thanos vs darkseid with one week worth of prep

Originally posted by Nihilist
so you dont if mistress death wanted him dead she couldnt do it?

why do you not acknowledge any ig prep feats?

you aksed for a good prepped thanos feat and i gave you his feat against the hunger why did you avoid that one?

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Because if its IG it doesn't make sense that Death didn't know what he was doing beforehand, so Death wasn't a constant danger there, and how did he get permission didn't he start off by saying he is looking to take care of In betweener for death or something?

Originally posted by Desaad
Did you?

Going around and beating up the Elders and taking their gems is a plan that requires great intellect to formulate? His most impressive move during that entire bit was using a Thanos robot to go up against the Grandmaster.

My god! What GENIUS! Doom, Luthor, Darkseid, Nick Fury, Maria Hill and countless others have been doing that for YEARS.

This is what it comes down to; Thanos' plans are ridiculously simple, but anyone trying to thwart him are apparently not smart enough to overcome those simple plans.

He needed to think up plans to overtake the Elders off the top of his head. He needed to think up all the ways that he could achieve his goal.

Aren't all of the ones named pretty smart anyway? Besides, Thanos doesn't use robots besides his first appearance, so it's taking by surprise.

Besides, no one's using the IG example as the best feat ever, it's just being explained to those who think it was all laid out for him.

Anyone's an idiot that Thanos outsmarts? Well, I guess Thanos is an idiot as well... *insert errm*

Originally posted by Desaad
Hahaha, they sound great when you just give the broad strokes, don't they?

But then you give the specifics, and suddenly they fall apart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
To become more like Thanos. 😛

Darkseid is the original, why would he want to become like the character who was modeled after him? And why would he be content working for Death?

Originally posted by Allankles
I said he is a representation of evil. I didn't say he is 100% evil. His will to dominate is the overriding theme of his character. He allows no remorse or compassion and he seeks the ability to control all life. What has changed? He doesn't do things for evil's sake (no one is saying that) but he wants to order existence according to his rules.

Because he honestly believes that things are better that way. He has no illusions about what he does, but what he does is out of necessity not glee in the pain of others.

He genuinely believes that Apokolips is a paradise. That the chaos of freedom, the chaos of unrestrained life, is dangerous and needs to cut from the universe like a tumor from a mind.

THANOS wanted death. THANOS was pure evil in so far as all he desired was death, and the love of the conception of death. Mongul is evil - all he wants is to conquer. Despero is evil, all he wants is to destroy, to spread his hate.

Darkseid hates to see unnecessary waste. He avoids the death or pain of children when possible. He permits it when absolutely necessary, but takes no part in it (he has Desaad do it). He despises Desaad's pleasure in pain. He respects Orion, his son, for his bold ferocity, his iron will and his lack of fear. He respects a warrior's spirit and hates to see that perverted or sullied (as when Desaad was powering up Kalibak from afar).

Darkseid sheds a tear at his son's presumed death.

Morrison is playing him as a fundamental aspect of evil. The gnostic devil spirit.

That ISN'T what he is, but I'm fine to see it play out for this story.

But Darkseid is tyranny, and like all great tyrants, he sees himself as the hero of his own story.

Originally posted by Allankles
Because if its IG it doesn't make sense that Death didn't know what he was doing beforehand, so Death wasn't a constant danger there, and how did he get permission didn't he start off by saying he is looking to take care of In betweener for death or something?

Death was a danger in so far as if she found out what he was doing, she probably would have killed him.

She wasn't a danger as she apparently just took Thanos' word, not even consulting her own pool to tell her the truth.

So she's an idiot.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
No.

He needed to think up plans to overtake the Elders off the top of his head. He needed to think up all the ways that he could achieve his goal.

Off the top of his head? Thanos got the information from the well, and very likely got or had information on the Elders as well.

Where is it said, or implied, that he's doing it 'all of the top of his head'?

Aren't all of the ones named pretty smart anyway?

That's just the point, isn't it? They AREN'T smart because the level of 'the plans' that defeated them were INFANTILE. Cliched villain hackery.

Besides, Thanos doesn't use robots besides his first appearance, so it's taking by surprise.

It's not about whether Thanos uses them or not (and in fact, he did turn Gaetar into a Thanos-simulcram during his return in Silver Surfer which came just a few months before Infinity Gauntlet), it's about the fact that apparently some as intelligent and cosmically powerful as Grand Master couldn't figure out that Thanos might not be totally playing on the up and up as he was.

Besides, no one's using the IG example as the best feat ever, it's just being explained to those who think it was all laid out for him.

