God placing the universe

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Yes, if there was a divine creator of everything why would he make a star that he knows will destroy his divine creation?

Thats because nothing is truly ever destroyed things just change.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

If you were to build you own car why would you make it so that it will kill you?

No but you would make a car that was able to change gear.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

As for the Bible there are many people that believe it to be literal or close to it, some like JIA take it for word for word and my question that I posted is more for this type of mentality.

That doesnt make it true. They just take it literally because there ass**** it makes them feel better that they have the truth and everbody is going to hell. When dealing with religon you are dealing with abstract concepts therefore by default things are supposed to be metaphorical.

I know its for JIA but im just trying to give a more correct religous response to your questions.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Yes I do know that, and it will take much longer for that for the Sun to destroy our solar system by expanding but less time for a solar flare to, but if you follow the Bible and believe God created the Earth then why would you leave his creation?

good answer, thats an excellent thing for those of sound minds, all the bible lovers will die on earth for their imaginary God leaving a lot of space onboard these vessels for people of understanding, but i think a lot of the "oh so faithful" will throw their bibles down when they are face to face with the end, they will automatically want to survive

this is an endless discussion. when a believer says PERFECT what exactly does he/she mean by it. the most obvious would be perfect for in geometry{i.e. UNIFORMITY, a circle is more perfect than an elipse, an equilateral triangle more than a right angeld etc. very greek idea} but that obviously isnt true for practically any celestial body. then you move next to the placing being perfect for the creation of life,{place/composition by elemets/energy recieved etc} but thats definately not true, a little warmer earth would be better, the abundance of some elements would be better for humans/animals, more ozone would be nice. more cultivable land better, different elements in the star to emit less ultraviolet/gamma rays, a shorter year nicer, faster day/night has its advantages, the things about meteors n stuff etc etc etc. once that fails theyd say that all physical laws are uniform and EVRYTHING follows them and therefore everything is in PERFECT order and follows the determined path{not noticing how much theyv deviated form their original argument} but thats not true either. many laws break down in certain situations, quantum mechanics brings in randomness and vagueness which deviates from constant laws, laws dont exist in singularities etc. once even that is undermined thed turn to more bague arguments like the laws change to suite our needs{which is false} and the will of the creator and he still rules. or even ater theyd turn to other stuff like "dont you see the trees that give you fruit, the land that gives you food and the rivers which give you water. how can you look at that and think its all a coincidence and everyhting isnt perfect?".

on another line, a believer would argue that your body has been brought together in perfection etc. but thats completely not true. most systems could use a lot of work. our immunity is pathetic. our resistance to mutation is terrible, many people are genetically worse off than other for no fault of their own, many people are born challenged, our mind is fickle etc etc. as a last ditch theyd turn the argument on its head{forgetting completely the parallels theyd drawn before and the line the used to ARGUE in the first place} and say, well THATS A TEST or GOD HAS HIS REASONS, or YOU REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT OTHER BLESSINGS/SIGHT THE LORD GIVES A BLIND MAN. or that theyd be better of in heaven.

its also common to skip form one stage to the other of PERFECTION'S DEFINITION to make the oposition unable to react in time and plausibly and exalt your self to a more authentic level. really the discussion is a waste of TIME as perfection is reletive and even in that reletivity "GOD's" perfection fails in all criteria.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I got thinking about this the other day when watching a science show on the Moon, and a comment posted from JIA. When God created the universe and "perfectly placed" the Moon, Sun and all the other planets why are they not perfect? The Moon's orbit is slowly moving away from the Earth at a rare of about 3.8 centimeters per year which effect much of the life on Earth and will eventually moved pass the Earth pull and leave, this doesn't sound "perfect" to me. Why would God create all of these "flaws" if he had the divine power to place them? 😮

You must be talking about some other GOD from another religion, because I don't remember anywhere in the Bible that it states that the moon was a perfect distance from the earth. Infact, the Bible believed the Sky to be a Firmament I.E. the Sky was composed of water.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats because nothing is truly ever destroyed things just change.

Originally posted by Alfheim

No but you would make a car that was able to change gear.

Originally posted by Alfheim

That doesnt make it true. They just take it literally because there ass**** it makes them feel better that they have the truth and everbody is going to hell. When dealing with religon you are dealing with abstract concepts therefore by default things are supposed to be metaphorical.

I know its for JIA but im just trying to give a more correct religous response to your questions.

Originally posted by Burning thought
good answer, thats an excellent thing for those of sound minds, all the bible lovers will die on earth for their imaginary God leaving a lot of space onboard these vessels for people of understanding, but i think a lot of the "oh so faithful" will throw their bibles down when they are face to face with the end, they will automatically want to survive

thats an awefully cold way to talk about humans, as nothing more than believers, whod die to leave "room" for the others.

and no, i disagree, with most believers{a lot of em out there, much more than u migh think} theyd rejoice as theyr obsessed with the end and what followes and theyd take it instantly as a sign of divine truth prevailing.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That doesn’t apply to what I’m talking about.

Yes it does. You asked me why does God create the earth so it will be destroyed. My point is that nothing ever gets destroyed it just changes form.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

That doesn’t make any sense, what does that have to do with it?

Its the best example I could think of. The universe isnt destroyed it changes form, the car isnt destroyed it changes gear......nevermind.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

I’m not really taking about the Bible here so it doesn’t make a difference to my question but the logic of having a divine creator that makes a universe that will destroy his divine creation. This doesn’t have to do with you taking the Bible literally or not but the belief that God created everything unless you believe that God just put things into motion.

