Originally posted by Darth Hord
i understand that but and I do personally think the duo will win but I do think yoda could avoid many situations that could lead to his death before he dies, like say if Kun is temporarily out of the duel then while Dooku and Yoda duel Kun comes from behind to strike Yoda, yoda could then just flip to one side a good enough distance for the duel to be back at square one so to speak.
Yep but you have to agree that Yoda could take one out of action for a short time.(like what maul and dooku did and yoda is better than both) but he will eventually get killed but I just don't think it would be as easy as you seem to think it will be for Kun to exploit a weakness/or gain a major advantage.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
Yep but you have to agree that Yoda could take one out of action for a short time.(like what maul and dooku did and yoda is better than both) but he will eventually get killed but I just don't think it would be as easy as you seem to think it will be for Kun to exploit a weakness/or gain a major advantage.
In the case of Maul: He was fighting against Qui-Gon-Jinn and Padawan Kenobi. Now Maul was a talented and a skilled warrior, so he alone put up a good fight against both of them. But even in this fight, Maul gained advantage when the Jedi Master got separated from his apprentice and not when they were both engaging him simultaneously.
And you must not forget that we are talking about two Sith Lords who are far more skilled, experienced and powerful then Qui-Gon Jinn and Padawan Kenobi.
Now in the case of Dooku: He fought against Jed Knight Kenobi and Padawan Anakin. But he actually knocked one out with the Force Lightning and then beat the other one. He did not single handedly beat both of them simultaneously.
Conclusion:
So once again, when Exar Kun and Count Dooku will be facing Yoda simultaneously, it will be nearly impossible for Yoda to knock any one of them out in such a scenario.
It it possible for Yoda who is more powerful than Dooku and Maul to cause separation or temporarily knock one out of the duel bring either by a force push,lightsaber or whatever. You are not giving enough credit to Yoda. And in this duel which would last a while it is within Yoda's power to even kill one of them but he will die by the second because he would waste alot of energy in a fight against two highly skilled and deadly masters. Oh and btw the Dooku scenario I was referring to was the one in ROTS not AOTC.This duel will come down 1.How long Yoda move like a hyperass monkey 2. If Yoda could cause a single duel with one of them than how much time he will have before the other one to rejoin.
Dare I remind you what happened last time you and I were in a debate?
Yeah I pissed on any form reasoning you seemed to have, and you stepped aside while someone better then you, Nai, and I debated because well, you suck, and I'm still waiting for Nai's reply.
Ah, yet simple common sense fails Styles again. This is a 2 on 1 big boy.
No shit, I'd like you to point me to where the I make the argument of: Yoda has to be miles and miles ahead of them to beat them, which isn'the case (You assuming I'm agreeing to your flawed logic is YOUR fault) I'd like to point you to Grevious vs 5 Jedi including 4 masters Shaak Ti, Ki Di Mundi, K'Kruhk and Tarr Seirr and Aylaa Secura.
Yet he beats them all, based of what: His unpredictable movements and his speed (sound familiar) now I doubt Grevious was miles and miles ahead of all them combined, especially at that time.
Anther that comes to mind is Ventress vs Sora Bluq, Mira, K'Kruhk, Rhad Tarn and Sian Jeisel, Sora Bluq alone is a match for her yet she still manages beat them and only the intervention of Mace Windu saves them.
Or when Qu Rhan takes Jerecs seven dark Jedi, and although he lost managed to dice Maw in half.
Again, when Jaden Korr who while strong faced of against Rosh Penin and the Kothos twins who were regarded as masters of the darks side and yet he wins.
You don't have to be miles and miles ahead of two foes to win. And I never suggested that he'd WTFPwn them both that again was YOU putting words in my mouth. I only said he'd win.
Opinions don't matter here.
Something you can't fail to grasp
Wow... Just... WOW... So after all of that you still surmised that I thought Ulic was near Yoda?
You really are stupid aren't you? You asked me to BACK MY SHIT UP, and I unlike you DID just that, and in that case it required the assumption that Ulic is even on Yoda's level.
Yes, running away and parrying.. What is your point? OH right, a stalemate is a stalemate. I still see this point is way over your head. But you're right. Ulic must be so weak because he's running away from a force user.
Again, did I say that? I said it doesn't make Ulic some kind of god that your attributing the feat to.
Wtf does this even mean, by far? You are going to have to back up your ridiculous claim as to "How far" Yoda is ahead of Dooku.
