thanos vs darkseid with one week worth of prep

Originally posted by quanchi112
Grandmaster was prepared and so was the Runner. Doom also prepped to gain the heart but fell short.

Darkseid along with massive support stopped Ares. Ares became the big threat not Darkseid. See,Darkseid isnt what Thanos is. Darkseid is a lot like the he-man villain skeletor. He always loses at the end of the story no matter how clever he is. The good guys always stop him.

Thanos in terms of prep>>>Darkseid. It isnt even close.

You're making yourself look really silly now. Thanos isn't equivalent to Darkseid in Marvel. He was originally meant to be (with IG and all that), but he is (by comparison to Darkseid) a bit of a fringe player. And his whole service to death phase just makes him less menacing e.g. Darkseid subjugates earth in Final Crisis murdering many a super hero in the process and turning Earth into one of his colonies, to put it simply Earth becomes as dystopic as Apokolips. Thanos doesn't occupy such a position in Marvel.

Originally posted by Allankles
No one said its a fluke but its a one phase process and the idea that ultimate power is lying in artifacts that are within reach is to put it mildly, convenient.

He doesn't have to play a grand game of intrigue or risk or even intellect to acquire these artifacts. Further what process does he use to acquire knowledge of these artifacts? we don't get much elaboration so the plots just turn out to be shallow. With the IG most of the guardians were disappointing.

With Darkseid there's much greater exposition. He manipulates situations by taking calculated risks, he is playing for ultimate power and naturally puts himself at ultimate risk, death itself. The manner with which Thanos acquires his artifacts is extremely (for lack of a better word) cheap by comparison.

No intellect, or risk is involved to acquire the artifacts... what? Did you read Thanos Quest, or The End? Or any story involving Thanos?
Anyway, he's also done stuff such as taking out both Hunger and Galactus at the same time, and due to his plan, Omega was destroyed. Improved some of the most advanced races in the universe's tech, etc. If you think he's only a one-trick poney, then you're sorely mistaken.

With the IG, it's all shown (on-panel), and with the HOTU, everything was against him saying that it doesn't exist, and yet he still researched, and researched, and eventually found it. Almost all the time Thanos's plots are shown, but you can't very well take up a whole story arc explaining the intricacies of his plans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had to locate and defeat each elder to gain each and every gem. Thats impressive. Darkseid takes risks and loses. He is that gambler we all feel bad for because sooner or later he loses everything.

He might lose everything because he takes risks, because in his universe ultimate power involves overwhelming risk, not some dopey Elders.

That's what you don't get, Darkseid represents true evil, ultimate and final domination so in his stories writers don't play around. Kirby had the idea of a saga with the new gods a powerful and ultimately tragic saga. Thanos is the PG-13 version of Darkseid down to the "immune to death" clause in his profile.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
He still needs to work on all the plans to get these artifacts.

No intellect, or risk is involved to acquire the artifacts... what? Did you read Thanos Quest, or The End? Or any story involving Thanos?
Anyway, he's also done stuff such as taking out both Hunger and Galactus at the same time, and due to his plan, Omega was destroyed. Improved some of the most advanced races in the universe's tech, etc. If you think he's only a one-trick poney, then you're sorely mistaken.

With the IG, it's all shown (on-panel), and with the HOTU, everything was against him saying that it doesn't exist, and yet he still researched, and researched, and eventually found it. Almost all the time Thanos's plots are shown, but you can't very well take up a whole story arc explaining the intricacies of his plans.

Again I'm not arguing against Thanos' intellect merely questioning the validity that he is better at prep. And I have read Quest (some years ago) and I'm familiar with other Thanos stories, again if you read the IG saga, the HOTU acquisition and others the risk was not really there. He wasn't forced to rethink or be creative or be incresingly inventive in those situations. For instance he toyed with many of the so called Elders.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're making yourself look really silly now. Thanos isn't equivalent to Darkseid in Marvel. He was originally meant to be (with IG and all that), but he is (by comparison to Darkseid) a bit of a fringe player. And his whole service to death phase just makes him less menacing e.g. Darkseid subjugates earth in Final Crisis murdering many a super hero in the process and turning Earth into one of his colonies, to put it simply Earth becomes as dystopic as Apokolips. Thanos doesn't occupy such a position in Marvel.

Thanos exceeded Darkseid many moons ago.

Originally posted by Allankles
Again I'm not arguing against Thanos' intellect merely questioning the validity that he is better at prep. And I have read Quest (some years ago) and I'm familiar with other Thanos stories, again if you read the IG saga, the HOTU acquisition and others the risk was not really there. He wasn't forced to rethink or be creative or be incresingly inventive in those situations. For instance he toyed with many of the so called Elders.

He had to dive into the Heart of the Universe, and create a new body to handle the powers... 😐

Which would mean that his execution was perfect... 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has greater feats in terms of power. Thanos wouldnt set his goals as low as enslaving earth. He wants the universe and has held in his grasp how many times. Darkseid just continually drops the ball.