But thats just it; it isn't any type of intelligence feat AT ALL. The truth is it WAS mostly laid out for him, and what little he had to do for the gems required very little intelligence.

I'm not saying that Thanos has never done anything impressive, but pretty much everything since his return has been pretty lackluster.

What? Thanos caused two planets to crash together with a sizable explosive in between them?

Yeah. How is this intelligent? A couple of planets and some nukes?

Apparently Earth-2 Superman was likewise a genius since he threw two planetoids at the Anti-Monitor during the Crisis.

Mon-El, too, since he did the same against the Time Trapper in Legion 50.

And Pre-Crisis Superboy, as well.

And teleporting to an unstable world so he could distract Omega so he could destroy his ship, and then put his armada around so he could destroy Omega, suddenly makes the feats fall apart?

His ultimate plan being to teleport Omega to a planet made of fissionable material and then blasting him? Is anyone supposed to be impressed by that?

Originally posted by Desaad
Because he honestly believes that things are better that way. He has no illusions about what he does, but what he does is out of necessity not glee in the pain of others.

He genuinely believes that Apokolips is a paradise. That the chaos of freedom, the chaos of unrestrained life, is dangerous and needs to cut from the universe like a tumor from a mind.

THANOS wanted death. THANOS was pure evil in so far as all he desired was death, and the love of the conception of death. Mongul is evil - all he wants is to conquer. Despero is evil, all he wants is to destroy, to spread his hate.

Darkseid hates to see unnecessary waste. He avoids the death or pain of children when possible. He permits it when absolutely necessary, but takes no part in it (he has Desaad do it). He despises Desaad's pleasure in pain. He respects Orion, his son, for his bold ferocity, his iron will and his lack of fear. He respects a warrior's spirit and hates to see that perverted or sullied (as when Desaad was powering up Kalibak from afar).

Darkseid sheds a tear at his son's presumed death.

Morrison is playing him as a fundamental aspect of evil. The gnostic devil spirit.

That ISN'T what he is, but I'm fine to see it play out for this story.

But Darkseid is tyranny, and like all great tyrants, he sees himself as the hero of his own story.

It's exactly what I said, minus mentioning his noble qualities, I know he has a sense of nobility which is somewhat strange for a tyrant of a dystopic empire. I said he seeks to order existence itself according to his rules, where Darkseid is evil IMO is in the price that is paid to acquire this reality. You don't have to be a sadist or a nihilist to represent an aspect of evil. For me Darkseid's overriding traits is his pride, its what makes him demand total obedience of all his subjects and it is what has driven him to attack his enemies like the JL and Superman.

Originally posted by Allankles
It's exactly what I said, minus mentioning his noble qualities,

But the noble qualities are the entire point of my post.

Being a tyrant and being evil are not the same things.

I know he has a sense of nobility which is somewhat strange for a tyrant of a dystopic empire. I said he seeks to order existence itself according to his rules, where Darkseid is evil IMO is in the price that is paid to acquire this reality. You don't have to be a sadist or a nihilist to represent an aspect of evil.

He's pragmatic. If you ascribe to that 'evil'...well, I think most would agree with you.

But that is a subjective opinion.

As he gets portrayed in a lot of his guest appearances, and as he is being portrayed right now in Final Crisis, he is true evil incarnate. Not Tyranny, but evil. He flatly states as such in his Young Justice appearance (which is otherwise surprisingly decent). And Morrison has said over and over that his version of Darkseid is THE God of Evil (in the same way that Orion is actually the God of Battle, so much so that the various heroes of the DCU are losing their fighting edge due to his death).

For me Darkseid's overriding traits is his pride, its what makes him demand total obedience of all his subjects and it is what has driven him to attack his enemies like the JL and Superman.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

I would have argued that his overriding trait is his intelligence, and his will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos most def. darkseid is fooled by batman on the fly. batman just thought something up on the go. while thanos would literally destroy ds with prep.

Pre Crisis Darkseid would beat down Thanos, Darkseid is the champ here

Thanos doesn't need prep to beat Post Crisis Darksied, that fake of a villain is a joke and that's why everyone calls him "Jobberseid". Darkseid has got weaker as the years rolled on but Thanos only got stronger. How many times has Batman bruised Darkseid's face, its gone beyond a joke.

Originally posted by Firestorms
Pre Crisis Darkseid would beat down Thanos, Darkseid is the champ here

Thanos doesn't need prep to beat Post Crisis Darksied, that fake of a villain is a joke and that's why everyone calls him "Jobberseid". Darkseid has got weaker as the years rolled on but Thanos only got stronger. How many times has Batman bruised Darkseid's face, its gone beyond a joke.