thanos vs darkseid with one week worth of prep

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When Thanos splits and entire pantheon of Gods down the middle into two still powerful pantheon's Let us know. When Thanos would cause the collapse of the time stream with him being removed from it let us know. When Thanos can sustain war with The guardians of the galaxy and they have to back off and call a trude, let us know. When Thanos can punk The Legion let us know. When Thanos can create a being as powerful as stayne out of his own power let us know. When thanos can do anything on his own without a power up, please let us know. Until then, your entire point is moot. Hell, Thanos isn't even tuff on his own. He's upgraded due to death and the powerup's he's stolen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
whoa whoa whoa. ds being removed from the time stream had nothing to do with him being darkseid. it was that time is delicate and anyone being ripped from time like that could have the catastrophic events. anyways ds pulled young ds thorugh. legion had to save ds, time was collapsing so if ds wanted to kill himself and everyone in it he accomplished his goal. but he didnt and asked legion to let him go with them. why do u keep bringing up stayne. like this feat makes him so powerful. if stayne were as powerful as u say why does ds lose to beings like superman and get his ass kicked by raker. ds stole so many beings powers in gds. he stole. u seem to conveniently forget that, ds was nothing and was simply forgotten in that story. this is one of ds most successful stories and he succeeds in this story becuz he starts stealing peoples powers. he was forgotten and he snuck around stealing powers right to make himself something again. thanos loses to plotdevices, ghosts, and cheapshots. while ds loses to superman,doomsday, and raker. in those fights ds looked very weak. it wasnt even like it went back and forth. the end result was ds looking beat down.

I read your first sentence and knew you didn't know what you were talking about and that the rest of your post was garbage.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I read your first sentence and knew you didn't know what you were talking about and that the rest of your post was garbage.

Originally posted by panthergod
Hilarious thread, folks.

IOnce again we see the Darkseid apologists do anything they can to ignore and lie about Darkseid's history of incompetence and failure in comparison to someone like Thanos, who is FAR more consistently succesful.

Between the lie about imaginary avatars being why he is inferior to Superman physically and using irrlevant feats like OWAW, wher ehe was aided by cosmic beings lke Kismet, it is clear that the desperate Darkised mareks wil do anything possible to lie about thier favorites failures.

Astro/Desaad, I'm not surprised to see you point out Quanchi's inconsistencies, while not daring to challenge the boldfaced lies that the Darkseid fetishists advance. Why not correct BOTH sides of this debate with your superior knowledge and show some impartiality for once instead of attacking the reltively FEW logical flaws that Quanchi made? Would it make you feel like les of a Darkise dfan to destroy the lies rthat his side is advocating?

I have corrected both sides of the debate, and on multiple threads in this very forum.

I've REPEATEDLY corrected nvr, and did so just recently on the "three gods vs 6 top tier" thread, as well as a number of people. Its gotten to the point that he's created this imaginary grudge I have against him, rather than accepting that he lies in virtually every one of his posts.

Let me also take a moment to point out the hypocritical nature of your grievance against me for not being more strenuous in correcting "Darkseid fetishists" - something patently untrue as anyone who read this or any or thread I posted in can attest to - when you yourself have never once taken it upon yourself to curb the ridiculous tendencies of RC or Pillow Biter or, indeed, YOURSELF.

Not exactly a champion of the balanced view, are you? Well, its a bit of a moot point, since I doubt you see yourself as the disgustingly biased individual that the internet at large sees you.

Anyways, Thanos has made it clear that he is consistently more successful and formidable than Darkseid.

I'd be willing to debate the point with you, actually, especially if you are talking about the quality of the plans they each implement.

Shall we, oh purveyor of Thanos and Darkseid knowledge?

Darkseid loses more often against the level of opposition than Thanos tends to tear apart, mroe cosnsitent, and fails in his goals more often.

I won't disagree with the fact that his plans ultimately come to nothing more often than Thanos' might, but I chalk it up to the opposition they face, or rather the intelligence of the opposition they face.

