Are you ****ing 2damn loud reincarnated? You spew out BS and try emphasize WORTHLESS points with CAPITALIZATION.
The closest she's ever come to beating Logan was in New Avengers 5 in which Logan has already been fighting with mutates for over five hours, and even then: she stabbed him with his own claws and he was barely even PHASED, the next thing he did was kick her the hell off of him and he would have killed her if Luke Cage hadn't been there to save her ass. No knock out there either.
False. He was getting his ass kicked by Sauron, and was running from him before unfortunately running into Spider-woman.
True. She stabbed him with his own claws.
False. He was out for 3 pages waiting to heal "barely being able to talk."
False. Luke Cage was saving Wolverine from her 😉
Originally posted by What If...YouTube video
Are you ****ing 2damn loud reincarnated? You spew out BS and try emphasize WORTHLESS points with CAPITALIZATION.
Originally posted by jinzin
When they don't:
He knocks Moon Knight out with one judo throw.
Isnt MK third tier.
Originally posted by jinzin
He beats down both falcon and U.S. agent at the same time over the course of two panels.
Idunno man the Us agnet jobs and both those gusy arr third tier.
Originally posted by jinzin
He has DD in a full Nelson in 3 panels.
DD actually got distracted. Wolverine said something to him DD was like "What?", then Wolverine got him in a Nelson.
Originally posted by jinzin
Beats shang chi in four.
I really dont see how thats possible.
Originally posted by jinzin
Easily drops Zaran while drugged.
I dunno doesnt Wolverines healing factor give resistanece to drugs. Shang has beaten Zaran while drugged.
Originally posted by jinzin
No sells stick's offense and isn't even touched by one of his attacks.
Well ok Wolverine is above top tier now? I dunno if Stick is supposed to be better than Wolverine maybe he wasnt even trying that hard. Dps not better than Stick is he?
Originally posted by jinzin
Pulverizes Lady Deathstrike's face in without even trying.
Caps done the same hes one shoted her.
Originally posted by jinzin
Clobbers Captain America.
Are we talking about Origins? You do know you have stated that Cap is a better stratgist than Wolverine. You dont think its PIS that somebody who is starving and has been awake for days can outsmarts somebody who is in peak condition and is a better thinker?
Originally posted by jinzin
Holds off Gamora for an indefinite period of time.
Bro they werent even fighting for that long.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=possiblehealingfactor1vv0.jpg
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and then proceeds to get Koed by Us agent, yeah I know its from behind but were talking about him not being able to be Koed.
Originally posted by jinzin
Holds his own against Lady Deathstrike and Sabretooth.
idnt you state that Sabretooth is beiiet than Wolverine. If so how is it not PIS that Sabretooth and LD didnt kill Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
Holds his own against Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red.
Is this the one where he was running away and Omega Red decided he wouldnt sue his pheremones.
Originally posted by jinzin
Has Cable dead to rights in his second offensive move.
Beats back both Cable and Angel at once.
Dont know about this.
Originally posted by jinzin
Completely rails through psylocke while she's using her TP...TWICE.
Beats on a man who outclassed IF in fighting skill by leagues.
Dont know about this either.
Originally posted by jinzin
Tosses shatterstar aside like garbage on three seperate occasions.
Well hes not top tier is he?
Originally posted by jinzin
Extensively goes toe to toe with the Administrater (a guy who one shotted DP and Shatterstar AND at the same time) while holding back his claws, AFTER fighting through a whole mess of a gauntlet.
Wait a seond hasnt DP beaten Wolverine before? So how the hell did eh beat somebody who one shoted DP and shatterstar?
Originally posted by jinzin
Has Silver Samurai dead to rights within four panels.
Has Silver Samurai dead to rights with his bare fists.
Kills Shingen.
Curbs Ogun.
and even damn near one shotted your boy Deathstroke.
😉
Well ive seen the fight between wolverine and Shingen it seems to me that Wolverines healing factor and bones came into play. For example he blocked a sword blow with his arm. See how Wolverine reacts without his healing factor when he got stabbed in the foot by LD and Sabretooth.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I do Logan's enhanced stats in strength and speed combined with his skill?
Well this is the way I see it. I retract what I said. Taskmaster kicked Cats butt. Deadpool has kicked TM's butt and on many occassion Wolverine seems to be on a similar level to DP, therefore Wolverine can own Shang because Shang is similar to Cat in skill.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well this is the way I see it. I retract what I said. Taskmaster kicked Cats butt. Deadpool has kicked TM's butt and on many occassion Wolverine seems to be on a similar level to DP, therefore Wolverine can own Shang because Shang is similar to Cat in skill.
Exept the Cat has had the advantage on Deadpool two times IIRC.
And Deadpool has stalemated Ironfist twice.
Remember ABC logic does not always work. Just because fighter A beats fighter B. And Fighter B beats fighter C. Doesn't unnecessarily mean fighter A beats fighter C.