I don't have to simple common sense is enough for that: Yoda beats Dooku in about a minute or so in AOTC's while HOLDING back, he then soundly defeats Dooku without seemingly breaking as sweat while Dooku is drenched in sweat, this is while Dooku is at his apex. And yet you seriously come to the conclusion that Yoda isn't miles ahead of him? Going all out on equal ground Yoda would crush Dooku. But it doesn't matter as the FACT is Yoda is soundly better then Dooku and Yoda is soundly better then Exar Kun and thats ALL it takes to win.
And yet again, common sense eludes you. In no way, shape, or form, have you proven that Yoda is miles and miles ahead of Dooku and KUN. What you have stated is the obvious, in which Yoda is a better duelist than Kun or Dooku.
I don't even have too, because thats not what decides who wins the duel Yoda on his own is better then either of them, and I'd surmise having 900 years of experience and shit load of combat experience he'd do a tactic similar to what Dooku did in the opening stages of the duel with Anakin and Obi Wan:
Where as all Dooku need do was to step from one side to anther - and occasionally flip over a head here and there--so that he could fight them in turn rather than both at the same time.
Divide and conquer a simple tactic, that would work very effectively in this case because Exar Kun and Dooku don't know shit about each other and can't fight as a team like Obi Wan and ANakin did in the latter stages of the duel, other then that Exar Kun wields a completely forgien weapon and a foreign style. to Dooku so he couldn't analyze the advantages and disadvantages of a combo attack.
They were not prepared to fight against a single force user certainly not one of Dooku's power he on the other hand had always fought alone. It was laughably easy to keep the Jedi tripping and stumbling and getting in each others way.
Thats what I see happening to Kun and Dooku, Dooku as the narration stated ALWAYS fought alone and thus probably knows zlich about a team battle, and Kun has apparently never been in a team battle in his life. Combine that with the fact that both of them have HUGE ass ego's I HIGHLY doubt they could put that aside and work together as a team, and Yoda is Dooku's personal enemy who gets very under his skin, how would he feel about this relative stranger barging him aside to try and kill his former Master and arch nemesis? They'd be more likely to fight each other rather then Yoda.
Yoda doesn't have to be miles and miles ahead of them both to win, he just has to use basic tactics to beat separate and defeat them individually.
Correction. Kun's speed wasn't STATED in the comics. But by your idiotic fanboyism, if it wasn't stated, it MUST not exist!
No, I'm basing his speed of the fact that he couldn't even out run the Massasi.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Yeah I pissed on any form reasoning you seemed to have, and you stepped aside while someone better then you, Nai, and I debated because well, you suck, and I'm still waiting for Nai's reply.
No shit, I'd like you to point me to where the I make the argument of: Yoda has to be miles and miles ahead of them to beat them, which isn'the case (You assuming I'm agreeing to your flawed logic is YOUR fault) I'd like to point you to Grevious vs 5 Jedi including 4 masters Shaak Ti, Ki Di Mundi, K'Kruhk and Tarr Seirr and Aylaa Secura.
Yet he beats them all, based of what: His unpredictable movements and his speed (sound familiar) now I doubt Grevious was miles and miles ahead of all them combined, especially at that time.
Again, when Jaden Korr who while strong faced of against Rosh Penin and the Kothos twins who were regarded as masters of the darks side and yet he wins.
You don't have to be miles and miles ahead of two foes to win. And I never suggested that he'd WTFPwn them both that again was YOU putting words in my mouth. I only said he'd win.
Something you can't fail to grasp
You really are stupid aren't you? You asked me to BACK MY SHIT UP, and I unlike you DID just that, and in that case it required the assumption that Ulic is even on Yoda's level.
Again, did I say that? I said it doesn't make Ulic some kind of god that your attributing the feat to.
I don't have to simple common sense is enough for that: Yoda beats Dooku in about a minute or so in AOTC's while HOLDING back, he then soundly defeats Dooku without seemingly breaking as sweat while Dooku is drenched in sweat, this is while Dooku is at his apex. And yet you seriously come to the conclusion that Yoda isn't miles ahead of him? Going all out on equal ground Yoda would crush Dooku. But it doesn't matter as the FACT is Yoda is soundly better then Dooku and Yoda is soundly better then Exar Kun and thats ALL it takes to win.
I don't even have too, because thats not what decides who wins the duel Yoda on his own is better then either of them, and I'd surmise having 900 years of experience and shit load of combat experience he'd do a tactic similar to what Dooku did in the opening stages of the duel with Anakin and Obi Wan:
Divide and conquer a simple tactic, that would work very effectively in this case because Exar Kun and Dooku don't know shit about each other and can't fight as a team like Obi Wan and ANakin did in the latter stages of the duel, other then that Exar Kun wields a completely forgien weapon and a foreign style. to Dooku so he couldn't analyze the advantages and disadvantages of a combo attack.