Since you fancy yourself an expert on both Thanos and Darkseid far beyond my own meager ability, I certainly don't need to point out to you the relatively simplistic, chance based "planning" of Thanos and compare it to the sublties of many a Darkseid plan, so I won't.

But just think on it, won't you? And next time you go in half cocked, desperate to prove your innate superiority over someone, be sure to check your facts. At least when you can be proven wrong with nothing more than a cursory glance at this thread, and the front page of the site.

desaad in foundations. when ds was ripped thorugh the timestream was that due to ds importance or due to mainly screwing with the timestream. that is why they didnt put superboy back becuz if they guessed with any uncertainty who knows what kind of crap it could have caused.

desaad thanos is much more successful in his schemes than ds. who cares whos more subtle than the other one. thanos succeeds where ds tries tries again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
desaad in foundations. when ds was ripped thorugh the timestream was that due to ds importance or due to mainly screwing with the timestream. that is why they didnt put superboy back becuz if they guessed with any uncertainty who knows what kind of crap it could have caused.

I believe they made the point that someone of Darkseid's importance to the universe could not be removed from the timestream without destroying it, yeah.

I'd have to read it to be sure, but I recall a lot of people being quite excited by that aspect of the story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
desaad thanos is much more successful in his schemes than ds. who cares whos more subtle than the other one. thanos succeeds where ds tries tries again.

Let me illustrate the difference.

You and me, we are both playing a game of chess against respective opponents.

I am facing a mentally handicapped child.

You are facing Bobby Fisher.

Now, I easily win my game, despite relying on simplistic and childish strategy.

You give it a decent go against Bobby Fisher, but ultimately, despite having moves far superior to my own, you lose your game because you are facing a canny, intelligent foe who can see your moves for what they are.

So which one of us is the better chess player? I won my game, does that make me better than you?

Of course not, because the levels of opposition we faced are different, and a dissection of our respective strategies will bear that out.

Originally posted by Desaad
I believe they made the point that someone of Darkseid's importance to the universe could not be removed from the timestream without destroying it, yeah.

I'd have to read it to be sure, but I recall a lot of people being quite excited by that aspect of the story.

desaad what have u to say with regards to thanos being a better planner than ds, better hand to hand fighter, and being far more successful than ds.

Originally posted by Desaad
Let me illustrate the difference.

You and me, we are both playing a game of chess against respective opponents.

I am facing a mentally handicapped child.

You are facing Bobby Fisher.

Now, I easily win my game, despite relying on simplistic and childish strategy.

You give it a decent go against Bobby Fisher, but ultimately, despite having moves far superior to my own, you lose your game because you are facing a canny, intelligent foe who can see your moves for what they are.

So which one of us is the better chess player? I won my game, does that make me better than you?

Of course not, because the levels of opposition we faced are different, and a dissection of our respective strategies will bear that out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
what? please reread it. in the same story they couldnt place superboy back becuz of the possible damage it could cause if they messed with the timestream. this has been misinterpreted. it has to do with the amount of delicate care of anyone messing with with the time stream in any way.

I'll re-read it and get back to you sometime later today or tomorrow.

desaad what have u to say with regards to thanos being a better planner than ds, better hand to hand fighter, and being far more successful than ds.

I don't think Thanos is a better planner. I DO think he's been more successful, but I hope I illustrated my point in my previous post.

In hand to hand...Thanos is definitely, on average, the more physical villain. But Darkseid has the single greatest showing between the two of them of genuine hand to hand skill, and has greater speed showings on occasion as well.

I DO think that Thanos is stronger and more durable than Darkseid. Especially more durable.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'll re-read it and get back to you sometime later today or tomorrow.

I don't think Thanos is a better planner. I DO think he's been more successful, but I hope I illustrated my point in my previous post.

In hand to hand...Thanos is definitely, on average, the more physical villain. But Darkseid has the single greatest showing between the two of them of genuine hand to hand skill, and has greater speed showings on occasion as well.

