Originally posted by leonheartmm
i know that the question is unanswerable. its made for people to ponder over the contradiction in the beleif that an omnipotent/omniscient/perfect god who needs nors desires anything , created our universe.
That requires the totally baseless assumptions that God has no personality and that God desires nothing.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Your argument fails because you are attacking man's understanding of God...rather than God himself.
ultimate copout. like the argument, that god is beyond logic hence no logical argument can be created against him. fact is, how do you KNOW he is beyond logic to begin with, how do you KNOW he even exists.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That requires the totally baseless assumptions that God has no personality and that God desires nothing.
unless he is a perfect all powerful and all knowing god. its not baseless because most people beleive that god wants nothing from us and this universe and cant be GIVEN anything {which wud ofcourse imply the fact that he is lacking sumthing to begin with or is our inferior in some way or is imperfect in some way}
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
He is now going to say if he has desires then he isn't perfect. As if he, an imperfect being can tell other imperfect beings what perfection should be.
desires function to giev you things which you dont posess. by definition, you cant desire sumthing which you already posess. are you then implying that god lacks sumthing that we can give him?
the last sentence is another copout.
If that is what you want to believe thats fine.
Unfortunatley your arguments died out with the bubonic plague.
However, you are correct to say I am coping out. I cannot answer that question, I don't know why he did it, I don't even know if he did it...I dont even know if he's perfect or what his personal circumstances are.
Re: why did god create ANYTHING outside his own existance{universe, heaven, hell}at ALL?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is i think a very serious question. why would ANY1 create anything. it cannot be without some sort of inclination. or reason. nothing is done without either DESIRE or NECESSITY. since the omnipotent god has NEITHER desire nor necessity{as he is complete in himself and neither WANTS, nor NEEDS anything outside his ownself. otherwise hed stop being omnipotent} why would he create ANYTHING other than himself. why would indeed he me MOTIVATED to do anything at ALL???? and for those who believe that the world is part of god, we can atleast agree that our CONCIOUSNESS as it is is not completely the SAME as god so the argument still remains.what motivated him to do so?
I think he's more like us than we believe. Maybe he had all that a being would need or want, he certainly could create what he felt he was lacking...as all species of life work to better themselves...or rather...to progress. Maybe there is a degree of existence above perfection. No one on this earth could possibly know, could they?
That and...kids have to go to school at some point, no?
Just my thought on the matter.
Oh...and creation was for our benifit ultimately...not His. This is our world and we can accept or we can deny any help from him to get through it and on to the next stage of perfection. We have to learn here...or somewhere. I'm guessing humanity is a huge part of perfection. Its also a downfall if you use it wrong and thus you bring yourself damnnation rather than salvation.
Yeah...again, just my thoughts on it.
Originally posted by StormBULLSHIT. making a statement like that is the kind of bullshit that makes society dumb. WE CANknow. if we cant, then science will invent something that can know. to say we cant is ignorant, and the kind of hippie ignorance that stupifies america.
We don' t know, we can' t know and we can only wonder.
Originally posted by Kellayep a species that steals lies, can have mutations during reproduction, suffers mental and physical retardation, gets wiped out by microbes, and still cant colonize another planet is perfetion. believe what ya want buddy. because if thats true, meet mentally retarded, homeless, poor deformed god whos very sickly.
Oh...and creation was for our benifit ultimately...not His. This is our world and we can accept or we can deny any help from him to get through it and on to the next stage of perfection. We have to learn here...or somewhere. I'm guessing humanity is a huge part of perfection. Its also a downfall if you use it wrong and thus you bring yourself damnnation rather than salvation.Yeah...again, just my thoughts on it.