Originally posted by Alfheim
By the way..you lucky so and so you've moved to Canada. I hate you. No I dont, im just a bit envious. Not only that Montreal as well!
I know 😄
I am worried about you guys though. your terror alert is on critical. Seems like its gonna be more Big Brother surveillance and random stop and searches. Which is just crap.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI know there are about a billion different variations on what God is, my idea is more about the creation of the universe and if someone created it and placed us here on Earth why would they make the things that we depend on for life eventually kill us? I could see it as a test like “You have 5 billion years to live on this planet before the Sun kills you so you must learn to get off of it”.
Not really, it's a bit hard to explain, but you have to realise that Christianity at it's core is a completely different religion from judaism. The God that Jesus speaks of is not YHWH/ Adonai/El-Shaddai the same GOD that is mentioned in the Tanakh/Old Testament.The Old Testament is more of a Astro-Theological Book versus The New Testament which deals with Mysticism.
It's not about people who do not believe in GOD so much as certain type of people.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I know there are about a billion different variations on what God
I meant specifically within the Bible, though. Since we were talking about the biblical perspective from the get go.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
my idea is more about the creation of the universe and if someone created it and placed us here on Earth why would they make the things that we depend on for life eventually kill us? I could see it as a test like “You have 5 billion years to live on this planet before the Sun kills you so you must learn to get off of it”.
What has a beginning has an end like I said before, it's the cycle of life. When we die, another species might replace us really.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarSome reason I want to watch the Lion King. 😛
I meant specifically within the Bible, though. Since we were talking about the biblical perspective from the get go.What has a beginning has an end like I said before, it's the cycle of life. When we die, another species might replace us really.
I know that when we are gone something will replace us and all that jazz and everything has a beginning and an end except for the concept of God which in most religions doesn’t have a beginning or an end and always was. If we were supposedly created in the image of God why would we be replaced with something else?
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
If we were supposedly created in the image of God why would we be replaced with something else?
Man, your taking Judeo Christinaity to whole different level, the concepts itself started with man not some guy in the sky. God is simply a construct that has a plethora of purposes in religion.
Also, the creation of the image of GOD has a double meaning which is explained in the Kabbal.
"Man was created in the image of G-d"
Zu k'neged zu. This opposite that is another important Kabbalistic concept. It is a concept of what is below reflects that which is above. It is related to the concept of "Man was made in the image of G-d".
When the craftsmen created the Tabernacle in the desert they were mimicking the Creator's efforts. They were participating in creating something out of nothing. They had created the Tabernacle. A Temple designed to mimick and therefore encapsulate the forces of creation. The Tabernacle below reflected the Tabernacle above.
The Tabernacle above created something from nothing. The Tabernacle below did the same but because it was a mirrored reflection. It also reversed the process. It returned somethingness back to the original source of Nothingness.
This is the kabbalistic concepts of "running and returning" and "reflected light".
You have to stop taking the Bible so litterally.
Also, according to the Bible man is created in the Image of God not his essense.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarWhy do you think that I’m taking the Bible so literally? I’m only responding with questions and ideas that come from the Bible and many of its followers. I understand that you do not take it literally and neither do I, I think it is a bunch of BS. There are many that do take it literally and some that do not, others believe it to be a bunch of stories and guidelines and different translations of the Bible have said different things.
Man, your taking Judeo Christinaity to whole different level, the concepts itself started with man not some guy in the sky. God is simply a construct that has a plethora of purposes in religion.Also, the creation of the image of GOD has a double meaning which is explained in the Kabbal.
"Man was created in the image of G-d"
Zu k'neged zu. This opposite that is another important Kabbalistic concept. It is a concept of what is below reflects that which is above. It is related to the concept of "Man was made in the image of G-d".
When the craftsmen created the Tabernacle in the desert they were mimicking the Creator's efforts. They were participating in creating something out of nothing. They had created the Tabernacle. A Temple designed to mimick and therefore encapsulate the forces of creation. The Tabernacle below reflected the Tabernacle above.
The Tabernacle above created something from nothing. The Tabernacle below did the same but because it was a mirrored reflection. It also reversed the process. It returned somethingness back to the original source of Nothingness.
This is the kabbalistic concepts of "running and returning" and "reflected light".You have to stop taking the Bible so litterally.
Also, according to the Bible man is created in the Image of God not his essense.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Why do you think that I’m taking the Bible so literally?