It was in response to something you said earlier nevermind..at any rate.

"My point is that nothing ever gets destroyed it just changes form."

Originally posted by Alfheim
My point is that nothing ever gets destroyed it just changes form.

Yep 🙂

I know that nothing ever truly get destroyed but changes, but my point is that Earth will no longer be Earth; all life on the planet will die and what he created to house his greatest creation will no long be that. The Moon is doing what it is supposed to be doing according to the laws of physics but if you believe God created everything he created that as well so he would have built the Moon to leave orbit, the Sun to expand and the Earth to be bombarded by meteoroids so my question is why?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I know that nothing ever truly get destroyed but changes, but my point is that Earth will no longer be Earth; all life on the planet will die and what he created to house his greatest creation will no long be that. The Moon is doing what it is supposed to be doing according to the laws of physics but if you believe God created everything he created that as well so he would have built the Moon to leave orbit, the Sun to expand and the Earth to be bombarded by meteoroids so my question is why?

Because everything that has a beginning has an end.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I know that nothing ever truly get destroyed but changes, but my point is that Earth will no longer be Earth; all life on the planet will die and what he created to house his greatest creation will no long be that.

Yeah and. His greatest creation gets moved to another location, so what?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

The Moon is doing what it is supposed to be doing according to the laws of physics but if you believe God created everything he created that as well so he would have built the Moon to leave orbit, the Sun to expand and the Earth to be bombarded by meteoroids so my question is why?

Well this is the thing. Why do you care, if were not going to get truly destroyed why worry about it?

Anyway the answer I guess is duality. Really nothing is being destroyed or changed we just think it is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does. You asked me why does God create the earth so it will be destroyed. My point is that nothing ever gets destroyed it just changes form.

Its the best example I could think of. The universe isnt destroyed it changes form, the car isnt destroyed it changes gear......nevermind.

It was in response to something you said earlier nevermind..at any rate.

"My point is that nothing ever gets destroyed it just changes form."

but if it is the form itself that defines the THING, then when you CHANGE form, you destroy it.
just like the molecules inside us will never actually stop existing or get destroyed. however if they were to randomly disperse, WE as beings{the FORM of the molecules} would sieze to be.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because everything that has a beginning has an end.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and. His greatest creation gets moved to another location, so what?

Well this is the thing. Why do you care, if were not going to get truly destroyed why worry about it?

Anyway the answer I guess is duality. Really nothing is being destroyed or changed we just think it is.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Why would God need to give our Solar system a beginning and an end when he will as in the Bible pass judgment on us so we will be gone before than? I'm not worried about it and I don't know why this is such a hard concept to get and why you all think that I believe anything in the Bible?

I dont think you do.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS

I purposed this question of why God would make this things go boom when he has the power not to?

You see this is what were trying to say. God doesnt actually make anything go boom. Everything is eternal so nothing gets destroyed I also made the further point that its only because of duality that the perception of destruction occurs. This is what the fall of man is about.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but if it is the form itself that defines the THING, then when you CHANGE form, you destroy it.

Like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

just like the molecules inside us will never actually stop existing or get destroyed. however if they were to randomly disperse, WE as beings{the FORM of the molecules} would sieze to be.

Well in religion we believe everything is eternal. Destruction does not really exist.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think you do.

You see this is what were trying to say. God doesnt actually make anything go boom. Everything is eternal so nothing gets destroyed I also made the further point that its only because of duality that the perception of destruction occurs. This is what the fall of man is about.

Like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly?

Well in religion we believe everything is eternal. Destruction does not really exist.

i think the caterpillar is a bad example. the reason, YES the catterpillar does get destroyed when it becomes the butterfly{technically} so if you difine the form as a caterpillar it does get destroyed. however what doesnt get destroyed in THAT specific example is the biological organism itself{another definition of the form} so if you define form as a biological organism, it doesnt get destroyed there. so my argument still remains i think.

i know u do, but i gave an example to the contrary of what im talkin about. when it is FORM ITSELF that defines sumthing, than when it changes it is utterly destroyed.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Why would God need to give our Solar system a beginning and an end when he will as in the Bible pass judgment on us so we will be gone before than?

Because your taking revlations to litterally. It's not taking about the end of the universe so much as it's talking about a new era in human history.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i think the caterpillar is a bad example. the reason, YES the catterpillar does get destroyed when it becomes the butterfly{technically} so if you difine the form as a caterpillar it does get destroyed. however what doesnt get destroyed in THAT specific example is the biological organism itself{another definition of the form} so if you define form as a biological organism, it doesnt get destroyed there. so my argument still remains i think.

You know what I mean. 😐 😂

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i know u do, but i gave an example to the contrary of what im talkin about. when it is FORM ITSELF that defines sumthing, than when it changes it is utterly destroyed.

Yeah you did but as I was saying its only human perception that makes you think that. For example a human gets blown up. It seems he is destroyed but he has a soul.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think you do.

Originally posted by Alfheim

You see this is what were trying to say. God doesnt actually make anything go boom. Everything is eternal so nothing gets destroyed I also made the further point that its only because of duality that the perception of destruction occurs. This is what the fall of man is about.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because your taking revlations to litterally. It's not taking about the end of the universe so much as it's talking about a new era in human history.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
If there is a new era in human existence why would he still give Earth an expire date?