Originally posted by Martian_mind
fair enough.The steaming hunk of crap i'll defend to the end.
Jonn😮h god,she has me in a chokehold!!if only i could hold my breath for ages,or shapeshift,or phase,she might break my neck,oh god,i wish i had a healing factor.
Flash😮h no!she tricked me onto the moons surface,and the shelter with air ios onl a mile away,why oh why can't i run at superspeeds.
Originally posted by darthgooberNot so much the S shield in that case as merely the pushing a powerful new character factor. Powerful characters tend to be unbeatable for the first while when they come out, then you'll see them begin to fade into rank and file.
What can I say, the power of the S shield at work.
Originally posted by Juntai
Not so much the S shield in that case as merely the pushing a powerful new character factor. Powerful characters tend to be unbeatable for the first while when they come out, then you'll see them begin to fade into rank and file.
but what she did was totally unrelated to power.
they made Jonn forget he had a healing factor,phasing,shapeshiting and eye beams.
they made Flash forget his only power.
Thats just writing others as tards to make an S-shielder look good.
Originally posted by Juntai
That would be like excusing everything Superman's ever done. Mxy has been prodding Superman's destiny this way and that forever, to try to help him become the hero he needs to be.Maybe we should throw out the 90's in case Superboy punches were affecting the outcomes, which actually a lot more plausible.
Originally posted by Juntai
Not so much the S shield in that case as merely the pushing a powerful new character factor. Powerful characters tend to be unbeatable for the first while when they come out, then you'll see them begin to fade into rank and file.
Originally posted by Juntai
Originally posted by darthgooberThe Source of creation, I'm sure has a plan for every event and character, kind of goes hand in hand with being the all.
😆 Yeah and let's not forget, it's been established that the Source has some kind of a plan for Darkseid, so I guess we have to throw out ALL of Darkseid's feats since his creation JUST IN CASE there was divine intervention involved. While we're at it, we might as well throw out EVERY characters feats, JUST IN CASE LT or the Spectre had something to do with it.
Originally posted by Juntai
The Source of creation, I'm sure has a plan for every event and character, kind of goes hand in hand with being the all.
Originally posted by darthgooberwell done nver is shown out again as his logic makes no sense and makes it like the source has a hand in everything virtually lust invalidating everyones feats.
Exactly my point, using nvr's logic EVERYTHING in DC should be thrown out because the Source's plan invalidates every feat ever preformed by a DC character.
Originally posted by Juntaidid u hear that nver i am right u deluded dcite.
He is right however, Nvr, Superman is above her, regardless of the Sacrifice showing. And there's too many instances the show the drastic difference between the two. She's top tier, and one of the few Earthlings that can give Supes any real trouble physically, but he's in a league of his own, and the stories make it evident.She killed Max Lord in that Sacrifice story, because she knew she couldn't really stop Superman, only delay him. That was the entire context of that event.
I don't even think sun amp comes into play in that storyline. She had kryptonite on her, it stunts his cells from absorbing sun, and in fact, pretty much reverses it. One could easily make an arguement that he was in fact, weaker, and definately not fighting like Superman, given the mind control.
Take another story however, such as For Tomorrow, and Superman smacks her up.
Take Superman/Batman Supergirl arc, and Wonder Woman & Barda lose to henchmen in the Furies, while Superman fights Supergirl, wearing Kryptonite, then beats up Darkseid himself. All after toasting an army of Doomsday clones.This could go on on, but it really comes down to the very idea that she's pretty much admitted it outright tons of times that she's no match for Superman.
Originally posted by Juntai
He is right however, Nvr, Superman is above her, regardless of the Sacrifice showing. And there's too many instances the show the drastic difference between the two. She's top tier, and one of the few Earthlings that can give Supes any real trouble physically, but he's in a league of his own, and the stories make it evident.She killed Max Lord in that Sacrifice story, because she knew she couldn't really stop Superman, only delay him. That was the entire context of that event.