Thanos exceeded Darkseid many moons ago.

And what do you think Darkseid's quest is? 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
He might lose everything because he takes risks, because in his universe ultimate power involves overwhelming risk, not some dopey Elders.

That's what you don't get, Darkseid represents true evil, ultimate and final domination so in his stories writers don't play around. Kirby had the idea of a saga with the new gods a powerful and ultimately tragic saga. Thanos is the PG-13 version of Darkseid down to the "immune to death" clause in his profile.

Darkseid loses,Thanos wins. Simple. Honest. Real.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
What if Thanos was wrong? What if I-B wasn't weakened in the realm? That seems to be a massive risk. Don't want to list them all.

He had to dive into the Heart of the Universe, and create a new body to handle the powers... 😐

Which would mean that his execution was perfect... 😬

What risk!

Originally posted by Allankles
And what do you think Darkseid's quest is? 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
What risk!

Anyway, great point, I hadn't thought of it like that.

Originally posted by Allankles
What risk!

Originally posted by Allankles
Again I'm not arguing against Thanos' intellect merely questioning the validity that he is better at prep. And I have read Quest (some years ago) and I'm familiar with other Thanos stories, again if you read the IG saga, the HOTU acquisition and others the risk was not really there. He wasn't forced to rethink or be creative or be incresingly inventive in those situations. For instance he toyed with many of the so called Elders.

to gain the ig he had to manipulate/trick wistress death as well,because he had a ulteria motive,would you say thats not risky?or taking galactus head on in his own ship to try and prevent and disaster by galactus own actions

Originally posted by quanchi112
true evil is so boring imo. Cant they find another angle. Thanos has already done everything that Darkseid is still attempting to accomplish.

Darkseid loses,Thanos wins. Simple. Honest. Real.

Why dilute the character? Thanos has become a cosmic busboy to death. Darkseid remains a dark overlord.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
[B]He still needs to work on all the plans to get these artifacts.

And what plans they are!

No intellect, or risk is involved to acquire the artifacts... what? Did you read Thanos Quest, or The End?

Did you?

Going around and beating up the Elders and taking their gems is a plan that requires great intellect to formulate? His most impressive move during that entire bit was using a Thanos robot to go up against the Grandmaster.

My god! What GENIUS! Doom, Luthor, Darkseid, Nick Fury, Maria Hill and countless others have been doing that for YEARS.

This is what it comes down to; Thanos' plans are ridiculously simple, but anyone trying to thwart him are apparently not smart enough to overcome those simple plans.

Anyway, he's also done stuff such as taking out both Hunger and Galactus at the same time, and due to his plan, Omega was destroyed.

Hahaha, they sound great when you just give the broad strokes, don't they?

But then you give the specifics, and suddenly they fall apart.

Originally posted by Allankles
He might lose everything because he takes risks, because in his universe ultimate power involves overwhelming risk, not some dopey Elders.

That's what you don't get, Darkseid represents true evil, ultimate and final domination so in his stories writers don't play around. Kirby had the idea of a saga with the new gods a powerful and ultimately tragic saga. Thanos is the PG-13 version of Darkseid down to the "immune to death" clause in his profile.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Kirby's Darkseid was far from absolute evil. He was a far more complex character than 100% of the villains out there at the time, and 99% of the villains out there today.

Simonson showed the same.

Morrison is taking a different tact, and that's his choice, but it has nothing to do with the way that Kirby established his characterization.

Originally posted by Nihilist
to gain the ig he had to manipulate/trick wistress death,becuase he had a ulteria motive,would you say thats not risky?or taking galactus head on in his own ship to try and prevent and disaster by galactus own actions

All well and good but he has the whole immune to death clause. As for death herself what story line are you talking about, don't tell me the IG stories?

Originally posted by Allankles
All well and good but he has the whole immune to death clause. As for death herself what story line are you talking about, don't tell me the IG stories?

Yes, the IG storyline. He told death that the Infinity Gauntlet would multiply his powers by 10 when in fact they would do much much more (making him her superior).

Originally posted by Allankles
All well and good but he has the whole immune to death clause. As for death herself what story line are you talking about, don't tell me the IG stories?

why do you not acknowledge any ig prep feats?

you aksed for a good prepped thanos feat and i gave you his feat against the hunger why did you avoid that one?

Originally posted by Desaad
Yes, the IG storyline. He told death that the Infinity Gauntlet would multiply his powers by 10 when in fact they would do much much more (making him her superior).

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Originally posted by Desaad
I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Kirby's Darkseid was far from absolute evil. He was a far more complex character than 100% of the villains out there at the time, and 99% of the villains out there today.

Simonson showed the same.

Morrison is taking a different tact, and that's his choice, but it has nothing to do with the way that Kirby established his characterization.

I said he is a representation of evil. I didn't say he is 100% evil. His will to dominate is the overriding theme of his character. He allows no remorse or compassion and he seeks the ability to control all life. What has changed? He doesn't do things for evil's sake (no one is saying that) but he wants to order existence according to his rules.