Originally posted by TricksterPriestThe IG has control over time as well,
Can Cosmic Extant, with his control over time, reverse time to the point to where before Thanos got the IG? Or could he remove Thanos by erasing his parents or ensuring that he died before he got the IG?
So that method of attack wouldn't work for either side.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummmm the entire Marvel multiverse is made up of realities which diverged at some point from a prime one. By your logic i guess that means there are no alternate counterparts for any Marvel character or item because they diverged from 616?
Bull shit
Read Comics.
Divergent Realities are exact copies of 616 that can ONLY exist,
if the 616 Universe's PAST Diverges at some point in History.
Alternate Realities share certain similarities, but have different Histories.
eg. Reed Richards is a brute like the Hulk in an Alternate Realitiy, but he's still Reed.
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Calling my post sh*t or gibberish and saturating your reply with smilies doesnt make it any less true, or yourself look anymore smarter.
I just proved why your posts are bull shit
and deserve smilies like this one ... stfu2
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix was depicted on panel being the sentient energies of the Big Bang. On top of that depiction,
Lies.
Phoenix was depicted on panel being born from the Big Bang, like ALL the other Abstracts:
"This is HOW I came into BEING"
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"The Phoenix Force is a CHILD of the Universe,
the Force was SUBSEQUENTLY REBORN from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang"
For those who don't know what "Subsequent" means:
"coming after something in time; following"
NO MORE Phoenix is the "Big Bang" garbage please.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix has been stated on panel, numerous times to be the energies of creation and the sum and substance of all life.
😆
And yet it's purest Avatar, a Host-less Avatar that is,
get's stomped by an Alien Ship and 6 Heroes, one of which, is Rogue. 😂
Please ... you're killin me.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix hasnt created a universe on panel, but one of its avatars has telekinetically warped the laws of space time to treat space/time like its a physical object and cut off the entire future from a timeline and hold it and all its matter in her hands. Not a universe but a future timeline i.e the universe and all its future states.
Bah,
Jean only amputated and Repaired a Future Timeline, nothing else.
Jean needed to be in the WHite Hot Room (Hospital) to accomplish that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That same avatar who was but one of many then materialised the universe within the palm of her hand demonstrating telekinetic control of all the matter and energy of an entire universe.
Yea ok.
Jean didn't even know what the heck was in her hands or how it got there. 😂
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
First question:
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?
Jean gets NO ANSWER!
Second Question:
What is it?"
Jean gets ANSWERED!
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe ... Phoenix work"
Fine ..... Now WHAT does that mean?....
Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.
AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If Phoenix is the sentient energies which bring life to reality and one of its many avatars can manipulate matter at least on a universal scale then Phoenix not creating a universe on panel is irrelevant when:
You wish Phoenix was the "energy which brings life to creation"
Get off the crack dude.
Phoenix is a Universal Entity, no more, no less.
Very powerful on a Universal scale, like ALL the other Abstracts.
I rank Phoenix as a Universal destroyer,
but Phoenix CAN'T Create a Universe ... sorry.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Neither has LT (which is why you concocted the the ridiculous notion that LT turned Silver Surfer into a universe to back yourself up when in fact it stated on panel LT gave Surfer a connection to the infinite , NOT turned him into it. To finish things off the handbook also stated my interpretation that LT just made SS one with the universes
The LT transformed SS into the 616 Universe and everything in it for a moment.
The SS became the 616 Universe, SS's Consciousness/Life-force was one with the Totality of Eternity. (the Infinite)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG has never created a universe
But 4 Gems created MANY Realities.
So by that On Panel FACT,
we can say the IG (6 Gems) should be able to do infinitely more.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jaspers has never created a universe. He doesnt create, he just manipulates realitys laws to make whats their fit in with his vision,
Jaspers is unstoppable, the ONLY thing that was immune to his Reality warping was the Fury,
which is the ONLY reason the Fury got close to Jaspers,
which is the ONLY reason the Fury was able to teleport him physically into the 238 Nullified Universe,
Merlyn Knew the Fury would figure out how to beat Jaspers,
which is why Merlyn is the man, even though Jaspers was MORE powerful than him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
same with all reality warpers. Nothing is created from scratch and when you take them out of reality they are nothing.
