Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Sentry couldn't possibly have been going all out as that would have led to the SIEGE version.
Which also leads us to the realization that the Sentry is also more powerful than Superman. But why skip away from the main point here? Do you know what the main point is?
Sentry fought like a dumbass. He used the Hulk as a tool to release all of his energy. Yeah he ***** slapped him a few times to egg him on, but that was hardly trying to fight smart. The Sentry misjudged the situation though. He thought for sure that the Hulk would go down (probably the world too), but it didn't happen.
Hulk won.
Originally posted by tkitna
Sentry fought like a dumbass. He used the Hulk as a tool to release all of his energy. Yeah he ***** slapped him a few times to egg him on, but that was hardly trying to fight smart. The Sentry misjudged the situation though. He thought for sure that the Hulk would go down (probably the world too), but it didn't happen.Hulk won.
He may have fought like an idiot, or he simply did not know how to fight. I never saw Captain America giving out combat lessons. And why would anyone have to, when the guy was a powerhouse? The main point here is that the Hulk was able to break him out of his blitz, and let's say that the Hulk wasn't holding back when the chin check began, and went at him like he went at Gladiator, Sentry would have lost sooner than he did. But for plot, they went with the DBZ route.
Let's talk about shit, and how great it feels to finally release the turd that was welling up inside of himself. You see what I mean?
But, back to the main point. Superman would be hit by the Hulk, and he would not need Longshot there to make it probable.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
He was still the most powerful hero on Earth though and arguably had more raw power than Superman, though certainly not as combat effective. Sentry did have some pretty ridic feats at times from arcs prior to his appearance in WWH.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman IS the most powerful being on DC earth and has feats that can match and surpass anything Sentry has done strength wise.
What does that have to do with anything? Sentry has more raw power. Strength hardly played a part in the Sentry/WWH fight? If your boy Clark is going up against WWH in that manner, he's going to have serious problems.
Originally posted by Stoic
He may have fought like an idiot, or he simply did not know how to fight. I never saw Captain America giving out combat lessons. And why would anyone have to, when the guy was a powerhouse? The main point here is that the Hulk was able to break him out of his blitz, and let's say that the Hulk wasn't holding back when the chin check began, and went at him like he went at Gladiator, Sentry would have lost sooner than he did. But for plot, they went with the DBZ route.Let's talk about shit, and how great it feels to finally release the turd that was welling up inside of himself. You see what I mean?
But, back to the main point. Superman would be hit by the Hulk, and he would not need Longshot there to make it probable.
I have no doubts that he isn't the most gifted H2H fighter out there, but i'm betting he's a little better then just standing there allowing the Hulk to punch him in the face numerous times. It was stupid.
Originally posted by tkitna
What does that have to do with anything? Sentry has more raw power. Strength hardly played a part in the Sentry/WWH fight? If your boy Clark is going up against WWH in that manner, he's going to have serious problems.
Abhi, didn't you get the memo? No one is stronger than the Hulk. He is as strong as the story needs him to be, and that has always been the way it was, and always will be. The Hulk is so strong, that his internal organ were able to take a pull powered hit from Hope, a being that registered 133.45 Herc's.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=571911&pagenumber=12
The Hulk is so strong that he matched half of the Inbetweener's power output, and it was taxing him to keep up. That's abstract strength brother.
Originally posted by Stoicit works exactly that way. characters powers are ignored in comics because of the plot. In comics, the PLOT >>>>>everything and dictates what happens! even if it makes no sense.
You mean like he ended it with Doomsday? When will you stop ignoring the fact that the Hulk would be able to hit Superman, and that guys far slower have done just that? Whenever you want to make a point, you say in a forum fight, which allows you to ignore what was written in comics. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
In a forum setting there is no plot. That's why it's different than in a comic. Why do you think we have forum rules discussing PIS and full capacity? You can't use your own illogical philosophy. Either Superman has speed and reflexes or he doesn't. The full capacity rule says he does.
P.s. What is written in the comic can be ignored when it goes against forum rules. full capacity isn't a joke rule, neither is the no PIS rule.
Originally posted by h1a8
it works exactly that way. characters powers are ignored in comics because of the plot. In comics, the PLOT >>>>>everything and dictates what happens! even if it makes no sense.In a forum setting there is no plot. That's why it's different than in a comic. Why do you think we have forum rules discussing PIS and full capacity? You can't use your own illogical philosophy. Either Superman has speed and reflexes or he doesn't. The full capacity rule says he does.
P.s. What is written in the comic can be ignored when it goes against forum rules. full capacity isn't a joke rule, neither is the no PIS rule.
Except when you use the comics to come to the realization, that Superman is super fast, because if it wasn't for the comics that you want to ignore through sheer ignorance, you would never know what the characters can do.
The Hulk is fast enough to hit Superman. He shows this kind of speed all of the time, but you, and other like you choose to ignore it. You are wrong, and always will be wrong, until you are able to find a happy medium between both the forum, and the comics in which these unrealistic , and fictional wars are derived.
Originally posted by cdtm
h1's right here. The rules are pretty clear on this.Similar example, Flash getting tagged by Slade. It's happened a lot. More then a dozen, for certain. Every single time is pis.
If he did it once it is considered PIS by forum rules, but if it consistently happens, you can't cry to momma about it any longer. So no he isn't right.
Originally posted by Stoicinbetweener has no feats to form a basis of anything. Everyone bloodied WWH up in that arc. There wasn't an instance where WWH no sold a class 100 attack.
Abhi, didn't you get the memo? No one is stronger than the Hulk. He is as strong as the story needs him to be, and that has always been the way it was, and always will be. The Hulk is so strong, that his internal organ were able to take a pull powered hit from Hope, a being that registered 133.45 Herc's.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=571911&pagenumber=12
The Hulk is so strong that he matched half of the Inbetweener's power output, and it was taxing him to keep up. That's abstract strength brother.
Anyway, characters have to slow down in order for slowers to hit them.
You claimed that since Hulk was able to hit fast beings that he himself must be nearly fast as them. You disregard the notion that faster characters can fight slower to match the slower being for the sake of the plot.
I argue that it's closer to the truth that a faster character is being slowed down to match a slower being vs. a slower character being sped up. My argument is supported by the fact of outside feats. Thing, colossus, hulk, Grundy, etc don't have any outside feats that compare to moving and reacting beyond light speeds.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except when you use the comics to come to the realization, that Superman is super fast, because if it wasn't for the comics that you want to ignore through sheer ignorance, you would never know what the characters can do.The Hulk is fast enough to hit Superman. He shows this kind of speed all of the time, but you, and other like you choose to ignore it. You are wrong, and always will be wrong, until you are able to find a happy medium between both the forum, and the comics in which these unrealistic , and fictional wars are derived.
If he did it once it is considered PIS by forum rules, but if it consistently happens, you can't cry to momma about it any longer. So no he isn't right.
You still ignore the real reason why Slowers hit fasters in comics. It's not because the slowers are almost as fast. Hulk isn't almost as fast as Superman. The speed difference is astronomical. It's because it makes for a better story.
PIS has nothing to do with frequency but rather going against established powers and common sense.
What if you actually saw these two beings fought outside a comic? Where Superman would have his Ftl speed and reflexes and Hulk would just be as fast as a bullet? Hulk wouldn't have a chance.