well i actually joined this forum just to post on this topic so like captom kinda hoping i don't get flamed
so right into the sequel speculation:
with the constructicons wouldn't it be easier to make it an extension of devastator's character? i mean something along the lines of making him the leader of a small band of decepticons (the constructicons) who were truly and fiercely loyal to him. then when they hear about his death, they seek out shockwave (who has always been the decepticon scientist) and have themselves formatted so that they can join into one big robot: which they call devastator in his honour/memory.
i'd also really like the dinobots to be brought in but i don't really think it would go too well...i mean for the most part the transformers were kept secret. a city-full of people saw them but apart from that only the government, the army and sam and mikaela know of them so the whole thing could be covered-up [or at least attempted to have it covered up maybe as some kinda military experiment gone wrong (another country's military of course =P)] so really the "robots in disguise" are still in disguise for the most part
but aside from that, the dinobots could crash near a museum and end up scanning dinosaur bones (with upgraded scanners that also pick up biological materials...could be explained as being due to where they went to as refugees after cybertron). would be kinda ironic, given their stupidity, that they "originated" from a museum.
and finally megs could be brought back by humans...i mean i remember i think with the dreamwave comics, having him revived by humans that wanted to sell him as a weapon...but maybe that'd be too terrorist-orientated...
anyone that's my thoughts
oh and please no hot rod...i've never liked hot rod...even less "rodimus prime". bah humbug.
A terrible idea that they are almost certainly gonna go with.
"No more allspark bollocks" is still my empassioned school of thought.
Theres little hope though that the primary "life giving escence" Maguffin will ever be reverted back to being the Creation Matrix due to there being a big Michael-Bay-money-giving "TM" after the word 'Allspark'.
Its like these guys'll do anything to avoid paying credit and cash where it is due.. (To Marvel or Sunbow etc)
Originally posted by freek
well i actually joined this forum just to post on this topic so like captom kinda hoping i don't get flamedso right into the sequel speculation:
with the constructicons wouldn't it be easier to make it an extension of devastator's character? i mean something along the lines of making him the leader of a small band of decepticons (the constructicons) who were truly and fiercely loyal to him. then when they hear about his death, they seek out shockwave (who has always been the decepticon scientist) and have themselves formatted so that they can join into one big robot: which they call devastator in his honour/memory.
i'd also really like the dinobots to be brought in but i don't really think it would go too well...i mean for the most part the transformers were kept secret. a city-full of people saw them but apart from that only the government, the army and sam and mikaela know of them so the whole thing could be covered-up [or at least attempted to have it covered up maybe as some kinda military experiment gone wrong (another country's military of course =P)] so really the "robots in disguise" are still in disguise for the most part
but aside from that, the dinobots could crash near a museum and end up scanning dinosaur bones (with upgraded scanners that also pick up biological materials...could be explained as being due to where they went to as refugees after cybertron). would be kinda ironic, given their stupidity, that they "originated" from a museum.
and finally megs could be brought back by humans...i mean i remember i think with the dreamwave comics, having him revived by humans that wanted to sell him as a weapon...but maybe that'd be too terrorist-orientated...
anyone that's my thoughts
oh and please no hot rod...i've never liked hot rod...even less "rodimus prime". bah humbug.
Welcome, Freek. 🙂
The constructicon ideas cool. Only thing I'd like to have seen other than that, is bringing back "devastator under his real name:
The 'devastator' character in this movie was the Combaticon Brawl blatantly. An apparently due to Bay's confusion, not having ever been a fan by his own admission, screwed the pooch with conflicting names.
It would be so cool for him to return among the Combaticons and subsequently Bruticus, and have Bonecrusher resurrected with the other Constructicons showing up too.
I personally am hoping that they'd go with the G1 dinobot genesis.
Much more plausible than the cartoon events. Granted- you'd have to exclude the ark's involvement and probably have to bring out more lame allspark hunting, as the reason that Shockwave and the Autobots that would become Dinobots would probably have had to be racing to find it or something. Instead of Shockwave journeying to find the ark 4,000,000 yrs ago and the ark creating the Dinos from Autobots to counter him.
