Anthropic Principle (or Anthropic Coincidences) What do you know about them?

What do you know about the Anthropic Principle? Did you know that there are many Anthropic Coincidences that in a nutshell are tantamount to evidence of design? No? You did not know this or you simply deny this? How do you explain Anthropic Coincidences? Based on what you have discovered about these amazing coincidences what do you intelligently, logically, deduce? Be smart and rational with your response please. Thank you.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-anthro.htm

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design.shtml

http://www.godsci.org/gs/new/finetuning.html

"it tends to be invoked by theorists whenever they do not have a good enough theory to explain the observed facts."

Do you know what the odds of me posting this post right now are?

they are so astronomically impossible that I must have not done it, in fact, such improbable things cannot happen naturally.

But you believe that energy can be created and destroyed. You cannot have it both ways.

*Sighs.*

Merge into creationism/evolution thread, please.

And you think that we should consider this carefully why? Because it was posted in YET another christian website, that obviously skews information to fit what they think?

The second link is merely about cause and effect. duh........... like everything else in NAture.

Originally posted by inimalist
Do you know what the odds of me posting this post right now are?

they are so astronomically impossible that I must have not done it, in fact, such improbable things cannot happen naturally.

So you are in denial? Do you believe that these coincidences just came about on their own? That would not be logical.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So you are in denial? Do you believe that these coincidences just came about on their own? That would not be logical.

Logical? 😂

Logic and reason
These are the playthings of the unbeliever, and you should have no truck with them. Faith in the Lord is all you need. The atheist will try to imply that God should be bound by the rules of logic, but God invented logic and so cannot be constrained by it! The more illogical and unreasoning you are, the harder it becomes for atheists to refute your statements. They will scream "But that doesn't make sense! It is logically impossible!" - be that as it may, your faith will tell you that you are correct. With God, all things are possible - including impossible things. What more do you need?

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/fundy.html

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Logical? 😂

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/fundy.html

"If we received a single intelligent signal containing information from space then we would conclude that there is intelligent life out there. Each cell in the human body contains more information than in all thirty volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's certainly reasonable to make the inference that this isn't the random product of unguided nature, but it's the unmistakable sign of an Intelligent Designer."
Walter Bradley, quoted in The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, p110
(The human genome, has 80,000 genes arranged in 3 billion DNA molecule pairs.)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(The human genome, has 80,000 genes arranged in 3 billion DNA molecule pairs.)

. . . and over 95% of it is junk. So much for this:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"If we received a single intelligent signal containing information from space then we would conclude that there is intelligent life out there. Each cell in the human body contains more information than in all thirty volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's certainly reasonable to make the inference that this isn't the random product of unguided nature, but it's the unmistakable sign of an Intelligent Designer."
Walter Bradley, quoted in The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, p110

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
. . . and over 95% of it is junk. So much for this:

If it is just junk how come the best minds in the world (collectively) cannot create it?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If it is just junk how come the best minds in the world (collectively) cannot create it?

There is a tremendous difference between have not and can not.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There is a tremendous difference between have not and can not.

Why haven't they (if it's nothing more than junk)?

What is the hold up?

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Sighs.*

Merge into creationism/evolution thread, please.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why haven't they (if it's nothing more than junk)?

What is the hold up?

God, just shut up.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"If we received a single intelligent signal containing information from space then we would conclude that there is intelligent life out there. Each cell in the human body contains more information than in all thirty volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's certainly reasonable to make the inference that this isn't the random product of unguided nature, but it's the unmistakable sign of an Intelligent Designer."
Walter Bradley, quoted in The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, p110
(The human genome, has 80,000 genes arranged in 3 billion DNA molecule pairs.)

Originally posted by FeceMan
Technology.

God, just shut up.

😆

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If it is just junk how come the best minds in the world (collectively) cannot create it?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So you are in denial? Do you believe that these coincidences just came about on their own? That would not be logical.

lol. /sigh

Probability only says what the likelihood of a particular thing happening is.

It does not take into account that something, no matter how unlikely, must happen and posits no reason for why they do.

So, just because something improbable happens (lets remember that there is something like a 1000000000000000000000000000 to one chance for any particular thing) does not even indicate that there needs to be a reason to explain away the improbability.

Why improbable things happen is not a real question.

X

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"If we received a single intelligent signal containing information from space then we would conclude that there is intelligent life out there. Each cell in the human body contains more information than in all thirty volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's certainly reasonable to make the inference that this isn't the random product of unguided nature, but it's the unmistakable sign of an Intelligent Designer."
Walter Bradley, quoted in The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, p110
(The human genome, has 80,000 genes arranged in 3 billion DNA molecule pairs.)

Poor use of the word information, but sure, I've heard genetiscists say similar things.

The space thing though... We have found plenty of signals from space that APPEARED to be created by intelligences. They had patterns and variability that was thought to be impossible when it comes to what innert matter produces.

However, that appearance of intelligence turned out to be natural causes.

XX

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If it is just junk how come the best minds in the world (collectively) cannot create it?

wrong interpretation of junk, and honestly, if you have the money to donate to the scientists who are doing the research, I'm sure they would be glad to do something as trivial as making junk DNA.

However, we don't know nearly enough about genetics for man-made genes to be useful at all. We could do it, but since research funding is hard to come by or trivial matters, most scientists would rather do something that will actully have actionable results.

XXX

It is kinda logical to be fair.

I remember using the Anthropic Principle to cling to agnosticism for a long time. Then it was just like, "Oh, right. That doesn't really justify anything. If the forces weren't as they are, we wouldn't be here to talk about it."

For your God to create the universe from outside and apart the universe, He would have to be outside of Time and Space, making it literally impossible affect time and space.

Beyond that, people love to say that if, say, the force of gravity was off by {insert astronomically small number}, we couldn't exist as we do. But gravity's a Constant. So are the other forces in the anthropic principle. And how could a constant be anything other than it is? It can't.

My argument doesn't disprove a God. There's plenty of other means to do that, and also plenty of philosophical and scientific explanations for the existence of the universe that don't involve a God....and they make much more sense. But the Anthropic Principle is an insanely weak way of trying to justify an irrational belief using scientific data that isn't related to a Creator in any way.

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Honestly, the whole "a watch suggests a watchmaker, creation suggests a creator" argument (closely tied to this idea) doesn't fit either. And even if there is some fundamental cause of existence that is somehow Transcendant of our material existence, I'm quite certain that religion doesn't explain it adequately...or its explanations leave a lot to be desired.

When I think of complex thing forming at random it always makes me think or crystals and especially snow flakes. You have the same material coming from the same place but they all form differently and in very complex and intricate patterns. No one designed these and they form this way naturally.