Thats what I see happening to Kun and Dooku, Dooku as the narration stated ALWAYS fought alone and thus probably knows zlich about a team battle, and Kun has apparently never been in a team battle in his life. Combine that with the fact that both of them have HUGE ass ego's I HIGHLY doubt they could put that aside and work together as a team, and Yoda is Dooku's personal enemy who gets very under his skin, how would he feel about this relative stranger barging him aside to try and kill his former Master and arch nemesis? They'd be more likely to fight each other rather then Yoda.
No, I'm basing his speed of the fact that he couldn't even out run the Massasi. [/B]
Yoda loses here, but puts up a very good fight, mainly because the duo don't know each other and don't do well in a team, there teamwork is bad.
Force isn't allowed, its a ligtsaber match only, if he gets in trouble he is not allowed to use, Push, or some other Force technique, or even use Force Jump.
Thirdly, Yoda style is very consummative, he gets tired fast, so he needs a quick victory, the longer the duel, more tired he gets and xxXAcStylesXxx, on Geonosis it was Yoda who was more tired, despite the fact, that Dooku fought Anakin and Kenobi. And Dooku personal enemy is, Anakin not Yoda.
And Dooku isn't leagues above Yoda, he can put up a good fight to him on his own.
This is from Star Wars insider, issue 62.
With form 2, Dooku holds his own, even against Master Yoda.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
It it possible for Yoda who is more powerful than Dooku and Maul to cause separation or temporarily knock one out of the duel bring either by a force push,lightsaber or whatever.
However the main point is that though Yoda is indeed strongest in this fight, his opponents are also stronger and more experienced then Gu-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Still did not get the picture?
Again take the case of Maul vs Duo of Gui-Gon Jinn and Kenobi:
- Now Maul was strongest in that fight. He had the capability to take on both of those Jedi simultaneously.
- But he still had to separate the Jedi Master from his apprentice to gain any advantage, which was made possible due to those shields in that building. Thus the conditons in that fight helped Maul.
Similar would be the case of Yoda in his fight against the Duo of Exar Kun & Dooku.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
You are not giving enough credit to Yoda. And in this duel which would last a while it is within Yoda's power to even kill one of them but he will die by the second because he would waste alot of energy in a fight
Originally posted by Darth Hord
against two highly skilled and deadly masters. Oh and btw the Dooku scenario I was referring to was the one in ROTS not AOTC.This duel will come down 1.How long Yoda move like a hyperass monkey 2. If Yoda could cause a single duel with one of them than how much time he will have before the other one to rejoin.
And do not forget that Yoda cannot toss Dooku around like a ragdoll with the Force. And neither he can do that to Exar Kun.
Weird, I remember you conceding the argument in some childish form, because you couldn't keep up your own bullshit. But as usual, denial is the last resort to conceding defeat.
Exactly there was no point in arguing with someone who...didn't have an argument, Nai came in who is better then you AND had an argument, and I debated with him.
That and he was a robot that could automatically move at insane speeds. I guess your argument fails when he was wtfpwned by Obiwan.
A robot...you must have missed that little scene in ROTS that little scene in ROTS where Obi Wan opens his armour and guess whats in there...organs...and not thats not where my argument fails because Obi Wan happened to be possibly the greatest master of Soresu ever. But as you say the point eludes you, Grievous by himself is not better then 4 Jedi masters and a knight like Aylaa but his unpredictable movements, speed and erratic strength frequencies of his slashes allowed him to be, much like Yoda.
Except there would have to be a considerable skill discrepancy between Yoda and the other two, for Yoda to defeat them both, so you're wrong...Again..
I love how you ignored the Ventress and Qu Rahn example then just claim I'm wrong.
explain to me how your case would have required the assumption that Ulic is on Yoda's level. I'm dying to know!
Your are beyond help, I'll spell it out for you: In the case of ULIC vs Yoda i assumed since asked me to back up how Ulic doesn't hold a candle to Yoda that you held Ulic to the same standard.
I didn't say nor assume that it makes Ulic some kind of god, you did fanboy.
Lame, lame, lame:
He more than held his own WITHOUT the force, and that speaks volumes for him.
Yoda didn't beat Dooku in AOTC, but you must have seen a completely different fight than everyone else. Yoda never went on the offensive against Dooku, because Yoda still thought he could turn Dooku back. Wonderful logic yet again.
