Originally posted by nimbus006
Do you also really believe that Giant Robots can copy themselves to transform into vehicles less than half their size? Thats probably not possible either is it genius, but yet you have no issues with that... Its the vending machines and the cell phones that really make you mad...
and so we inevitably take a smug tone.
yes i can believe that they transform to vehicles half their 'size' (in quotes because height and mass are not one and the same.) they are (as the story goes) super advance beings containing technology which the human race, in its present state, cannot even comprehend the complexities of. thats the premise, thats where the line is drawn. now im supposed to believe that not only are these machines actually quite simple, but we've been creating equally complex technology all along. to me they may as well have made dog crap come to life when coming into contact with the allspark, since it would be just about as relevant as a camcorder.
i have a legitamate gripe about the plot and you have given no reason to sway me. i guess this is the part where you should go off on some diatribe as to why my opinion is invalid, of course lacking any evidence besides assumptions on my personal character and general disposition in life, as these great interweb movie debates always end up.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
I guess we just have a difference of what is well paced and what wasn't
I didn't even look at my watch once, and thats one of the ways I know the movie isn't boring, cause it holds my attention.
And even so, just b/c you say it's not boring b/c you didn't look at your watch, doesn't mean that it wasn't boring to somebody else.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
But then again you are only 20 so you weren't even an itch in you dads pants when the TV show was on.
What that has to do with what I think about the consistency of action in any given movie, I'll never know.
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Originally posted by Schecter
and so we inevitably take a smug tone.yes i can believe that they transform to vehicles half their 'size' (in quotes because height and mass are not one and the same.) they are (as the story goes) super advance beings containing technology which the human race, in its present state, cannot even comprehend the complexities of. thats the premise, thats where the line is drawn. now im supposed to believe that not only are these machines actually quite simple, but we've been creating equally complex technology all along. to me they may as well have made dog crap come to life when coming into contact with the allspark, since it would be just about as relevant as a camcorder.
i have a legitamate gripe about the plot and you have given no reason to sway me. i guess this is the part where you should go off on some diatribe as to why my opinion is invalid, of course lacking any evidence besides assumptions on my personal character and general disposition in life, as these great interweb movie debates always end up.
From the very begginning i have only been respectful of your opinion, and still am, for i believe everyone is entitled to their own. That is what makes these forums great so we can debate what we liked and didnt like about any topic. Ive asked you questions as to why you didnt like certain things, as well as tried to give you explanations for others. Now, your previous post (before this one) you were a little rude with your knock knock comment, and it doesnt take a degree to figure it out, so in turn i gave you a "smug tone". Nothing insulting just letting you know i didnt appreciate your comments.
Moreover, I have made no assumptions about your personal character, not even once. I enjoy hearing differert opinions b/c for the most part you can learn something from them. So lets try to keep our conversation civil and passive so we can continue to have an enjoyable debate.
Dont be so defensive... i find you to be a very intellectual and sophisticated member. I hope i wasnt wrong.
the point of "knock knock" was a response to your implication that one would need an engineering degree to decifer the basic materials of household items, and to know that their camcorder is made of plastic.
if thats rude, then...well honestly: whatever.
as for a debate, there is none. ive given my opinion, it will continue to be obtusely regarded rather than explored, i expected this and hold it against nobody. 😬
Originally posted by Schecter
and so we inevitably take a smug tone.yes i can believe that they transform to vehicles half their 'size' (in quotes because height and mass are not one and the same.) they are (as the story goes)
So if they are a "super advance beings containing technology which the human race, in its present state, cannot even comprehend the complexities of", then why do you find it so hard to believe that their cube (which has the ability to create life) can turn a cell phone into a mini-robotic killing machine. 😖hifty:
You said it yourself were not suppose to comprehend. It just has the ability to do it. You keep saying but it doesnt make any sense. To you it doesnt b/c as a human you do not comprehend the complexity of why that is possible. Understand what Im saying?
