Originally posted by long pig
DD knocked him out. Mr.X ****ED HIM UP using skill and way less than peak human strength. Some kid with a gun knocked him out with a single shot. (IF fist>bullet). Elektra. Spider Woman. There's a lot and you know this. For every really high showing, he has a thousand low showings.Face it jin, I've read JUST as much Wolverine as you have. I KNOW Wolverine can take immense punishment from bricks and all sorts of things, but when he faces someone who isn't even superhuman but has an assload of skill, he almost always has problems with them.
IF can one punch knock Wolverine out. Wolvie has no defense against it. Wolvie can one hit kill IF with his claws, but IF DOES have a defense against it. IF CAN block adamantium claws with the iron fist.
IF IS faster and will decimate Wolverine in any contest other than a "Who can take more bullets" game.
Wolvie can win, but he most likely will not.
Wow that sounded like a passionate post. 😱 I think we should make a new rule about showings and average them.
Mr. X...and maybe a couple more have Knocked Logan out.
Daredevil had the upperhand but he did not KO Logan just left him helpless as he was struggling to breath.
The fact of the matter is not many have KO'ed Logan easily he has more showings of taking hits from bricks and staying consciouses then the minor less showings of being put down.
So I can see Logan taking a good amount of IF techniques before going down to unconsciousness. But I can't say the same about Iron Fist against Logans claws.
Danny might......and thats might be a little faster but that won't mean much at all. Logan 7/10
Originally posted by long pig
DD knocked him out.
Actually DD has never knocked wolverine out not even in that PIS filled punisher issue.
Originally posted by long pig
Mr.X ****ED HIM UP using skill and way less than peak human strength.
Mr.x has peak human strength.............not to mention he thoguht DD and capt were nothings not to mention the fact he made taskmaster look slow.
Originally posted by long pig
Some kid with a gun knocked him out with a single shot. (IF fist>bullet).
Originally posted by long pig
Elektra.).
Logan has just regenerated 90% of his body mass..........then was fighting many shield agents and then elektra attack him well he was pinned down...............and still Logan was never KO.
Originally posted by long pig
Spider Woman.
Originally posted by long pig
There's a lot and you know this. For every really high showing, he has a thousand low showings..
Sorry but Logans showings of taking much more damage far out way the mister x type showings.
Originally posted by long pig
Face it jin, I've read JUST as much Wolverine as you have...
Is this some type of joke........
Dude your wolverine co9llection and knowledge is vastly inferior to jinzin.
Originally posted by long pig
I KNOW Wolverine can take immense punishment from bricks and all sorts of things, but when he faces someone who isn't even superhuman but has an assload of skill, he almost always has problems with them. really tell that to capt america,shang-chi, evil IF and so on.
Originally posted by long pig
IF can one punch knock Wolverine out. Wolvie has no defense against it. Wolvie can one hit kill IF with his claws, but IF DOES have a defense against it. IF CAN block adamantium claws with the iron fist.
I would love to see your proof this claim, I am laughing at the mere thought of what you must have been on when you stated this.
Originally posted by long pig
IF IS faster and will decimate Wolverine in any contest other than a "Who can take more bullets" game.Wolvie can win, but he most likely will not.
Sorry but Logans showings of taking much more damage far out way the mister x type showings.
Indeed. Mostly my posts had Logan referenced of taking shots from heavy hitters such as Wendigo, Sasquatch, Hulk etc etc.
But then there are his many other feats in enduring insane building height falls/huge explosions/crashes/plane hits etc etc with him still being conscious.
Originally posted by long pig
DD knocked him out.
The closest he ever came to doing that was in an Ennis issue where he staggers Wolverine for a moment with a throat chop. Wolverine is fully concious.
And that lone example is absolutely DWARFED by better showings to damage in it's own surrounding story archs. Yeah Ennis may DECIDE that DD can hurt Logan all of the sudden with a throat chop, or DECIDE that punisher can hurt Logan all of the sudden with a nut shot, but the same man also had Logan having his body blown up from thigh to chest, burnt to the skeleton without going unconcious, being punched by Hulk from New York to Boston and getting up IMMEDIATELY, having his face blown off by punisher at point blank with a shot gun and continuing to kick punisher's ass, having his legs sawed on and not even gassing due to blood loss, having a steam roller driven on top of him without even screaming or being KOed.
So while that's a horrible example to pull from, it's not even a KO to begin with.
Originally posted by long pig
Mr.X ****ED HIM UP using skill and way less than peak human strength.
That said, sure X beat him, after Logan single handedly obliterated his personalized army and 3 highest trained assassins. When both Logan's physical state and his psycological state where still FUBR'd due to Apoc's conditioning as mentioned early in the arc.
Originally posted by long pig
he Some kid with a gun knocked him out with a single shot. (IF fist>bullet).
Oh PUH LEASSSSE! you've got to be kidding me here, seriously you've just got to be ****ing me kidding right?
Do I really need to shove some 7200 scans of Wolverine standing there taking bullets and NOT getting knocked out by them to get that into your skull to show that that's probably the most pathetic low showing you could have pulled?
Originally posted by long pig
Elektra.
The first time he beat up on him was after the issue 100 fiasco when he was a rabbid animal.