I don't even think sun amp comes into play in that storyline. She had kryptonite on her, it stunts his cells from absorbing sun, and in fact, pretty much reverses it. One could easily make an arguement that he was in fact, weaker, and definately not fighting like Superman, given the mind control.
Take another story however, such as For Tomorrow, and Superman smacks her up.
Take Superman/Batman Supergirl arc, and Wonder Woman & Barda lose to henchmen in the Furies, while Superman fights Supergirl, wearing Kryptonite, then beats up Darkseid himself. All after toasting an army of Doomsday clones.This could go on on, but it really comes down to the very idea that she's pretty much admitted it outright tons of times that she's no match for Superman.
And there are many times where Superman has admitted that she is his match. When Superman was taken over by the dark vampire, He was using Superman's power, and commented on how Wonder Woman was his physical match. When the male Cheetah hit Superman, he commented on how it punched like Captain marvel or Diana. CM is Superman's Equal in strength. WW has Stalemated CM blow for blow. Superman batman is a wanking book that is rediculous and any mentioning of events in that book is lame. Batman was using baterangs to fight doomsday clones, Superman was getting his ass beat by Despero physically and then uses one shot of heat vision to Ko him, and WW blocked the Omegas. So That book is terrible to me from beginning to end. And to sum it up, If Superman were so much more powerful than WW, then Bruce wouldnt' think Superman would be the only one on earth who could contain her. Notice I didn't say stop becuz bruce never said stop. And Superman had reached the surface of the sun before She pulled the kryptonite out, and she never even got to use it. So yeah, he was sun amped. And he wasn't being mind controlled. he was being tricked into thinking she was doomsday who killed lois. There is a difference. He was pretty much operating at maximum output in his grief while she was holding back.
Originally posted by darthgoober
😆 Yeah and let's not forget, it's been established that the Source has some kind of a plan for Darkseid, so I guess we have to throw out ALL of Darkseid's feats since his creation JUST IN CASE there was divine intervention involved. While we're at it, we might as well throw out EVERY characters feats, JUST IN CASE LT or the Spectre had something to do with it.
Except the source isn't shown moving pieces around on a cosmic chess board. It's only established that DS cannot die. As we know the time stream collapses when he is removed from it. So he is eternally important to the cosmos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
well done nver is shown out again as his logic makes no sense and makes it like the source has a hand in everything virtually lust invalidating everyones feats.
You should hush up. Our disagreements have nothing to do with the fact that I have spanked you on every turn. And now that you are losing, you decide that you will try to jump on any bandwagon you can to try and lash out at me? LMAO. You lame. At least I have my own ideas and thoughts that I back up with events. All you do is say thanos is cooler, and Yuga khan did this. never even for once thinking that yugah never fought all of the new Gods at once with takion and stayne in the mix. Think boy. now hit it. you annoy me.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSuperman saying someone is tough isn't the same as someone saying they themselves are not his match. See the difference there?
And there are many times where Superman has admitted that she is his match. When Superman was taken over by the dark vampire, He was using Superman's power, and commented on how Wonder Woman was his physical match. When the male Cheetah hit Superman, he commented on how it punched like Captain marvel or Diana. CM is Superman's Equal in strength. WW has Stalemated CM blow for blow. Superman batman is a wanking book that is rediculous and any mentioning of events in that book is lame. Batman was using baterangs to fight doomsday clones, Superman was getting his ass beat by Despero physically and then uses one shot of heat vision to Ko him, and WW blocked the Omegas. So That book is terrible to me from beginning to end. And to sum it up, If Superman were so much more powerful than WW, then Bruce wouldnt' think Superman would be the only one on earth who could contain her. Notice I didn't say stop becuz bruce never said stop. And Superman had reached the surface of the sun before She pulled the kryptonite out, and she never even got to use it. So yeah, he was sun amped. And he wasn't being mind controlled. he was being tricked into thinking she was doomsday who killed lois. There is a difference. He was pretty much operating at maximum output in his grief while she was holding back.