Originally posted by GalacticStormCool beans. 🙂
Thats cool. An essay war is NOT what i want! lolAs for your question, who knows. Given the greater feats of said items/power sources it would be logical that he would, but we just dont know.
Unlike some i debate with, you at least have the maturity to admit that my argument is understandable, even though you don't agree with it. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Celestial Nullifier isnt a handheld device like the UN that Merlyn could walk around and use to target anything he desired. It was attuned to the life forces of realities, it destroyed universes specifically and it was a mammoth of a device located in Otherworld. What good is that in battle with the IG? Whats to stop a user just dismantling or blowing up the machinery?
I was thinking in terms of sheer power and scale.
The IG is probably the most dangerous weapon in the MU due to it's precision and scope of effects.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes I didThose was my words
:for that is all we do gauge one being power vs another and then speculate what would happen:
you use hypothesize I use speculate care to define the difference for me?
And you cannot deny the fact that you are using the handbooks constantly when you are to downgrade a on panel evidence that points to the contrary of you thoughts on the character.
I use handbooks in conjunction with on panel accounts, so your statement is incorrect. A handbook statement on its own, or a handbook statement when contradicted by an on panel account isnt credible.
What you need to learn is that many on panel scenes we debate about are open to interpretation. I.e there are statements or artistic depictions that can be used to support both our arguments. So no matter how strongly you might believe your way of seeing things is right, unless its stated crystal clear, with no ambiguity alongside a clear artistic depiction then you must accept that you are not necessarily right and the other sides interpretation MIGHT be correct.
However when you disagree over interpretations only for a handbook entry to support the other sides interpretation, then you must acceot that they are right. 😬
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was thinking in terms of sheer power and scale.The IG is probably the most dangerous weapon in the MU due to it's precision and scope of effects.
While there are artifacts that undoubtably contain more raw power, (Celestial Nullifier, M'kraan Crystal, Ultimate Nullifier) theres no doubting that weapon wise the IG is top dog.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I use handbooks in conjunction with on panel accounts, so your statement is incorrect. A handbook statement on its own, or a handbook statement when contradicted by an on panel account isnt credible.What you need to learn is that many on panel scenes we debate about are open to interpretation. I.e there are statements or artistic depictions that can be used to support both our arguments. So no matter how strongly you might believe your way of seeing things is right, unless its stated crystal clear, with no ambiguity alongside a clear artistic depiction then you must accept that you are not necessarily right and the other sides interpretation MIGHT be correct.
However when you disagree over interpretations only for a handbook entry to support the other sides interpretation, then you must acceot that they are right. 😬
Okay cool, will save this statement.
Of cause every way to read a comic is different and you interperet it different then I am you are analysing the same words I am reading from a different angle.
Thats good to hear, just like you did in the Fury unspace incident.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
While there are artifacts that undoubtably contain more raw power, (Celestial Nullifier, M'kraan Crystal, Ultimate Nullifier) theres no doubting that weapon wise the IG is top dog.
In prescision only. And there are other IG's. So how can it be top tog? And is it top dog in weapons or in power? Can it defeat the MultiEternity or the True Beyonders.
Originally posted by Galan007
The alternate IG's were much weaker then the "Prime" IG, [feat wise].
They weren't fleshed out. They had the same origins as the Original. SO how they can be "weaker" is beyond me. The one that the IMP had wasn't weaker. He was an idiot who didnt' know how to use the power. eternity wanted the ig all the same in that arc becuz of it's power. I dont' remember the surfer story all that well.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlDid you miss the part in my post that said, the other IG's were weaker feat wise? 😕
They weren't fleshed out. They had the same origins as the Original. SO how they can be "weaker" is beyond me. The one that the IMP had wasn't weaker. He was an idiot who didnt' know how to use the power. eternity wanted the ig all the same in that arc becuz of it's power. I dont' remember the surfer story all that well.
Whether you think they had the same potential is irrevelent.
The most an alternate IG did was kill Mephisto, and re-create a Universal aspect of Death, [I posted these entire issues in my IG respect thread btw].
So again...
According to on panel feats,
The "Prime" IG >>> any alternate IG
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In prescision only. And there are other IG's. So how can it be top tog? And is it top dog in weapons or in power? Can it defeat the MultiEternity or the True Beyonders.
well in a sort of way it did defeat multieternity, as for the True Beyonders no chance in hell that is a race that should be taken damm seriously.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did you miss the part in my post that said, the other IG's were weaker [b]feat wise? 😕Whether you think they had the same potential is irrevelent.
The most an alternate IG did was kill Mephisto, and re-create a Universal aspect of Death, [I posted these entire issues in my IG respect thread btw].
So again...
According to on panel feats,
The "Prime" IG >>> any alternate IG [/B]
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By current continuity the IG draws its power from the Big Bang,it is a universal power.
Bull shit
There is no conclusive evidence that the Gems draw their power from the "Big Bang" ...
If they do, it's from the Big Bang that created the Marvel Omniverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that it was LT that stopped it on panel doesnt mean that it requires a being of LT's power to stop it.
Gibberish.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Bull shitThere is no conclusive evidence that the Gems draw their power from the "Big Bang" ...
If they do, it's from the Big Bang that created the Marvel Omniverse.
Gibberish.
I just love the way you say bull and gibberish with only your very subjective opinions and personal perspectives on events. LMAO @you.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In prescision only. And there are other IG's. So how can it be top tog? And is it top dog in weapons or in power? Can it defeat the MultiEternity or the True Beyonders.
I never said it was top dog power wise because its obviously not. However in terms of its efficiency and versatility as a weapon, its without a doubt the best in Marvel, even if its not the most powerful. The UN and CN have more destructive capacity from what we've seen on panel however they can only blow things up, they cant manipulate the facets of creation.
On top of that the UN and CN dont bestow the user themselves with any abilities. They are just hand operated weapons. The IG can give a user virtual omniscience, increased physical capabilities, energy wielding abilities, all on a universal scale.
Reed with the UN could be taken out by Emma Frost. One telepathic suggestion and he uses it on himself. He could be taken out by someone with superspeed for example.
Despite their greater destructive capacity, the IG is ridiculously more versatile. Thats why an IG user would always win against a UN user.