The second time she jumped him from behind, while fighting 20 armed gaurds, being mind controlled, and having to have just recovered from hamburger meat in which machines where helping to stablize his condition only minutes before....
Originally posted by long pig
Spider Woman.
Originally posted by long pig
There's a lot and you know this. For every really high showing, he has a thousand low showings.
Originally posted by long pigThen you clearly must have forgotten more than HALF the Wolverine that I have if you think that one example of Wolverine being downed by a bullet takes presedence over the hundreds of times they don't make him flinch en masse, much less half of these other arguments that you're hoping'll fly.
Face it jin, I've read JUST as much Wolverine as you have.
Originally posted by long pig
I KNOW Wolverine can take immense punishment from bricks and all sorts of things, but when he faces someone who isn't even superhuman but has an assload of skill, he almost always has problems with them.
That's because ALMOST EVERY time he fights someone on that level he has to be brought down or inhibited in some way to fight them.
Not to say that skill isn't part of what makes them harder to fight, as we've argued before skill can make up for a certain percentage of powers, so Logan probably SHOULD have more problems with someone with skill, but you're making it sound as if Logan flat out doesn't do well with streets when evidence says different.
Originally posted by long pig
IF can one punch knock Wolverine out.
Originally posted by long pig
Wolvie has no defense against it.
uh yeah aside from his ability to dodge, sidestep, his adamantium (I can take full shots from Hulk to the face and keep fighting) skeleton, his healing factor, his claws/reach advantage, and his equivolent if not higher level of skill... pffft. 🙄
Originally posted by long pig
Wolvie can one hit kill IF with his claws, but IF DOES have a defense against it. IF CAN block adamantium claws with the iron fist.
Hell he couldn't even defend himself against the claws of crappy classic Sabretooth, but he's gonna negotiate those of current badass Wolverine's?
uh huh.. 🙄
Originally posted by long pig
IF IS faster and will decimate Wolverine in any contest other than a "Who can take more bullets" game.
If is not faster, he has no feats of speed that dwarf or outstrip Logan's own. Infact I have yet to see Iron Fist fight as fast as I have seen Wolverine fight.
Originally posted by long pig
Wolvie can win, but he most likely will not.
And yet nearly every piece of comparative evidence says differently.
Junzo- stomped on Iron Fist twice like he was nothing, even refered to him as a baby- Wolverine almost killed him.
Spiderman- Gotten the advantage over Iron Fist twice, once while IF had the homefield advantage and traps set for Spiderman - Wolverine's kicked his ass nearly every time they've fought since secret wars.
Shang Chi- Was able to stand toe to toe with danny at an equal level- Wolverine dropped Chi in four panels.
Captain America - fights a slightly weakened IF and pretty much makes him look like a chump, IF even gives Cap props saying his speed and power are incredible, that he's never fought anyone like him before, etc etc.- and INCREDIBLY weakened Wolverine shit stomps Cap AFTER dealing with Nuke, WHILE simultaneaously fighting off two other X-men that had to intervene to save his ass.
Sabretooth - has Danny dead to rights in not one, not two, but three fights... the third fight even showcases sabretooth nailing IF 4 times before IF can even connect with one blow which Sabretooth actually LETS him have - Wolverine hasn't been shown that level of disrespect even in their first fight when he didn't fight with claws. 😬
Seriously, the ONLY thing IF has going for him is his ONE DIRECT comparison with Wolverine, and even then all that displayed was that he can hit Wolverine all day but as far as Wolverine's concerned he's "just waisting his time". 😐
for whatever reason it won't let me fix this so:
Originally posted by long pig
I KNOW Wolverine can take immense punishment from bricks and all sorts of things, but when he faces someone who isn't even superhuman but has an assload of skill, he almost always has problems with them.
That's because ALMOST EVERY time he fights someone on that level he has to be brought down or inhibited in some way to fight them.
Not to say that skill isn't part of what makes them harder to fight, as we've argued before skill can make up for a certain percentage of powers, so Logan probably SHOULD have more problems with someone with skill, but you're making it sound as if Logan flat out doesn't do well with streets when evidence says different.
But the fact of the matter is that 90% of the time streeters have a plethora of things going for them when they fight Logan.
When they don't:
He knocks Moon Knight out with one judo throw.
He beats down both falcon and U.S. agent at the same time over the course of two panels.
He has DD in a full Nelson in 3 panels.
Beats shang chi in four.
Easily drops Zaran while drugged.
No sells stick's offense and isn't even touched by one of his attacks.
Pulverizes Lady Deathstrike's face in without even trying.
Clobbers Captain America.
Holds off Gamora for an indefinite period of time.
Holds his own against Lady Deathstrike and Sabretooth.
Holds his own against Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red.
Has Cable dead to rights in his second offensive move.
Beats back both Cable and Angel at once.
Completely rails through psylocke while she's using her TP...TWICE.
Beats on a man who outclassed IF in fighting skill by leagues.
Tosses shatterstar aside like garbage on three seperate occasions.
Extensively goes toe to toe with the Administrater (a guy who one shotted DP and Shatterstar AND at the same time) while holding back his claws, AFTER fighting through a whole mess of a gauntlet.
Has Silver Samurai dead to rights within four panels.
Has Silver Samurai dead to rights with his bare fists.
Kills Shingen.
Curbs Ogun.
and even damn near one shotted your boy Deathstroke.
😉