Darth Bandon vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Actually you failed to note that the word "blade" is actually present in that sentence and the word "Sith Troopers" is absent in that sentence. So we are left with this "Bandon with his blade" logic.

I forgot to type it that time but I did include it in the quote about many jedi falling etc. The part about the sit troopers I'm trying to say that since he was a sith apprentice during the jedi civil war which means he most likely was in many battles and it is possible he could have been saved from death by the sith troopers. But it really doesn't matter since I was making examples as it is not clear about how strong the jedi were,and everything else we mentioned. The point is your quotes show Bandon is more powefful them some people said but the way you posted things seemed to say that you think Maul can lose this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bandon can also be one of them.

But you'd have to prove that. 😉

What does it matter exactly if many Jedi fell to his lightsaber? It of course does speak about his dominance, as does his position as second in command. He was logically one of the top dogs around. It only speaks of his dominance during that time period, however. If Bandon were to face Anoon or even someone like Saesee Tiin, he'd be dicked royally. Taken seriously, there is no way to justify Bandon defeating Maul.

* Maul "mastered the lightsaber." The same type that Bandon uses.
* Maul is a Teras Kasi master and uses it in his fighting style.
* Maul dodged an explosion when he only has a "microsecond" to get out of the way.
* Maul survived for a month against legions of Assassin droids who I doubt left him the luxury of sleep.
* Maul learned from Darth "MF'ing" Sidious.
* Maul almost killed the Same Darth "MF'ing" Sidious in a saber duel.
* Maul was confident that he could defeat "any" Jedi he encountered(and well educated about Jedi).
* Maul defeated an energized Qui Gon (Windu's equal) in thirty Seconds and left Obi Wan, when using all his rage, hanging from a pit.
* Maul is "one of the deadliest Sith Apprentices in history."
* Maul dominated over Anoon Bondara who's lightsaber skills were "second to none" (including Yoda), was a master of Teras Kasi, was the Jedi Battle Master, gave easy beatdowns to the likes of Qui Gon, was extremely adaptive (His Padawan Ashat who revealed "strong Force tendencies even as an infant" wished to one day have "one tenth" of Anoon's adeptness.)
* Maul has "far superior darkside knowledge" than Mighella, a powerful Night Sister.
* Maul can "swat blaster bolts away like flies" shot from a very competent Bounty Hunter.
* Maul has spun his lightsaber so fast that it seemed to merge into a "single crimson shield."
* Maul defeated an army of Black Sun thugs, and defeated "seven of the most powerful" people in the Universe in less time than it takes to say it.
* Maul was a "warrior in his prime."

That's just for starters.

Thank you.

Suffice it to say, he curbstomps Bandon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
"one of the" - hmm!

Bandon can also be one of them.

Maul effortlessly defeated one of the finest swordsmen the Order had ever seen. He also defeated Qui-Gon Jinn, a man held to be another of the best duelists of the Order.

That's two very impressive named kills to Maul's resume.

bandon, by contrast, did not defeat anyone known to be truly impressive

Actually you failed to note that the word "blade" is actually present in that sentence and the word "Sith Troopers" is absent in that sentence.

Let me explain something to you:

Fell (In this manner of use): To have succumbed, generally to an attack.

Beneath (In this manner of use): Underneath.

Blade: A cutting or thrusting weapon that has a long metal blade (Though obviously the lightsaber isn't a metal blade).

"Many Jedi fell beneath his blade". You provided the quote, and that's what it said. Now you have to prove that the fell beneath his blade in combat, that they fell beneath his blade in one-on-one combat, and that they were remotely impressive duelists in the first place. The profile doesn't say it wasn't in combat, but it doesn't say it was in combat. The profile doesn't say he had help, but it doesn't say he did it on his own. The profile doesn't say they weren't good duelists, but it doesn't say they were good duelists either. You're the one who has to prove that they were good duelists, seeing as you're the one bringing the point forward and presenting the evidence (In other words, you have the burden of proof). And unfortunately for you, "Many Jedi fell beneath his blade" doesn't cover that. Falling beneath his blade simply means that he's the one who dealt the final killing blow with his blade. It doesn't say anything about how it was performed.

It also fails to specify exactly what qualifies as "many". It could be anywhere from ten to ten thousand.

For your point of "It didn't say Sith Troopers" to work, it would have to have said that he did it on his own, with no help whatsoever. Because if it didn't, I have an equally valid and very similar defense of "It didn't say that he didn't have help with him either, only that he finished them". And considering he generally has help when you face him, it's not helping your argument much.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Being ambiguous does not means that those Jedi sucked because it is never stated as such.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And you just made a dumbest comment in this thread by saying that those Jedi would be so shitty that they can't even block a single saber strike.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Lack of detailed information does not means that triumphs of Bandon were lacking. You have to look at the bigger picture in this kind of case. Killing large number of Jedi is not a joke for any person. We expect this kind of achievement from only highly skilled warriors.

Originally posted by VinCon01
Let me explain something to you:

Fell (In this manner of use): To have succumbed, generally to an attack.

Beneath (In this manner of use): Underneath.

Blade: A cutting or thrusting weapon that has a long metal blade (Though obviously the lightsaber isn't a metal blade).

"Many Jedi fell beneath his blade". You provided the quote, and that's what it said. Now you have to prove that the fell beneath his blade in combat, that they fell beneath his blade in one-on-one combat, and that they were remotely impressive duelists in the first place. The profile doesn't say it wasn't in combat, but it doesn't say it was in combat. The profile doesn't say he had help, but it doesn't say he did it on his own. The profile doesn't say they weren't good duelists, but it doesn't say they were good duelists either. You're the one who has to prove that they were good duelists, seeing as you're the one bringing the point forward and presenting the evidence (In other words, you have the burden of proof). And unfortunately for you, "Many Jedi fell beneath his blade" doesn't cover that. Falling beneath his blade simply means that he's the one who dealt the final killing blow with his blade. It doesn't say anything about how it was performed.