Originally posted by Schecter
as for a debate, there is none. ive given my opinion, it will continue to be obtusely regarded rather than explored, i expected this and hold it against nobody. 😬
I just told you i enjoy hearing opinions b/c i can learn from them. Is that not exploring your opinion...geez stop making assumptions
Originally posted by Schecter
the point of "knock knock" was a response to your implication that one would need an engineering degree to decifer the basic materials of household items, and to know that their camcorder is made of plastic.
if thats rude, then...well honestly: whatever.
Nonetheless condescding as hell
Originally posted by nimbus006
So if they are a "super advance beings containing technology which the human race, in its present state, cannot even comprehend the complexities of", then why do you find it so hard to believe that their cube (which has the ability to create life) can turn a cell phone into a mini-robotic killing machine. 😖hifty:
my issue is this "why do they need the cellphone?" or a vending machine?
this thing can create matter from nothing, so why cant it just spit out transformers? humanities' relevance is shoehorned into the plot in a nonsensical way. not only are we relevant, but they need our plastic electronics and soda machines to procreate. all materials are readily available throughout the universe among planets and asteroids, yet they need humans to process petrolium into plastic and shape metal into a big box or its hopeless for them.
Originally posted by nimbus006
You said it yourself were not suppose to comprehend. It just has the ability to do it. You keep saying but it doesnt make any sense. To you it doesnt b/c as a human you do not comprehend the complexity of why that is possible. Understand what Im saying?
seems like a general copout to me.
Originally posted by Schecter
my issue is this "why do they need the cellphone?" or a vending machine?
this thing can create matter from nothing, so why cant it just spit out transformers? humanities' relevance is shoehorned into the plot in a nonsensical way. not only are we relevant, but they need our plastic electronics and soda machines to procreate. all materials are readily available throughout the universe among planets and asteroids, yet they need humans to process petrolium into plastic and shape metal into a big box or its hopeless for them.
Ok, i see what your saying. What do you expect though? Its a movie with actors...You need to have human involvement in a movie, and how else are you going to get that?
In your opinion, how do you think they should of involved humans into the plot? Or not at all maybe...
Originally posted by nimbus006
Ok, i see what your saying. What do you expect though? Its a movie with actors...You need to have human involvement in a movie, and how else are you going to get that?In your opinion, how do you think they should of involved humans into the plot? Or not at all maybe...
i think the original plot worked best. they were marooned on our planet, and have to collect energy in whatever form, be it energon cubes or whatever. when this is accomplished, they (the winning side) would leave earth and retake cybertron. the beauty of this plot is that not only are humans irrelevant and helpless/defenseless as they cross megatron's path, but it further exemplifies the goodness of the autobots. why? because humans were of little use to them, yet they held their lives in the same regard in terms of importance. but thats just one idea. im sure there were other routes to take. what if they need a particular resource which was depleted on cybertron. some odd metal that humans havent even discovered? so many possibilities to create a copout-free scifi plot.
in the film there is an obvious symbiotic relationship between humans and transformers (begging the question of why megatron's plan would not have been to enslave the human race to create more gadgets because he's too mechanically challenged to do it himself). we are supposed to be mere insects to them, only serving to get in the way. the autobots' plans are often hindered out of their good nature to not harm living things, while the decepticons regard them as insignificant creatures better not seen or heard.
as i said, the whole arc of the plot is that they need us to procreate. this makes no sense to me. what also makes no sense is why prime would want it destroyed. is it not safe to assume that he consciously decided to assure the exctinction of his own race?
Originally posted by nimbus006
You need to have human involvement in a movie, and how else are you going to get that?
humans helping/hindering/coexisting with transformers is one issue. reliance on humans is something else entirely.
before anyone (not you nimbus, whoever is reading) tries placing the 'fanboy' label, keep in mind that i am not against plot changes which make sense and damage the story with plot holes. like when the spiderman fanboys flipped out when they found out he shot webs from his wrists organically as opposed to a webslinger he invented. it made no difference to me since it still made sense and did not break the integrity of the story. he's part spider, so he shoots webs. fine.
it has everything to do with the integrity of the plot and nothing at all to do with sentimentally via vintage pop-culture storylines.
