis probably never wouldve been able to overpower Eternity's offense. Get it?
Originally posted by Mr MasterJust saying...
So?It was Genis that was greatly affected, because it was messing with his Cosmic Awareness.
Genis felt (through his Cosmic Awareness) that Reality wasn't right (Wanda's Warp) but couldn't get the fix on it, his Cosmic Awareness is such, that it made him crack Space and Time in Two out of fustration.
Originally posted by Photon009The thing about Terrax though, is that Sentry never actually put Terrax down, Surfer did.
Surfer only owned Terrax that easily that one time because Terrax had been fighting the New Warriors and FF equipped with Anti-herald weapons for 2 issues straight prior to that. SS's fight with Tyros lasted about 5 times as long as Sentry's fight with Terrax, there's your evidence right there that Sentry > Surfer.
It's also hardly a comparison anyway.
Originally posted by Photon009After absorbing some power (thorugh his own power), he lets loose some energy...
And you claim Surfer can destroy multiple planets at once? Prove it. Show me a scan of him doing it. Dont make a claim if you cant show me on-panel evidence.
Originally posted by Photon009That's it!
Now, Mr. Master, i believe Jebus Reborn is referring to New Thunderbolts #1 where Atlas sucked shotted Genis and then threw him into the hudson river. But it was a cheapshot, and it's not that his cosmic awareness missed it, it's just that Purple Man was controlling Genis at the time and made Genis turn off his cosmic awareness. Genis even tells Atlas later that if Purple Man didnt make him shut off his cosmic awareness that he wouldve seen Atlas' attack coming a mile away.
Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?
Which is why I said it's difficult for Writers of Genis.
If Genis always anticipated everything on panel, how fun would that be?
They gotta sell Comics Big, you know that.
On a vs Forums, we're not restricted with protocol,
we can let loose with a character's full abilities.
So while it's in his powerset to See and know everything before hand, you wouldn't have much of a Comic if the same repetitive loop is taking place in issue after issue.
That's where the ol' PIS comes in or "plot device." to try and make a sensible story with a "god" ...
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Just saying...The thing about Terrax though, is that Sentry never actually put Terrax down, Surfer did.
If the fight would have continued until Terrax was down, it would have lasted longer than it did.It's also hardly a comparison anyway.
After absorbing some power (thorugh his own power), he lets loose some energy...
That's it!
Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?
Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.
And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.
Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that.
Originally posted by Photon009
Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.I understand he has been fighting for a while, but his encounter with SS was not a fight, just an exile.
And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.
Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that.
Terrax is scared of SS. I wish I had the scans of the New Warriors where they tell him they made a call for some help, and all you see is a bright light and Terrax poops his pants and says "oh no" or something like that. SS then picks him up and transports him to another planet, dropping his axe off (which they had to pick up in the Morg arc) and leaving Terrax on a deserted planet.
Originally posted by Photon009And yet, he still didn't put him down.
Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.
Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that.
It's Surfer's own power to do so though, plus, you asked for it, and I showed you.
Plus, I see how you ignored Surfer creating a black hole earlier (which would destroy multiple planets). Not to mention, that he barely let out any energy, or even tried, when he did this.
Also, wouldn't it have been Genis destroying the planets, since Sentry wasn't outputting any energy?
Genis even using his awareness for a second, should have been able to see this though, using Genis logic on the forum.
So, why would they say this, if it's been proven faulty, many a time in comics?
It doesn't add up, and it also seems completely irrelevant to the forum.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Terrax is scared of SS. I wish I had the scans of the New Warriors where they tell him they made a call for some help, and all you see is a bright light and Terrax poops his pants and says "oh no" or something like that. SS then picks him up and transports him to another planet, dropping his axe off (which they had to pick up in the Morg arc) and leaving Terrax on a deserted planet.
Yes, he didnt want to fight Surfer because as i said before, Terrax had just been fighting the combined forces of the Fantastic Four and New Warriors all equipped with Anti-Herald weapons designed by Reed for 2 issues straight prior to Surfer coming. So yea, a very weakened Terrax is reluctant to fight Surfer. Not really that impressive for Surfer. Especially considering later on in a Surfer arc Terrax healed from his fight with the NW/FF/Surfer and came back after Surfer fresh and wasnt scared at all, even when Surfer had Firelord and Air-Walker backing him up.
Sentry on the other hand owned the shit out of Terrax easily, broke his hands with one hand, then snapped his axe like a twig, and told him to leave the planet. And Terrax did. And Terrax was fresh, still easily in fighting condition, all he was fighting pre-Sentry showing up was some helicopters.