That's a bunch of gibberish.
Jamie is a Reality Warper and he can create from nothing.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Abraxas has never created a universe
Abraxas is the embodiment of Destruction.
Abraxas approaches a Universe and it begins to collapse,
nuff said.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Merlyn has never created a universe
You must be under the impression that Otherworld is a Planet, because of the name. 😆
Otherworld is not only a Universe,
but Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel,
the Starlight Citidel, which is in the Universe Otherworld,
contains COUNTLESS UniverseS.
So is Otherworld a Multiverse of sorts?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix re-energized the crystal with the aid of her friends for anchoragewithin reality via their souls and psychic moral support to help her perform the feat.
Bull shit
and you know it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you want to argue that they gave her energy to perfrom the feat go ahead. Given that we're dealing with a multiversal power here(the crystal) and the combined power of the X-men involved couldnt even destroy a planet, its clear their input was negligible therefore rendering your point irrelevant.
"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"
"And then suddenly", The Spirits of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"
ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.
"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"
Sorry jack, I have eyes everywhere.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Show me on panel where it states the matrix replicated the tower throughout the multiverse on contact? If that was the case then what would be the need for Phoenix to project the tower throughout the entire multiverse?
I never said Phoenix didn't project the Tower.
I said Phoenix needed the Interfaces to be Aligned across the Multiverse,
in order to perform the Multiversal feat.
Without the Interface Alignment which allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse,
that Host-less Avatar would have NEVER been able to do that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your point about Phoenix needing the White Hot Room to perform her "telekinetic control of the atoms of the universe" is redundant when she performed the [B]greater feat of warping the laws of space/time to treat space/time like its a physical object and cut off the entire future from a timeline and hold it and all its matter in her hands. Not a universe but a future timeline i.e the universe and all its future states. BEFORE she went in the White Hot Room. [/B]
The heck are you talking about?
Jean ripped Sublime out of Hank, in Reality 15104,
then she entered the Force's dimension,
where she ended up with the Future Timeline of Reality 15104,
Jean then Repaired the Future Timeline of Reality 15104 in the WHR (Hospital)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your attempt to demean has been thwarted. Come again.
🙄
This is the full scan, I didn't realize the first one was cropped.
Phoenix was depicted on panel being born from the Big Bang, like ALL the other Abstracts:
"It's the Birth of the Universe ... the Big Bang"
"This is HOW I came into BEING"
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"The Phoenix Force is a CHILD of the Universe,
the Force was SUBSEQUENTLY REBORN from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang"
For those who don't know what "Subsequent" means:
"coming after something in time; following"
So if Phoenix was born AFTER the Big Bang, how can she BE the Big Bang? hum
NO MORE Phoenix is the "Big Bang" garbage please.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hmm,Utau seems to think that Phoenix is the spark which ignites/ends Universal creation:
That's now, that the Multiverse has been created,
and certain Universes are still awaiting their Big Bang,
that's where the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State
acts as the "Spark" that ignites Universal Big Bangs.
But the Phoenix Force was born from the First Big Bang, like all the Abstracts.
In fact,
All the Abstracts survive Universal Big Bangs now:
"Forces like Entropy, Oblivion, Death, Life ... they Remain constant through ANY Big Bang"
That's Prosh speakin.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThis is something that you didn't clarify at first, so I had to throw it out there. 🙂
That's now, that the Multiverse has been created,
and certain Universes are still awaiting their Big Bang,
that's where the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State
acts as the "Spark" that ignites Universal Big Bangs.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, MR. M, You still need to rap up the Infinity Being issue.
Absolutely.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is no way to rap it up. the infinity being did not create the 616.It was part of it.
Incorrect.