They werent really reliant on us... It just so happenned that the coordinates to the cube were on a pair of glasses that were in the possession of a human. Thats really how we became involved. Ironhide even said why are we protecting them they are a primitative species... They didnt need us for anything...
Originally posted by nimbus006
They werent really reliant on us... It just so happenned that the coordinates to the cube were on a pair of glasses that were in the possession of a human. Thats really how we became involved. Ironhide even said why are we protecting them they are a primitative species... They didnt need us for anything...
so whats the deal with the decepticons wanting to destroy the human race? that was illustrated as part of their mission. why should they care? i get that they are evil, but there must be a method to the maddness of any commercially successful villains. why bother making transformers which are only strong enough to be effective against humans?
their mission was to turn human technology against them. why?
Originally posted by Schecter
so whats the deal with the decepticons wanting to destroy the human race? that was illustrated as part of their mission. why should they care? i get that they are evil, but there must be a method to the maddness of any commercially successful villains. why bother making transformers which are only strong enough to be effective against humans?their mission was to turn human technology against them. why?
why do decepticons want to destroy humans? because they can, and they also have their fascist - 'surivival of the fittest' kind of beliefs, thats why they are with the decepticons.
They want to destroy us effectively, that means making more of them (by getting the Cube). and why bother? because the 8 of them wont be able to take the world or a full scale military attack, heck they couldnt even take Tyrese and Duhamel. Not only that but use The Cube to alter Earth into a new Cybertron since the old one is probably crap, Megatron needs an army behind him so that would seem like a motive right?
Awesome movie. Definitely one of the best ones this year. However, I do have some problems with it:
1. I only watched the Beast Wars series, so I don't know if this is explained in the original show, but it broke the suspension of disbelief for me when they keep having tiny, hollow objects turning into gigantic robots. Machinery just magically appears, especially with Bumblebee and the cellphone-Scorponok Decepticon.
2. The fight scenes were WAY too close up, so it was impossible to comprehend what was happening during a lot of the battles.
3. IMO, the Autobots looks too identical to one another when in robot-mode, so (other than with Optimus and Bumblebee) I had no idea who I was watching, especially during action scenes.
4. And finally, I thought that the movie dragged on for too long. They probably could have cut out half an hour.
Originally posted by The Unknown
Awesome movie. Definitely one of the best ones this year. However, I do have some problems with it:1. I only watched the Beast Wars series, so I don't know if this is explained in the original show, but it broke the suspension of disbelief for me when they keep having tiny, hollow objects turning into gigantic robots. Machinery just magically appears, especially with Bumblebee and the cellphone-Scorponok Decepticon.
2. The fight scenes were WAY too close up, so it was impossible to comprehend what was happening during a lot of the battles.
3. IMO, the Autobots looks too identical to one another when in robot-mode, so (other than with Optimus and Bumblebee) I had no idea who I was watching, especially during action scenes.
4. And finally, I thought that the movie dragged on for too long. They probably could have cut out half an hour.
just my thoughts on your review:
1. same here, but i youtubed some g1 episodes, did some research etc. 😉
2. thought the fight scenes were absolute amazing and beautiful and from the perfect angles lol thats what i thought, cuz every michael bay film has the best action angles imaginable etc 💃
3. i thought the autobots looked very distinguished, from miniature and sleek Jazz with the shades and bunny ears, to wide and buff Ironhide w/ huge arm cannons you can't mistake, not too mention they all have distinctive colours, personalities as well as voices. 😎
4. the movie was long maybe but it has a running time that doesnt end too early or too long such as Pirates 3, or X-Men 3. 🙂