Styles can counter others styles/skills/abilities sometimes differently then others.
This has been shown in comics "many" times and in real life as well with Boxers/mixed martial artists.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Exept the Cat has had the advantage on Deadpool two times IIRC.And Deadpool has stalemated Ironfist twice.
Remember ABC logic does not always work. Just because fighter A beats fighter B. And Fighter B beats fighter C. Doesn't unnecessarily mean fighter A beats fighter C.
Styles can counter others styles/skills/abilities sometimes differently then others.
This has been shown in comics "many" times and in real life as well with Boxers/mixed martial artists.
True I tried to forgot that point. 😂 Its probably writers dont keep track of history. So ok as far as im concerned Wolverine should not have owned Shang in 3 panels. 😒:
If the explanation is his skill and enhanced stats he should be able to own DP.
Originally posted by What If...
Are you ****ing 2damn loud reincarnated? You spew out BS and try emphasize WORTHLESS points with CAPITALIZATION.
Actually everything I stated was a fact, you should try it sometime.
Originally posted by What If...
False. He was getting his ass kicked by Sauron, and was running from him before unfortunately running into Spider-woman.True. She stabbed him with his own claws.
False. He was out for 3 pages waiting to heal "barely being able to talk."
False. Luke Cage was saving Wolverine from her 😉
You're an idiot. 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
Isnt MK third tier.
Yes but Long Pig directed his argument towards:
Originally posted by long pig
someone who isn't even superhuman but has an assload of skill, he almost always has problems with them.
Tiers are really a moot point here as long as they fit the bill or have some skill. Not that Logan hasn't beaten his fair share of top tiers but this particular debate isn't only about them.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Idunno man the Us agnet jobs and both those gusy arr third tier.
Originally posted by Alfheim
DD actually got distracted. Wolverine said something to him DD was like "What?", then Wolverine got him in a Nelson.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I really dont see how thats possible.
There's not much reason that he shouldn't. 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno doesnt Wolverines healing factor give resistanece to drugs. Shang has beaten Zaran while drugged.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok Wolverine is above top tier now? I dunno if Stick is supposed to be better than Wolverine maybe he wasnt even trying that hard. Dps not better than Stick is he?
No one said that, and who's Dps?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Caps done the same hes one shoted her.
So what? What does that have to do with the point at hand here? You're off track and going on your own tangent as if this is somehow a debate about Wolverine's feats vs. those of Shang or Cap, it isn't.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Are we talking about Origins? You do know you have stated that Cap is a better stratgist than Wolverine. You dont think its PIS that somebody who is starving and has been awake for days can outsmarts somebody who is in peak condition and is a better thinker?
Actually I was talking about their other fight but since you asked. No I don't consider it PIS.
Wolverine is more experienced than Cap.
Has more training.
More versatile training.
Cap MIGHT be a better strategist but if he is it isn't by leagues, Wolverine's been leading military units since before Cap was born. He can hang.
They both have the same level of intelligence.
Wolverine was worn down and Cap was pissed off, Wolverine didn't show that he outsmarted Cap, he showed that he knew the inner workings of the government better than cap did though.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro they werent even fighting for that long.
So what? We're talking about a gal that took out rogue and she hulk in like 2 panels, a person who supposedly cleared out an entire beach of soldiers and tanks in a few moments. It's impressive.
Originally posted by Alfheim
and then proceeds to get Koed by Us agent, yeah I know its from behind but were talking about him not being able to be Koed.
Again, so what? That had nothing to do with fighting skill. It was a cheap shot, and all the fighting in that issue took place over the course of some 10 minute or so, Wolverine didn't have too much recoup time from being beaten on by Wonder Man.
Originally posted by Alfheim
idnt you state that Sabretooth is beiiet than Wolverine. If so how is it not PIS that Sabretooth and LD didnt kill Wolverine.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Is this the one where he was running away and Omega Red decided he wouldnt sue his pheremones.
You mean the one where he confronts both LD and OR starting the fight and then uses his strategy to systematically fallback while fighting them off.. and OR did use them, Wolverine even makes a comment about it when he sets OR on fire.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well hes not top tier is he?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wait a seond hasnt DP beaten Wolverine before? So how the hell did eh beat somebody who one shoted DP and shatterstar?
DP has never beaten Logan straight up. He didn't beat the Administrater he held him off.. by having superior skill.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ive seen the fight between wolverine and Shingen it seems to me that Wolverines healing factor and bones came into play. For example he blocked a sword blow with his arm. See how Wolverine reacts without his healing factor when he got stabbed in the foot by LD and Sabretooth.
It hurt him.... Why wouldn't it?
Anyways, with Shingen I don't think that using his advantages is necessarily NOT a use of skill, when he's using them WITH SKILL. But that once again was not the point o my post.