There is no way for your simple ass to rap it up, but unlike yourself I read Comics.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Isnt the universe termed creation sometimes?
Only when it's convenient, ey?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Heres an interesting tidbitThere’s a difference between the two Infinity Being interpretations depicted first in Thanos Quest and later in Ultraforce.
The first interpretation had the Infinity Being committing suicide and from this event not only was reality created but also the Infinity Gems:
"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it ""ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
"It chose to put an End to itself ...from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This was later retconned into the Infinity Being just being a being that existed millenia ago within the current universe and his death caused the creation of the gems.
"Many Millennia ago in your Universe, (the Prime Multiverse that is)there was a God with the power of Infinity,
even with control of ALL that is,
the God's loneliness could not be soothed, by his own hand he died"
You do realize Diana is in the Ultraverse (which is within Another Multiverse).
When Diana said "Your Universe" she meant Your Multiverse, which is true,
the First creation that was spawned from the Infinity Being's death,
was the First Multiverse. (houses 616 Reality)
No retcon of any kind, you just made that up.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The latest Infinity Gauntlet bio:The Infinity Being as per current continuity created nothing and he lived within the current universe millenia ago. Upon his death the gems were created and thats that.
Gibberish.
The usual half truths mixed with bull shit ...
It's not easy to read your scans, but I still made out what it said:
(top left corner)
"The Infinity Gems were once part of the primordial Entity Nemesis.
Lonely,
it ended it's existence rather than live as the only sentience in the Universe"
(bottom right corner)
"In That OTHER Multiverse ...
the remnants of Nemesis consciousness wreaked havoc in both Dimensions"
Did I not say Diana was in Another Multiverse when she said "Your Universe?"
swank
So I didn't see any retcon of any kind,
with your own scans and your own unreadable "updated bio"
This only proves that Nemesis was affecting Two separate MultiverseS at once,
thanx.
Which means that the Soul Gem and the LT were not hyperbolin when they both said,
the IG could conquer BOTH MultiverseS.
(the one that houses the Ultraverse and the 616 Universe)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Absolutely.Incorrect.
There is no way for your simple ass to rap it up, but unlike yourself I read Comics.
Only when it's convenient, ey?
You do realize Diana is in the Ultraverse (which is within Another Multiverse).
When Diana said "Your Universe" she meant Your Multiverse, which is true,
the First creation that was spawned from the Infinity Being's death,
was the First Multiverse. (houses 616 Reality)No retcon of any kind, you just made that up.
Gibberish.
The usual half truths mixed with bull shit ...
It's not easy to read your scans, but I still made out what it said:
(top left corner)
"The Infinity Gems were once part of the primordial Entity Nemesis.[B]Lonely,
it ended it's existence rather than live as the only sentience in the Universe
"(bottom right corner)
"In That OTHER Multiverse ...the remnants of Nemesis consciousness wreaked havoc in both Dimensions"
Did I not say Diana was in Another Multiverse when she said "Your Universe?"
swank
So I didn't see any retcon of any kind,
with your own scans and your own unreadable "updated bio"This only proves that Nemesis was affecting Two separate MultiverseS at once,
thanx.
Which means that the Soul Gem and the LT were not hyperbolin when they both said,
the IG could conquer BOTH MultiverseS.
(the one that houses the Ultraverse and the 616 Universe) [/B]
Too bad it didn't could doesn't count here. feats do.
You have a habit of avoiding points and going off on tangentswhen i reply with big essays about multiple different points. Therefore instead of tackling your entire argument in one, i have decided to break it up and deal with one issue at a time. When you can provide no evidence that conclusively states your point or you concede, then we will move on to discuss the next point of your argument. 🙂
First up, the Phoenix is the Big Bang issue:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Lies.Phoenix was depicted on panel being born from the Big Bang, like ALL the other Abstracts:
"This is HOW I came into BEING"(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"The Phoenix Force is a CHILD of the Universe,
the Force was SUBSEQUENTLY REBORN from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang"For those who don't know what "Subsequent" means:
"coming after something in time; following"
NO MORE Phoenix is the "Big Bang" garbage please.
