Originally posted by charlemagne9746u mean before thanos was even known as a charcater. u bing this up. thanos has done more than ds has even dreamt of in ig.
What about that instance where Spiderman used his webbing to trap Thanos for 7 or 8 panels. Thanos sure had a hard time breaking those webs.
Originally posted by quanchi112Heres an avatar stating, that his true form can't be beaten. You can believe it or not, but Ds DOESN'T exaggerate.
where is the scan to prove what u said. u said u could prve darkseid loss to doomsday was an avatar. wheres this scan. 😆
Another stating that, Desaad DISGUISES himself, as Ds.
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=retcon9ha.jpg
Oh, and heres you.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/knightmj/crackhead.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
u mean before thanos was even known as a charcater. u bing this up. thanos has done more than ds has even dreamt of in ig.
DS rules a planet that super cedes all the universes of the DCU. Thanos is a small creature to DS in the grand scheme of things. Thanos seeks to rule the universe and please death. DS seeks to rule everything everywhere at all times in order for there to be order. The scale of what they want and how they go about it dictate that Thanos has flashy quick flash in the pan victories while DS ever plans for total dominion. Woudl you rather win a saturday afternoon ball game or the world series?
Originally posted by DesaadProps, for proving Quan's a liar.
What? No they didn't.Old Darkseid casually trapped the entire team in an energy field of his own making. Young Darkseid freed them, and then trapped them again.
Young Darkseid killed Old Darkseid, by manhandling Orion.
The Superteam didn't do anything besides drive Darkseid back into a Boom Tube. They never even knocked him out, never even knocked him down!
Considering that team had Lightning Lad in the body of the Progenitor, Quantum Girl, Superboy, etc. that is a fine, fine feat right there.
Thats delusional. He wasn't thrown into a Boom Tube like he was nothing. It took their most powerful members combining their powers to just push him back. Element Lad, in Legion Lost, ALONE was way above top tier. Add his powers with Lightning Lad's, and then 5 other top tier legionaires...c'mon, I don't really think you believe this.
Thanos has been knocked down by generic laser fire.
And has been similarly knocked down by a single top tier, Quasar...
How does that factor in?
Could I be a pain and ask for a little more punctuation, capitalization and paragraph structure? Not to be an ass about it, but its difficult to respond to this stream of consciousness style.
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]ur reaching by considering this story as a feat in any way.
I really don't think I am.
Unless you believe the Legion to be an extremely underpowered group of heroes, despite the fact that two or 3 of them are extremely powerful manipulators of the fundamental forces of reality...
he grabbed a different orion who served ds. this wasnt the same orion that wants to kill ds. he grabbed his gun and killed old ds with one shot. old ds got one shotted to death.
This "different" Orion was still destined to kill Darkseid. He states as much! And since only a "true" Orion can wield the Astro-Force in some way, there has to be some relationship between "this" Orion and the "Real" Orion.
Its not like they picked up a hobo off the street and put him in Orion's gear, as you seem to be implying.
old ds had prep and got worked by a younger version of himself. younger version needed no prep to beat the older one. so this proves eeven though the older one had all the prep time and a lot more knowlegde that he could beat him on the fly using this weaker version of orion with one shot.
No evidence for this being a weaker version of Orion, first of all. So cut that out right now.
Second, Old Darkseid's (OD for short) prep wasn't about beating Young Darkseid (YD). OD assumed YD would go along with it, and there was the fault in his plan, admittedly. But he didn't prep to take YD down, and was significantly less powerful than his previous self, so much so that he could barely move it seemed.
This is in no way a bad showing for either of them. The ONLY relevant thing going on here is that Old Darkseid - despite being relatively weak as a kitten - was casually able to trap the entire Legion of Superheroes in an energy field, and that Young Darkseid was both able to release them and trap them with equal ease.
No loss from Old Darkseid is a sleight on the current version. Even Young Darkseid's showing isn't indicative of Darkseid's lower power limit, as this was Darkseid before he had been systematically killing and absorbing the power of various pantheons.
These were two weaker versions of Darkseid, basically, and still managed to have amazing feats.
thanos lost in infinity gauntlet becuz he allowed his own defeat.
He defeated himself, you mean.
Which is identical to what just happened here.
darkseid couldnt get that lucky.
So you admit that Thanos getting the Gauntlet was luck? Because I'd certainly so most of it was.
people beat him all the time.
Blatant exaggeration that you will never, ever be able to back up with actual evidence.
thanos lost ig after he crushed the competition.
Wow, he beat a bunch of people less powerful than him while he had a device that made him omnipotent.
Let me tremble at his mental might!
he beat all the cosmic heirarchy at once. everyone but lt.
With a device that made him more powerful than all of them at once.
ds has never done anything of that. thanos one upped himself in marvels the end.
Darkseid beats people less powerful than him all the time.
And ultimately, thats what we are discussing here, because Thanos didn't do anything intelligent to get the power ups you are referring to. His plans were pitiful, consisting of him going from place to place and beating people up to take their lunch money.
I have no doubt that if you gave Darkseid a working Infinity Gauntlet, he would do the same thing that Thanos did, except not lose.
darkseid was killed by the time stream right before legion went back in time to where they first met.
He was killed by the destruction of a universe.
How is that a bad showing in any way?
then with two ds at once they divided them and conquered them. ds was whatver u want to call it shoved pushed whatever into a boomtube. he was dealt with. ds did nothing of note to half this team. he just replied "legion" after he got placed back to apokolips.
You seem to be missing the main thrust of my argument, and of yours as well.
You are saying that this is a bad showing for Darkseid, and as such Thanos would beat him.
I have given you two examples of Thanos having WORSE such showings -- much worse, in both cases actually.
So clearly, by your reasoning, Darkseid wins...right?
i did read the same story. its obvious two ds at once meant nothing to this team.
Haha, yeah, thats why they had been building up to this since the Dream Girl arc.
Ridiculous, and you damn well know it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
heres the difference with this. thanos got himself out of this bad situation. while in the raker fight it was all raker before the fight was stopped.
Did you even look at the scans I posted up? Had it not been for Ganymede, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get in the shot that saved him.
ds didnt lay a hand on him.
I guess that is why there was that huge explosion of GL energy in the sky, then.
he just got his ass kicked. and had a shovel keeping him down. lets see morgs axe or rakers shovel which is mightier? 😆 plus thanos defended himself from morgs axe while ds sat there helpless as someone bailed him out.
Darkseid didn't sit there helpless. His Omega beams were firing up, ready to (presumably) kill Raker while that Shovel was probably not going to do a thing to him, which is why he didn't raise his arms to protect himself.
Meanwhile, Thanos seemed to fear real death and damage from Morg.
You'll also notice that Raker didn't wade through a blast from Darkseid, while Morg seemed to casually wade through Thanos' blast.
