Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Well ya see, it's been proven that you can't have good CGI and action, and have good plot in the same movie. AT least, thats what critics say. IF the movie's too fun then there's no plot. There can only be plot if the movie is boring.
What about the first and second Matrix films? That would seem to contradict contemporary logic.
Originally posted by InnerRise
Why did Starscream fire at Megatron?Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Starscream and Megatron pretty much hate eachother. It's part of their character history. Starscream feels he'd be a better leader of the Decepticons and is always insubordinate and disrespectful to Megatron. Plus Starscream is probably the least trustworthy Decepticon of them all (not that you can trust any of them anyway). In the cartoon when Starscream had a falling out with Megatron and was banished he went to an island with some old World War II surplus vehicles and created the Combaticons to destroy Megatron and take over leadership of the Decepticons (in the cartoon Starscream created "Brawl", the tank Decepticon, who was "Devastator" in the film).
Originally posted by illadelph12As for why Megatron never got rid of Starscream. It's because Megatron knew that as long as the Decepticons were loyal to him Starscream wouldn't try to many things. That and Megatronwould pimp slap all day in a fight.
Starscream and Megatron pretty much hate eachother. It's part of their character history. Starscream feels he'd be a better leader of the Decepticons and is always insubordinate and disrespectful to Megatron. Plus Starscream is probably the least trustworthy Decepticon of them all (not that you can trust any of them anyway). In the cartoon when Starscream had a falling out with Megatron and was banished he went to an island with some old World War II surplus vehicles and created the Combaticons to destroy Megatron and take over leadership of the Decepticons (in the cartoon Starscream created "Brawl", the tank Decepticon, who was "Devastator" in the film).
But the reason why Megatron needed him. Well elt;s face it early one they had small numbers and needed all the power they could get. And for all his cowardice, Bumbling, and failing Starscream was and has always been a very good warrior and in a War you need good warriors.
Originally posted by InnerRise
Being that I didn't watch the original, it's just so strange to me. He has a history of attempting to kill Megatron over and over again and still Megatron and Starscream continue to cooperate together, if only partly.It's just silly.
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Originally posted by InnerRise
I said I wanted it to have MORE action.I didn't say the beginning and middle had NO ACTION AT ALL.
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
??? not sure what more action you could be looking for at the beginning??
The decepticon destroyed the frigin base and then the fight in the desert was totally cool.
Originally posted by darthmaul1Just to clarify, the beginning ecompasses more than just the battle at the very begin at the base.
??? not sure what more action you could be looking for at the beginning??
The decepticon destroyed the frigin base and then the fight in the desert was totally cool.
That's just a part of the beginning. This is a 2 hour + movie and a lot of the beginning AND MIDDLE (read all of the post) was kind of bland and just had me wondering when we'd get back to the autobots and decepticons and away from the people.
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Originally posted by nimbus006
What about the plot did you find not up to par?Was there not good character development?
Did it not flow well?
I thought from begginning to end the story developed and carried pretty well. Mix in great action and CGI with a great blend of humor and you have a quality summer block buster.
yes on character developement (or even existance in this case)
as for flow, i felt that there was none. all i gathered was the following:
there is the "all spark" a magical rubics cube which can turn any mechanical thing into a killer robot...converting electronic items consisting mostly of plastic on a molecular level into super-titanium killing machines...and sentient beings...and criminally insane decepticons, hellbent on killing humans...apparently. but all one has to do to kill any transformer is push it into their chest...great. so thats not the arc of the whole frikin movie is it? oh damn...it is.
and why did the decepticons want it to destroy life on earth?
just because? they apparently wouldnt have just taken off an retaken cybertron, as even the most evil, yet logically driven villain would have done. that would be too easy. in the G1 series megatron was not interested in killing humans and destroying the earth. they were INSIGNIFICANT to him as he only sought the means to get back to cyberton. sure, he gleefully killed any organic life that got in his way, but that was not his goal. because there was nothing for them to gain by destroying the earth, i really had no sense that the planet earth (or in the case of the movie, 'planet america", was in any real danger.
i wasnt asking for the G1 plot, but i also wasnt asking for the same old tired generic 'find the philosophers stone' plot, either. the decepticons were idiots as well as weak. the autobots were no more sympathetic than the decepticons, exceptions being prime and bumblebee. all we had to go on was "well, they're hanging out with prime, so they must be good....wait a minute...ironhide's about to murder a defenseless puppy...oh wait, now he's not...prime talked him out of it...hes a good guy....i guess."
i cant find a redeeming quality which saves the film. all that works for it is cullen along with 1984-1986 sentiment which bay uses as a crutch. and why borrow from the animated movie so blatantly? "one shall stand, and one shall fall"...only you wont be able to see how with all the quick cut shots and superficial human action sequences.