Phoenix as depicted in those scans is the sentient energies of the Big Bang.
That is why it is called the life force of reality and also the sum and substance of all life, because both of those things ARE the Big Bang.
Reed Richards: “Galactus was transformed by the energies of creation itself: Call it the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force or what have you”
Reed Richards here illustrates that the Big Bang is another way of referring to the Phoenix Force. Energies of creation are the Big Bang is the Phoenix Force. “What have you” I.e. what reference you choose is up to you, down to your discretion.
In Excalibur 52 you see illustrated the fact that the Phoenix Force is the energies of the Big Bang turned sentient and embodied within reality:
In its natural state the Phoenix Force is simply the ambient energies of creation. The sentience of the Force (which often manifests within reality via its Firebird avatar) developed later as the universe developed. Hence the “child of the universe” reference and the handbooks bios reference to how the Force was subsequently “REBORN” from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang. It isn’t created again from scratch like the abstracts are every creation cycle, the Phoenix is a constant. It always exists as the energies of creation; however following on from the last cycle it isn’t until after the Big Bang event when the cycle begins anew that the sentient Phoenix Force we know is born at the universal level.
On panel the captions and therefore the writer state that the Force is a literal manifestation of the Big Bang:
Galactus illustrates how the Phoenix Force is the life force of reality.
Here Rachel is possessed by the Forces sentient avatar:
During their fight Galactus tells the avatar that it is “an expression of the universal life force”:
So if the avatar of the Force is the life force of reality expressed within reality, that must mean the Phoenix Force is…………yep you’ve guessed it!! The life force of reality!!
Here’s her stating the point herself:
“Making me one with the life force of the universe”
“I am the life force of the universe incarnate”
The official handbook entry:
“Manifestation of the prime universal force of life”
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have a habit of avoiding points and going off on tangentswhen i reply with big essays about multiple different points. Therefore instead of tackling your entire argument in one, i have decided to break it up and deal with one issue at a time. When you can provide no evidence that conclusively states your point or you concede, then we will move on to discuss the next point of your argument.First up, the Phoenix is the Big Bang issue:
Phoenix as depicted in those scans is the sentient energies of the Big Bang.That is why it is called the life force of reality and also the sum and substance of all life, because both of those things ARE the Big Bang.
Reed Richards: “Galactus was transformed by the energies of creation itself: Call it the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force or what have you”
Reed Richards here illustrates that the Big Bang is another way of referring to the Phoenix Force. Energies of creation are the Big Bang is the Phoenix Force. “What have you” I.e. what reference you choose is up to you, down to your discretion.
In Excalibur 52 you see illustrated the fact that the Phoenix Force is the energies of the Big Bang turned sentient and embodied within reality:
In its natural state the Phoenix Force is simply the ambient energies of creation. [B]The sentience
of the Force (which often manifests within reality via its Firebird avatar) developed later as the universe developed. Hence the “child of the universe” reference and the handbooks bios reference to how the Force was subsequently “REBORN” from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang. It isn’t created again from scratch like the abstracts are every creation cycle, the Phoenix is a constant. It always exists as the energies of creation; however following on from the last cycle it isn’t until after the Big Bang event when the cycle begins anew that the sentient Phoenix Force we know is born at the universal level.On panel the captions and therefore the writer state that the Force is a literal manifestation of the Big Bang: [/B]
A truck load of Gibberish.
You didn't dispute one spec of my posts.
Is this it?
Is this your proof?
TALK?
forgetu
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here’s her stating the point herself:“Making me one with the life force of the universe”
“I am the life force of the universe incarnate”
The official handbook entry:
“Manifestation of the prime universal force of life”
Phoenix stating it herself huh? (TALK)
Thanos with the IG:
"Master of This .. and ALL UniverseS"
But now it's just "hyperbolic" Talk, right? 😆
Please.
