Smurf's Civil War/Marvel Rant...

Fair enough, at first I had mixed feelings about Civil War, but that was when it was first coming out and I wasn't following it too closely. Since then I've had a chance to sit down, read the whole story/arc from front to back, form an opinion, and feel a little more knowledgeable about the whole situation. Then I come back on KMC, and all I hear is nameless peoples continue to b*tch about Civil War, Tony Stark, and Marvel in general.

Look at the concept of Civil War: Registering people with powers to level city blocks, and then some, with the government, to stave off the threat of cataclysmic destruction at the hands of some pre-teen walking nuke who decided it would be cool to be a vigilante like his favourite heroes that he sees on the news.

If the world of comics had any sense of realism, this would have happened ages ago. Do you really think modern day society would allow somebody who could lift freight trains to NOT be held personally accountable for their actions after even the first incident of damage to a person or their property? Much less all the other ensuing damage caused by battles with Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America?

Comics are not Saturday Morning Cartoon Specials. Pain is caused, building are damaged, and people die. If comics were anything like modern reality, then the moment a child was caused personal and permanent damage by the side effects of a battle with Dr. Doom, anybody in a cape and mask, hero or villain, would be crucified by the media and the public.

With the exclusion of Clor, Tony Stark did nothing wrong. And the Clor incident seemed clearly a ploy to me to make out Stark to be evil. Honestly, it's imbecilic to think that allowing the Government to keep tabs on walking warheads is anything other then common sense.

Too many people don't realize the whole basis for Civil War was the natural and long overdue evolution of the fictional superhuman society, that fact eclipsed to all the bleeding hearts out there because Cap died. I say, let them bleed. And, if you can tell me where that reference is from, I'll be grateful, because the quote is running through my head and it's bothering me that I don't know the source.

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Uhhh Smurf, most of us aren't bitching about the actual registration act (on the contrary, I agree with you 100%). We were bitching about how shoddily made the story was and how it was blatantly obvious that Marvel were making the post-regs the 'villains'.

Originally posted by grey fox
Uhhh Smurf, most of us aren't bitching about the actual registration act (on the contrary, I agree with you 100%). We were bitching about how shoddily made the story was and how it was blatantly obvious that Marvel were making the post-regs the 'villains'.

I just think the way comics are run is dumb... and it was more geared at a couple individuals. Plus, it's been a long week. I felt like ranting about something before Digi comes and makes some comment about this not needing its own thread before closing it.

It's half the bitching about Marvel that pisses me off, and half the premise of the arc.

I didn't mind the art, the writing, or how things were put together.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Oh, I don't care.

I just think the way comics are run is dumb... and it was more geared at a couple individuals. Plus, it's been a long week. I felt like ranting about something before Digi comes and makes some comment about this not needing its own thread before closing it.

Hard week ?

Tony Stark's awesome, the story blew coco nuts, and can I make my own rant about Civil War?
Even though though there are like 10 Civil War threads?

Ya, I went there...

Originally posted by grey fox
Hard week ?

I haven't been on KMC in a while, so I felt like typing. A lot.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Tony Stark's awesome, the story blew coco nuts, and can I make my own rant about Civil War?
Even though though there are like 10 Civil War threads?

Ya, I went there...

Digi might not like it, me, or you, but I think you could.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Yes, you can.

Digi might not like it, me, or you, but I think you could.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Fair enough, at first I had mixed feelings about Civil War, but that was when it was first coming out and I wasn't following it too closely. Since then I've had a chance to sit down, read the whole story/arc from front to back, form an opinion, and feel a little more knowledgeable about the whole situation. Then I come back on KMC, and all I hear is nameless peoples continue to b*tch about Civil War, Tony Stark, and Marvel in general.

Look at the concept of Civil War: Registering people with powers to level city blocks, and then some, with the government, to stave off the threat of cataclysmic destruction at the hands of some pre-teen walking nuke who decided it would be cool to be a vigilante like his favourite heroes that he sees on the news.

If the world of comics had any sense of realism, this would have happened ages ago. Do you really think modern day society would allow somebody who could lift freight trains to NOT be held personally accountable for their actions after even the first incident of damage to a person or their property? Much less all the other ensuing damage caused by battles with Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America?

Comics are not Saturday Morning Cartoon Specials. Pain is caused, building are damaged, and people die. If comics were anything like modern reality, then the moment a child was caused personal and permanent damage by the side effects of a battle with Dr. Doom, anybody in a cape and mask, hero or villain, would be crucified by the media and the public.

With the exclusion of Clor, Tony Stark did nothing wrong. And the Clor incident seemed clearly a ploy to me to make out Stark to be evil. Honestly, it's imbecilic to think that allowing the Government to keep tabs on walking warheads is anything other then common sense.

Too many people don't realize the whole basis for Civil War was the natural and long overdue evolution of the fictional superhuman society, that fact eclipsed to all the bleeding hearts out there because Cap died. I say, let them bleed. And, if you can tell me where that reference is from, I'll be grateful, because the quote is running through my head and it's bothering me that I don't know the source.

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But how far does one take a Registration before they turn into Nazi's? Each person having powers should take responsibility for what their actions do. Why does one have to expose themselves and their families to do so?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Too much work...

Tony Stark rocks.

The Story sucks.

Trickster's gonna make some "DC>Marvel" statement.

...

You can't go wrong.

Originally posted by Supreme Smurph
But how far does one take a Registration before they turn into Nazi's? Each person having powers should take responsibility for what their actions do. Why does one have to expose themselves and their families to do so?

Sock FTW?

Originally posted by Supreme Smurph
But how far does one take a Registration before they turn into Nazi's? Each person having powers should take responsibility for what their actions do. Why does one have to expose themselves and their families to do so?

Here in lies one of the problems and reasons why SRA doesn't work. Why should the information be public at all? 😕 Why not let only the government, or a select few people know the secret identities. Otherwise, you're just letting villains know who to kidnap/torture/mutate/kill to hurt the heroes most. ❌

Well, this hasn't happened in Canada yet. They have their own registration act. So either theirs isn't public, or no nobody cares enough about Canada or Alpha Flight enough to attack them. 😛

And dur you, Smurf. dur I could respond to that with how DC handled this situation in the 50s (comic-time).

Btw, Stark did other reprehensible things besides Clor. The Negative Zone prison, the exile of the Hulk, the persecution of superheroes for doing their job, and possibly aiding skrull efforts to take over Marvel Earth. haermm

That last one would be funny if I was kidding....... durlaugh

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Sock FTW?

I'm quite popular.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Here in lies one of the problems and reasons why SRA doesn't work. Why should the information be public at all? 😕 Why not let only the government, or a select few people know the secret identities. Otherwise, you're just letting villains know who to kidnap/torture/mutate/kill to hurt the heroes most. ❌

durlaugh

Ummm,you are aware it is a strict rule that ONLY Tony Stark knows the identity,and no-one else?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Second one to sock as my dark side.

I'm quite popular.

Only cause they know people cae so little about you that they couldn't be assed to care.

But they never had to publicly expose themselves. Peter just did that to show support for the registration act to the public!

If you read the story registration was never mandatory public exposition!

Yeah,but Tricker missed that.

or forgot.

or he's a tard

or some combination of the three.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Ummm,you are aware it is a strict rule that ONLY Tony Stark knows the identity,and no-one else?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Second one to sock as my dark side.

I'm quite popular.