Because the answer your expecting is from a literal stand point, the Bible is a book written by human beings like you and I. Your mentioning the Sun and the end of the earth as if the Bible is supposed to comment on it. The Bible delve's in human affairs and not Astrophysics.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I’m only responding with questions and ideas that come from the Bible and many of its followers.
The ideas stated in the Bible most of the time are euphemisms and not to be taken so literally.
As for the followers of the religions, many of them do not even read the Bible or if they do they take the text literally.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
translations of the Bible have said different things.
No, no, no, The Translations do not change the inherent meaning of text. I've read KJV, NIV, IV, etc. It's the same thing, the only difference is that different words might be used the translations remain the same. The most important versions are the Hebrew and Aramaic version, since certain words have a certain etymology.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarAs I have said over and over again is that the question is framed for the ones that do take it literally.
Because the answer your expecting is from a literal stand point, the Bible is a book written by human beings like you and I. Your mentioning the Sun and the end of the earth as if the Bible is supposed to comment on it. The Bible delve's in human affairs and not Astrophysics.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI don’t care about the people that use the Bible as a guideline to life or a metaphor, it is not what I was asking.
The ideas stated in the Bible most of the time are euphemisms and not to be taken so literally.As for the followers of the religions, many of them do not even read the Bible or if they do they take the text literally.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat is your view of what is more important that the other, many would disagree with you but I’m not talking about this and I really don’t care because this has nothing to do with what I asked and never has.
No, no, no, The Translations do not change the inherent meaning of text. I've read KJV, NIV, IV, etc. It's the same thing, the only difference is that different words might be used the translations remain the same. The most important versions are the Hebrew and Aramaic version, since certain words have a certain etymology.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
As I have said over and over again is that the question is framed for the ones that do take it literally.I don’t care about the people that use the Bible as a guideline to life or a metaphor, it is not what I was asking.
That is your view of what is more important that the other, many would disagree with you but I’m not talking about this and I really don’t care because this has nothing to do with what I asked and never has.
You seem to be doing nothing more than playing Devil's Advocate here with people who take the bible litterally. What type of answer are you expecting from people who believe that the Earth was created in 6 days, The Sky is actually a body of water, and the first two humans were called Adam and Eve?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIn a way yes, I’m asking people that believe that God created everything and that those that believing in the Bible literally why he would create something that would end up destroying his creation as I have already said. I want to hear their response to the question. This question is pretty much mute to those that do not believe in the literal description in the Bible. As I said in the first post that JIA mentioned that God place the Sun with perfect precision which he does take the Bible word for word.
You seem to be doing nothing more than playing Devil's Advocate here with people who take the bible litterally. What type of answer are you expecting from people who believe that the Earth was created in 6 days, The Sky is actually a body of water, and the first two humans were called Adam and Eve?
Re: God placing the universe
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I got thinking about this the other day when watching a science show on the Moon, and a comment posted from JIA. When God created the universe and "perfectly placed" the Moon, Sun and all the other planets why are they not perfect? The Moon's orbit is slowly moving away from the Earth at a rare of about 3.8 centimeters per year which effect much of the life on Earth and will eventually moved pass the Earth pull and leave, this doesn't sound "perfect" to me. Why would God create all of these "flaws" if he had the divine power to place them? 😮
Your definition of perfect is skewed 😬
Originally posted by FeceMan
Also, this ridiculous first post is what was believed by people in the Middle Ages.How is the moon moving away a flaw?
And since when did God make the universe immune to naturalistic forces?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosUnder the idea that someone of supreme all-knowing intelligence that created and built everything why would the Moon be moving away from the Earth? He created everything including how planets move around each other, the laws of physics and how gravity works so under this train of thought that would be considered a "flaw" unless he intended it to happen and if so why?
Your definition of perfect is skewed 😬
Originally posted by FeceMan
Also, this ridiculous first post is what was believed by people in the Middle Ages.How is the moon moving away a flaw?
And since when did God make the universe immune to naturalistic forces?
ok heres a question. what WOULD you define as a flaw in the universe. i mean what has to be there, that isnt already here, which would lead you to say "the universe is flawed" give me a functional example.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Under the idea that someone of supreme all-knowing intelligence that created and built everything why would the Moon be moving away from the Earth? He created everything including how planets move around each other, the laws of physics and how gravity works so under this train of thought that would be considered a "flaw" unless he intended it to happen and if so why?
I agree on the post but, UGHHHH, dont tell me your a patriot 😠 😠 😠 .