Relating to your cool Megatron point, back door arms sales are not just restricted to terrorism. It'd just as uncomfortabley reflect situations all round the world where goverments do backhand deals...
Theres little doubt that if we had a controllable Megatron, we be using him to control the situation in the middle east. (probably backing Israel.)
Good point about the "dinos blending in" concerns.
Times like that I really wish they'd kept the ark. 🙁
Im with you on the Rodimus hate... hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatemoanygithatehatehatehatehate! Ruined season 3 with his whining. 😛
Its a toss up between him and wheelie for most hated post-1986-movie. 🙂
thanks for the welcome sadako!
with your point about the dinobots, if they went with the g1 series of events they wouldn't necessarily have to include the allspark. i mean regardless of their allegiance with the autobots the dinobots have always done their own thing. the loss of cybertron would only emphasise prime's ineffectiveness as a leader to grimlock and the others, so them going off to do their own thing would be quite plausible. why shockwave would go after them...maybe as the cold, logical transformer he feared their irrational-ness and lack of forethought coupled with their awesome raw power? the only reason the allspark would have to be mentioned at all would probably be that its activation (whether by frenzy's restoration, bumblebee's shriking of the thing or when it created those random transformers) caused them to come out of stasis to remain plausible with the rest of the continuity (cause i agree completely that the allspark is a load of bull).
oh and to compensate for that i'm actually hoping alpha trion is introduced as the elder who's learned the secrets of cybertron and all that. could help bring in the matrix and vector sigma, and explain the allspark away as simply some kind of isolation of vector sigma's energy or something. which would help them re-establish cybertron and set it up all quite nicely for unicron to appear in the third movie.
Originally posted by freek
thanks for the welcome sadako!with your point about the dinobots, if they went with the g1 series of events they wouldn't necessarily have to include the allspark. i mean regardless of their allegiance with the autobots the dinobots have always done their own thing. the loss of cybertron would only emphasise prime's ineffectiveness as a leader to grimlock and the others, so them going off to do their own thing would be quite plausible. why shockwave would go after them...maybe as the cold, logical transformer he feared their irrational-ness and lack of forethought coupled with their awesome raw power? the only reason the allspark would have to be mentioned at all would probably be that its activation (whether by frenzy's restoration, bumblebee's shriking of the thing or when it created those random transformers) caused them to come out of stasis to remain plausible with the rest of the continuity (cause i agree completely that the allspark is a load of bull).
oh and to compensate for that i'm actually hoping alpha trion is introduced as the elder who's learned the secrets of cybertron and all that. could help bring in the matrix and vector sigma, and explain the allspark away as simply some kind of isolation of vector sigma's energy or something. which would help them re-establish cybertron and set it up all quite nicely for unicron to appear in the third movie.
I definitely could buy that.
I like the thinking with possible post-cybertron-loss Grimlock motivation.
And I think that Allspark-being-a-VS-style-Matrix's coMaguffin could work well. My only worry is that they wouldn't be able to get away from how built up the allspark was by Prime's opening narrative....
Sounds like their escape card though there, for sure. 🙂
Nice one.
Originally posted by grey fox
I believe Primes Spark was all cg'ed up to LOOK like the matrix. I can't be sure (due to the brief look we got) but it seemed like it...
It looked at least from the same family of technology..
I just took that as some of the movie's CGI guys being fans.
(Them having one-or-several-up on the director in my estimations.)
Originally posted by stickman618
remember?when he said "if all else fails, i will unite the cube with the spark in my chest"(opens chest a bit)
when they were on that castle thing in the desert
You mean the Los Angeles observatory? I'm pretty sure it was the observatory, anyhoo. Yeah I remember that part, I just don't remember if it was reminiscent of the G1 spark.
Originally posted by freek
thing is though didn't all sparks look the same in beast wars? i seem to remember optimus primal merging with prime's spark/the matrix.
Well yes, in Beast Wars I think almost every spark was identical, however that's not the case for the other sagas. The Matrix of Leadership was the most famous one.
another newbie here to point something out 🙂
Did anyone else catch a glimpse of Barricade's door on the carrier that was used to dump the vanquished Decepticons into the sea?
Can't say for certain whether he's still alive or dead eventhough we didn't see him die...
OR it may be a production error... lol