It also fails to specify exactly what qualifies as "many". It could be anywhere from ten to ten thousand.

For your point of "It didn't say Sith Troopers" to work, it would have to have said that he did it on his own, with no help whatsoever. Because if it didn't, I have an equally valid and very similar defense of "It didn't say that he didn't have help with him either, only that he finished them". And considering he generally has help when you face him, it's not helping your argument much.

A tad nit-picky but it is still correct. To assume that he defeated a few Jedi in one on one combat is an assumption, but not a bad one. Of course, these Padawans, Knights, or even Masters were probably not much of note, but, Bandon had to be at least a reasonable combatant.

Originally posted by Gideon
Thank you.

Suffice it to say, he [B]curbstomps Bandon. [/B]

In one min. or 30 seconds?

A tad nit-picky but it is still correct. To assume that he defeated a few Jedi in one on one combat is an assumption, but not a bad one. Of course, these Padawans, Knights, or even Masters were probably not much of note, but, Bandon had to be at least a reasonable combatant.

Yeah, I can be a bit nit-picky at times. I'm still a bit used to the long, drawn out debates where you pick at basically everything that's said (Especially if it gives you an advantage in the debate, trivial, petty, and nit-picky as it might seem).

However, I'm not sure if I'm coming off this way, but I want to make it clear that I don't think Bandon was some completely useless nobody. I don't think he was anywhere near Maul's class, but he certainly wasn't average. Based on what I've seen, he was better than most of the "regular" Jedi and Sith during the Jedi Civil War, but he simply isn't one of the better fighters in the whole story of Star Wars. It also hurts him that we really don't know much about him. We have a few vague comments/quotes, but we don't know any details that would help us judge his abilities more.

Maul, on the other hand, has several specific feats that we're aware of. This includes taking some of the best duelists in the Jedi Order down, and holding off an extremely skilled Jedi (Qui Gon) while simultaneously dealing with his highly skilled apprentice. He then kills said Jedi one-on-one, and would have killed his apprentice as well if he hadn't suffered from a sudden case of AIS (Arrogance Induced Stupidity) and had just given him a Force push instead of screwing around.

Agreed.

Although, I'd call it PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity), not AIS. Maul was trained to be and was smart.

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Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
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Originally posted by jollyjim311
What does it matter exactly if many Jedi fell to his lightsaber? It of course does speak about his dominance, as does his position as second in command. He was logically one of the top dogs around. It only speaks of his dominance during that time period, however. If Bandon were to face Anoon or even someone like Saesee Tiin, he'd be dicked royally. Taken seriously, there is no way to justify Bandon defeating Maul.

* Maul "mastered the lightsaber." The same type that Bandon uses.
* Maul is a Teras Kasi master and uses it in his fighting style.
* Maul dodged an explosion when he only has a "microsecond" to get out of the way.
* Maul survived for a month against legions of Assassin droids who I doubt left him the luxury of sleep.
* Maul learned from Darth "MF'ing" Sidious.
* Maul almost killed the Same Darth "MF'ing" Sidious in a saber duel.
* Maul was confident that he could defeat "any" Jedi he encountered(and well educated about Jedi).
* Maul defeated an energized Qui Gon (Windu's equal) in thirty Seconds and left Obi Wan, when using all his rage, hanging from a pit.
* Maul is "one of the deadliest Sith Apprentices in history."
* Maul dominated over Anoon Bondara who's lightsaber skills were "second to none" (including Yoda), was a master of Teras Kasi, was the Jedi Battle Master, gave easy beatdowns to the likes of Qui Gon, was extremely adaptive (His Padawan Ashat who revealed "strong Force tendencies even as an infant" wished to one day have "one tenth" of Anoon's adeptness.)
* Maul has "far superior darkside knowledge" than Mighella, a powerful Night Sister.
* Maul can "swat blaster bolts away like flies" shot from a very competent Bounty Hunter.
* Maul has spun his lightsaber so fast that it seemed to merge into a "single crimson shield."
* Maul defeated an army of Black Sun thugs, and defeated "seven of the most powerful" people in the Universe in less time than it takes to say it.
* Maul was a "warrior in his prime."

That's just for starters.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I'm stealing this and putting it in my profile...

Flattered?

I'm stealing your fingers, but I'll rent them to you for the cost of a wiggle a day.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Flattered?

I'm stealing your fingers, but I'll rent them to you for the cost of a wiggle a day.

Fine. Go a day without a single wiggle and see what happens.

fear

Originally posted by jollyjim311
* Maul could spin his saber real fast etc etc etc.
* Maul almost killed the Same Darth "MF'ing" Sidious in a saber duel.

If that actually happens in a book the author must be a f*cking clown. Sidious even finishes jedi masters like Kit Fatso off in mere seconds. Maul is killed by a padawan dealing an obvious blow. His only plus point was his lightzabor, not his brain. He never says much because he's simple.

1) You have to remember that Sidious hasn't actually been in a fight for years when he has those fights. Meaning that, despite years on end without any serious practice (No duels with Jedi or other Force Users, anyway), he still manages to hold his own against, and defeat, people who are renowned for their saber and Force-related abilities.

2) I wouldn't really say it was an "obvious blow". The guy was just a Padawan, and you have to admit that he was in a pretty crappy position. He was barely hanging on, so I doubt Maul expected him to suddenly leap out full speed. The poor Sith Lord was probably a bit surprised.