I DO think that Thanos is stronger and more durable than Darkseid. Especially more durable.

Originally posted by Desaad
I have corrected both sides of the debate, and on multiple threads in this very forum.

I've REPEATEDLY corrected nvr, and did so just recently on the "three gods vs 6 top tier" thread, as well as a number of people. Its gotten to the point that he's created this imaginary grudge I have against him, rather than accepting that he lies in virtually every one of his posts.

Let me also take a moment to point out the hypocritical nature of your grievance against me for not being more strenuous in correcting "Darkseid fetishists" - something patently untrue as anyone who read this or any or thread I posted in can attest to - when you yourself have never once taken it upon yourself to curb the ridiculous tendencies of RC or Pillow Biter or, indeed, YOURSELF.

Not exactly a champion of the balanced view, are you? Well, its a bit of a moot point, since I doubt you see yourself as the disgustingly biased individual that the internet at large sees you.

I'd be willing to debate the point with you, actually, especially if you are talking about the quality of the plans they each implement.

Shall we, oh purveyor of Thanos and Darkseid knowledge?

I won't disagree with the fact that his plans ultimately come to nothing more often than Thanos' might, but I chalk it up to the opposition they face, or rather the intelligence of the opposition they face.

Since you fancy yourself an expert on both Thanos and Darkseid far beyond my own meager ability, I certainly don't need to point out to you the relatively simplistic, chance based "planning" of Thanos and compare it to the sublties of many a Darkseid plan, so I won't.

But just think on it, won't you? And next time you go in half cocked, desperate to prove your innate superiority over someone, be sure to check your facts. At least when you can be proven wrong with nothing more than a cursory glance at this thread, and the front page of the site.

So your sayign i'm lying every time I post? Tell me this then, When I summed up why I think DS is superior to Thanos not one page ago, and quanchi answered me, then what was the lie? Now tread carefully and make sure youpoint out the lie since you put your foot in your mouth. Please point out the lies. I"ll give you a hint, I started out by asking someone to call me when Thanos goes to war with the guardians, ect. Please enlighten us all on my lies since I lie every time I post. Do tell? We are waiting.

Originally posted by Desaad
I have corrected both sides of the debate, and on multiple threads in this very forum.

I've REPEATEDLY corrected nvr, and did so just recently on the "three gods vs 6 top tier" thread, as well as a number of people. Its gotten to the point that he's created this imaginary grudge I have against him, rather than accepting that he lies in virtually every one of his posts.

But just think on it, won't you? And next time you go in half cocked, desperate to prove your innate superiority over someone, be sure to check your facts. At least when you can be proven wrong with nothing more than a cursory glance at this thread, and the front page of the site.

Originally posted by panthergod
I must have missed those posts in this thread then. 'Cause all I saw was you ripping into Quanchi.

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Let me also take a moment to point out the hypocritical nature of your grievance against me for not being more strenuous in correcting "Darkseid fetishists" - something patently untrue as anyone who read this or any or thread I posted in can attest to - when you yourself have never once taken it upon yourself to curb the ridiculous tendencies of RC or Pillow Biter or, indeed, YOURSELF.

Since I just got done correcting Rc on his ridiculous about Superman beating Galactus on the DCboards and have always mae a point of making clear where me and PB part ways in opinion--you're wrong.

You can't name a single one of my views that isn't supported by the comics, so please, save it. I've been wrong before, but let's be real, you're a knowledgeable guy, but you're no less biased than I or PB. Hell, you still think that Orion is as strong as Superman. You have no claim to impartiality, and never have.

Name my biases, then. Really, please name them, Astro. I'll be glacd to concede anything I'm wrong about, and have always been.

The "quality of the plans really is besides the point.

Batman has displayed superior, more intricate combat knowledge to Captain America.

Cap, however, is still far more consistently sucessful with implementing his plans against a higher calibur of opposition than Batman has been.