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Well ya see, it's been proven that you can't have good CGI and action, and have good plot in the same movie. AT least, thats what critics say. IF the movie's too fun then there's no plot. There can only be plot if the movie is boring.
you really have nothing intelligent at all to say, do you? all you do is try to discredit anyone who doesnt share your opinion via strawman games.
its kind of annoying
Originally posted by Schecter
and why did the decepticons want it to destroy life on earth?
just because?
Wasnt it b/c they wanted to use Earth's Technology to take over the Universe. Thats a direct quote from the movie i think. I guess Megatron wanted to use the All Spark to turn every technological machine into soldiers so he could create an army. Kind of like what happenned when the All spark turned that vending machine into a transformer. Also he probably wanted to destroy humans because they posed a threat to his plans.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Wasnt it b/c they wanted to use Earth's Technology to take over the Universe. Thats a direct quote from the movie i think. I guess Megatron wanted to use the All Spark to turn every technological machine into soldiers so he could create an army. Kind of like what happenned when the All spark turned that vending machine into a transformer. Also he probably wanted to destroy humans because they posed a threat to his plans.
well there it is. precisely why i think the plot is horrible as well as nonsensical. the implication is that they NEED humans to create plastic devices so that they can use there magical 'create something from nothing' cube on them. because they're too stupid to make their own vending machines and camcorders.
it ruins it for me since this is not some superficial plot point...its THE plot.
Originally posted by Schecter
well there it is. precisely why i think the plot is horrible as well as nonsensical. the implication is that they NEED humans to create plastic devices so that they can use there magical 'create something from nothing' cube on them. because they're too stupid to make their own vending machines and camcorders.it ruins it for me since this is not some superficial plot point...its THE plot.
But there planet was tapped of all their resources. Thats the whole point, theres nothing left. Earth on the other hand already has a huge abudance of technology that they need. Its actually quite brillaint to be honest. Get someone else to do the work then steal it for your own purposes. You know how long it would take them to create the amount of tech that Earth already has?
Originally posted by InnerRise
Just to clarify, the beginning ecompasses more than just the battle at the very begin at the base.That's just a part of the beginning. This is a 2 hour + movie and a lot of the beginning AND MIDDLE (read all of the post) was kind of bland and just had me wondering when we'd get back to the autobots and decepticons and away from the people.
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
I guess we just have a difference of what is well paced and what wasn't
I didn't even look at my watch once, and thats one of the ways I know the movie isn't boring, cause it holds my attention.
But then again you are only 20 so you weren't even an itch in you dads pants when the TV show was on.
Originally posted by nimbus006
But there planet was tapped of all their resources. Thats the whole point, theres nothing left. Earth on the other hand already has a huge abudance of technology that they need. Its actually quite brillaint to be honest. Get someone else to do the work then steal it for your own purposes. You know how long it would take them to create the amount of tech that Earth already has?
but the technology is unrelated. try taking apart an old cell phone. next time the vending machine guy is filling the machine with soda, check over his shoulder and see whats inside. its a hollow container and nothing more with a mechanism for collecting coins and dropping cans/bottles. they do not relate to the technology behind the transformers at all. the implication of the film is that the basis of their technology is their outer shell, as opposed to the super-advanced technology inside. they have it backwards.
i dont ask for a meticulous plot. i dont ask for absolute realism. i just ask for an interesting plot with few holes, and which makes sensewhile not insulting my intelligence.
a cel phone does contain mostly plastic: fact. a vending machine is a hallow box: fact. how do these become robots? MAGIC. well magic sucks in scifi, imho
its beyond me how so many people are comfortable with this.
Well IM not going to get into the science behind vending machines and cell phones, i was just stating that the reason they came to Earth was to use our tech to create an army b/c we have alot of it. Whether or not it makes sense for a cell phone to be able to turn into a robot...i dunno Im not an Engineer, and have no idea if thats possible. However, if im ok with watching giant talking robots, then i think i can deal with a vending machine turning into one via a cube that suppose to have the power to create life.