Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["If God created us for the simple purpose of being worshipped, then he is a selfish and superficial being. If I had that power, I would do far better things than create people to worship me."]***You are NOT God...you DON'T have that POWER...so your CONTENTION is IRRELEVANT.
Marchello [/B]
However, soon we will be able to create life.
Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["If God created us for the simple purpose of being worshipped, then he is a selfish and superficial being. If I had that power, I would do far better things than create people to worship me."]***You are NOT God...you DON'T have that POWER...so your CONTENTION is IRRELEVANT.
Marchello [/B]
lol, you are the one unable to accept the shortcomings of your definition of god. your comment is irrelevant as it did nuthing to address the paradox stated in this thread. spearofdestiny was simply stating his logically backed opinion on the subject. why dont you try and do the same.
really ironic that you never post to address the issue but do to try and mar a poster.
Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["hmmm. the hardcore believers still fail to comment ."]***NOTHING was said to COMMENT on.
Marchello [/B]
why did god create ANYTHING outside his own existance{universe, heaven, hell}at ALL?this is i think a very serious question. why would ANY1 create anything. it cannot be without some sort of inclination. or reason. nothing is done without either DESIRE or NECESSITY. since the omnipotent god has NEITHER desire nor necessity{as he is complete in himself and neither WANTS, nor NEEDS anything outside his ownself. otherwise hed stop being omnipotent} why would he create ANYTHING other than himself. why would indeed he me MOTIVATED to do anything at ALL???? and for those who believe that the world is part of god, we can atleast agree that our CONCIOUSNESS as it is is not completely the SAME as god so the argument still remains.
what motivated him to do so?
i thought lying was a vice.
Why creation?
Here is my opinion:
God is an artist, and since everything is created in God's image, we are also creators and artists. You do not really need a reason to paint a picture of the way the moon looks reflecting off of the sea.
Then, your creation exists, and it takes on a life of its own. As a matter of fact, creation is still happening, it never stopped. The expanding universe is infinite and the origin of it all is still a part of it all. We are it. Rocks are it. Planets, animals, mountains, air, even Hummers are all it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually no, none of those relegions give an explanation. and but u also said it. the DESIRE to create sumthing other than itself. when sumthing has DESIRE, that means it lacks sumthing. a complete being can technically never feal DESIRE.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is i think a very serious question. why would ANY1 create anything. it cannot be without some sort of inclination. or reason. nothing is done without either DESIRE or NECESSITY. since the omnipotent god has NEITHER desire nor necessity{as he is complete in himself and neither WANTS, nor NEEDS anything outside his ownself. otherwise hed stop being omnipotent} why would he create ANYTHING other than himself. why would indeed he me MOTIVATED to do anything at ALL???? and for those who believe that the world is part of god, we can atleast agree that our CONCIOUSNESS as it is is not completely the SAME as god so the argument still remains.what motivated him to do so?
What motivated Universe to come into existence?
i am not interpreting christian love as a "weakness". that word is ambiguous. its simpler to interpret it as INCOMPLETENESS. god is not complete in his self, therefore, he DESIRES sumthing that he does not posess.
as for the universe, i do not know. it could have always existed in one form or another. there could have been some happening trancending its transitioning states which acted as first cause etc. we do not know .
{btw, why do u have a flag of israel in you sig?}
yes it is very ambiguous. what exactly would you define as weakness, the phenomenon of lacking sumthing, or the phenomenon of simply CHOOSING one thing, reguardless of it leading to having more or less?
it is complete;y inadequate when referring to god's omnipotence.
is a man weak for choosing to serve people as opposed to serving himself? serving himself will bring him more personally, but he is also being weak in the sense that he is following his desirs without resisting them.
a person who serves others will have less than the person who serves himself{by your definitions making him WEAKER than the selfish person}, but he will also have the strength to follow his own decisions and resist temptation. now tell me, does incompleteness=weakness identity work here to defining who is weak and who is strong?
Why did god create anything outside his own existence?
He did not create the universe, our bodies, or the world. He has nothing to do with the universe of perception.
“What God creates in His extension of Himself is called Christ. But Christ is not in any way separate or different than God. It is exactly the same. Christ is not part of God; It is an extension of the whole. Real Love must be shared, and the perfect Love that is shared in God’s Universe is beyond all human comprehension. Humans appear to be part of the whole, but Christ is all of it. The only possible distinction between Christ and God – if a distinction was possible – would be that God created Christ; He is the Author. Christ did not create God or Itself. Because of their perfect oneness, this doesn’t matter in Heaven. God has created Christ to be exactly like God, and to share His eternal Love and joy in a state of unencumbered, boundless and unimaginable ecstasy.
Unlike the concrete, specific world you appear to be in now, this constant and enthralling state of awareness is completely abstract, eternal, unchanging and united. Christ then extends Itself by creating new Creations, or simultaneous extensions of the whole, which are also exactly the same in their perfect oneness with God and Christ. Thus Christ, like God, also creates – because It is exactly the same as God. These extensions do not go inward or outward, because in Heaven there is no concept of space; there is only everywhere. The result of all this is the endless sharing of perfect Love, which is beyond understanding.
Then something appears to happen which, as in a dream, doesn’t really happen – it just appears to. For just an instant, for just one, inconsequential fraction of a nanosecond, a very small aspect of Christ appears to have an idea that is not shared by God. It’s kind of a “What if?” idea. It’s like an innocent wondering in the form of a question – which unfortunately is followed by an apparent answer. The question, if it could be put into words was, “What would it be like if I were to go off and play on my own?” Like a naïve child playing with matches who burns down the house, you would have been much happier not to find out the answer to that question – for your state of innocence is about to be seemingly replaced by a state of fear and the erroneous, vicious defenses that this condition appears to require.
Because the idea is not of God, He does not respond to it. To respond to it would be to give it reality. If God Himself were to acknowledge anything except the idea of perfect oneness, then there would no longer be perfect oneness. There would be no longer a perfect state of Heaven for you to return to.
In this cosmic instant of seeming individuality – and no matter how attractive you may think individuality is, it is nothing but separation -- there seems to be a tiny aspect of Christ that is now aware of something else. That is duality. Now, instead of oneness, you have twoness. Before, there was the perfect oneness of Heaven and nothing else. That is non-duality, or non-twoness. That is still reality. There is not really more than one thing, but now something different seems to be going on for you. There seems to be God and something else. That is the illusion of duality, and the world of multiplicity and the endless subjects and objects you perceive in it are merely symbolic of separation.” Excerpt taken from: “The Disappearance of the Universe” by Gary R. Renard