Thus, Cap>Batman in formidabililty.

Darkseid's schemes can be as intricate as all get out. If Thanos simple stratagems acomplish his goals, and Darkseid's don't, then Thanos is superior to Darkseid.

That might be a legit point.

Actually, no it's not. DC ehroes do tend to be generally more cerebral, but Al too often Darkseid has benn flat out caught with his panties down and embarrassed. Thanos tends to save face far mnore often.

Regardless, the gulf in terms of personal formidabililty is clear.

I'll never claim to be as knowledgeable about Darksied as you.

However, when such immense

I don;t go around reading ever single thread here/ [/QUOTE] for the most part panthergod desaad has stood somewhat in the middle. disagreeing with myself and nver. but i still disagree with desaad about a few things. i still see him giving ds a little to much credit for things and giving him the benefit of the doubt. but im sure people say i never give ds the benefit of the doubt. i do agree though ds has looked very bad on more occasions than thanos. doomsday in hunter and prey and superman in apokolips now was embarrassing. these were rapes of ds. he like was just crushed. there can be no denying that thanos is way more successful than ds. ds fans will say he needs powerups. 😆 when conquering the universe who doesnt. they are upset cuz ds rarely ever gets the ones he goes after, example the godwave. damn ares. 😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So your sayign i'm lying every time I post? Tell me this then, When I summed up why I think DS is superior to Thanos not one page ago, and quanchi answered me, then what was the lie? Now tread carefully and make sure youpoint out the lie since you put your foot in your mouth. Please point out the lies. I"ll give you a hint, I started out by asking someone to call me when Thanos goes to war with the guardians, ect. Please enlighten us all on my lies since I lie every time I post. Do tell? We are waiting.

Good thing I said virtually, isn't it?

Originally posted by panthergod
I must have missed those posts in this thread then. 'Cause all I saw was you ripping into Quanchi.

Don't care what you did or didn't see.

Since I just got done correcting Rc on his ridiculous about Superman beating Galactus on the DCboards and have always mae a point of making clear where me and PB part ways in opinion--you're wrong.

I'm not wrong, and I'll bet the majority of people from SHC that remember you, or have interacted with you, would agree with my rememberance.

You don't go out of your way to disagree with RC, because the truth is you AGREE with him, and he is doing your dirty work for you.

You can't name a single one of my views that isn't supported by the comics, so please, save it.

Isn't that what we all say? No one thinks their views are wrong, are unsupported by the text.

I know you know this deep down. I know you know it can't just be a coincidence that everyone, across every board, recognizes what you do and what you believe to be dishonest and baseless.

But you chug along anyway, god bless you.

I've been wrong before, but let's be real, you're a knowledgeable guy, but you're no less biased than I or PB. Hell, you still think that Orion is as strong as Superman. You have no claim to impartiality, and never have.

It really bothers you that someone might believe that another character has strength over Superman, doesn't it? It really gets your goat?

Well, you are going to need to get over it. I've never said that Orion was stronger than Superman. I've always maintained that they were roughly equal, and whats more, you can't prove that they aren't.

I certainly give Orion the MAJORITY over Superman, but thats another situation all together, as you well know.

Name my biases, then. Really, please name them, Astro. I'll be glacd to concede anything I'm wrong about, and have always been.

Thats just it. Its impossible to convince you that you might be wrong about something, despite a burden of evidence that can be described only as staggering, and a wave of popular opinion that can only be classified as the vast majority.

It doesn't matter how badly you get defeated in a debate -- you just don't give in, and you don't give up, and you refuse to admit it to yourself.

And thats admirable in a way, I don't want you to think its necessarily a knock against you. But it makes debating with you extremely tedious - as it used to be with Jimmy - and ultimately unproductive.

The "quality of the plans really is besides the point.

Depends on the point.

Batman has displayed superior, more intricate combat knowledge to Captain America.

Give me some examples of those, would you?

Cap, however, is still far more consistently sucessful with implementing his plans against a higher calibur of opposition than Batman has been.

Give me some examples of this, would you?

Thus, Cap>Batman in formidabililty.

Prove this, won't you?

Darkseid's schemes can be as intricate as all get out. If Thanos simple stratagems acomplish his goals, and Darkseid's don't, then Thanos is superior to Darkseid.

And were they facing the same caliber of foe, I would agree.

That might be a legit point.

Actually, no it's not. DC ehroes do tend to be generally more cerebral, but Al too often Darkseid has benn flat out caught with his panties down and embarrassed. Thanos tends to save face far mnore often.

I don't care what you think about how they take losing, Jelly. This isn't about which character you like more, or it shouldn't be.

Its about the simple fact that a plan that will work for Thanos is too simplistic to work for Darkseid, and that has been demonstrated over and over again.

Thanos' brush with the Soul Gems, the Cosmic Cube, the Infinity Gauntlet, and the Heart of the Universe all stemmed from good luck, good fortune and the advantage of a magical plot device that told them whatever they needed to know. No careful research, no careful planning. Death told him of the Soul Gems, death told him of the Cosmic Cubes, the Infinity Well told him of the Infinity Gauntlet, and he was just lucky enough to have an opening to get the heart of the universe - an opening he never came close to planning.

He needed Warlock to strategize the Infinity War and Infinity Crusade, he nearly allowed Annihilus and the Annihilation Wave to overrun the universe because of his poor planning.

These plans were pitiful. The fact that they succeeded is only a testament to the intellectual opposition he faced at the time.

And that, by the by, is not a statement on Marvel characters as a whole. I don't think DC's characters are, by nature, more cerebral. But Starlin isn't a very intelligent writer, and a plan is only as good as its author. And so Marvel's characters suffer by comparison.

But the comparison remains the same, and it remains valid.

I don;t go around reading ever single thread here/

Perhaps it would behoove you to do a bit of research before you go off half cocked then?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When Thanos splits and entire pantheon of Gods down the middle into two still powerful pantheon's Let us know. When Thanos would cause the collapse of the time stream with him being removed from it let us know. When Thanos can sustain war with The guardians of the galaxy and they have to back off and call a trude, let us know. When Thanos can punk The Legion let us know. When Thanos can create a being as powerful as stayne out of his own power let us know. When thanos can do anything on his own without a power up, please let us know. Until then, your entire point is moot. Hell, Thanos isn't even tuff on his own. He's upgraded due to death and the powerup's he's stolen.

I took a moment and went ahead and looked at this, to see if I could find some misrepresentations.

Looky here, I did indeed!

"Thanos can't do anything on his own without a power up". Well, certainly he and his army took over Titan without a power up.

Certainly he took on Thor and Thing at once without a power up.

Certainly he killed Adam Warlock without a power up.

And thats before the standard power up he got when he was ressurected.

Now, the hypocrisies of your statements come in here; Darkseid, of course, was not BORN with the power that he has now. He was born Uxas, second son of Queen Heggra and Yuga Khan, and it was only after he took the power of the Infinity Pit - a POWER UP - that he became the powerful being he is today.

Originally posted by Desaad
I took a moment and went ahead and looked at this, to see if I could find some misrepresentations.

Looky here, I did indeed!

"Thanos can't do anything on his own without a power up". Well, certainly he and his army took over Titan without a power up.

Certainly he took on Thor and Thing at once without a power up.

Certainly he killed Adam Warlock without a power up.

And thats before the standard power up he got when he was ressurected.

Now, the hypocrisies of your statements come in here; Darkseid, of course, was not BORN with the power that he has now. He was born Uxas, second son of Queen Heggra and Yuga Khan, and it was only after he took the power of the Infinity Pit - a POWER UP - that he became the powerful being he is today.

Well he TOOK the power...I don't think it was ever really Drax's to begin with. I do think Uxas was destined to take it, hence the prophecies of Darkseid, but its a power up nonetheless.