I could have sworn it was Dooku who ran away...hmm maybe its just me, I could have sworn that Yoda was flipping around and coming down on and attacking Dooku from different angles...yeah I thinks just me...
Yet again, his experience meant shit against Sidious, so experience isn't a determining factor alone.
Except Sidious happens to be THE MOST POWERFUL SITH EVER, where as Exar Kun is...not.
Wonderful interpretation of the fight, except...No..
What an argument! OMG in the face of such logic as ..."No"... how can I dare go on! 🙄
I do recall Yoda being overconfident in his fight with Sidious, so if you're going to use that nonsense, I'll use overconfidence as Yoda's failing.
Nonsense? Its a basic tactic, something even Dooku did. Yoda was overconfident you must have missed this:
With revernce, with gratitude, without fear, and without anger, Yoda went forth to war. pg 386 ROTS novel.
And how the hell will "overconfidence" stop him from executing a basic tactic? Dooku was a helluva lot more arrogant/overconfident in the Anakin/OB1 yet he could still do it, the only difference is it wouldn't be an act, Dooku and Kun would likely stumble over each other, not know how to compliment each others abilities and they both have sever ego issues.
Right, the thousands of massassi encircling him. Maybe Kun can simply use a cheat code like no clip and walk through trees and walls! Dumbass.
Wrong scene dip shit, when Kun first arrives on Yavin he is chased down by a few Massasi warriors fails to get away and is shot with a disks, that he again couldn't out run. Dumbass.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The fight that you see in ROTS was created to develop a story. Dooku despite being smart, was shown to be too trusting in that fight and he foolishly tried to convince Anakin to fight at his best, instead of doing the opposite and that is using the Dun Moch to erode Anakin's will.
It does not matter why the fight was developed because it is canon fight. A very obvious difference between the two is as you pointed at that once Obiwan was out of the scene, he trying to help his master convert him the darkside. But here if Yoda a chance for a 1v1. fight he would not try and talk them to fight there best. Plus the fact that Kun is an arrogant fool he might not work well with Dooku which would hurt his chances of living.
And do not forget that Yoda cannot toss Dooku around like a ragdoll with the Force. And neither he can do that to Exar Kun.
I know that very well i do think it is possible for Yoda to slay one of them in the leg or something that while not a crippling wound it would cause them to be m.i.a. for a short which Yoda could use for his advantage. But Yoda will go down because he will tire out. I'd say there is about a 10% chance of him winning.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Exactly there was no point in arguing with someone who...didn't have an argument, Nai came in who is better then you AND had an argument, and I debated with him.
A robot...you must have missed that little scene in ROTS that little scene in ROTS where Obi Wan opens his armour and guess whats in there...organs...and not thats not where my argument fails because Obi Wan happened to be possibly the greatest master of Soresu ever. But as you say the point eludes you, Grievous by himself is not better then 4 Jedi masters and a knight like Aylaa but his unpredictable movements, speed and erratic strength frequencies of his slashes allowed him to be, much like Yoda.
I love how you ignored the Ventress and Qu Rahn example then just claim I'm wrong.
Your are beyond help, I'll spell it out for you: In the case of ULIC vs Yoda i assumed since asked me to back up how Ulic doesn't hold a candle to Yoda that you held Ulic to the same standard.
I could have sworn it was Dooku who ran away...hmm maybe its just me, I could have sworn that Yoda was flipping around and coming down on and attacking Dooku from different angles...yeah I thinks just me...
Except Sidious happens to be THE MOST POWERFUL SITH EVER, where as Exar Kun is...not.
What an argument! OMG in the face of such logic as ..."No"... how can I dare go on! 🙄
Wrong scene dip shit, when Kun first arrives on Yavin he is chased down by a few Massasi warriors fails to get away and is shot with a disks, that he again couldn't out run. Dumbass. [/B]
I'm tired of obliging you any further and arguing with a proven retard.
So basically alot of irrelevant crap, and no actual responding to the point of Yoda dividing and conquering Kun and Dooku, please tell me how my logic fails, how that WOULDN'T happen because you've yet to (and likely won't because your best shot was:
"LAWLZ he be ova confident111!!"
And so Sarah if all you have is shitty insults and no argument I think this crap is pretty much done.
So please sweet cheeks go down anther bottle of Absinthe cause drinking hard liquor is the only way you'll be able to convince yourself you don't absolute suck more ass then your 2$ hooker whore of a mother who was knocked up at a truck stop and had the mentally challenge bastard child known as you.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
I'm tired of obliging you any further and arguing with a proven retard.
So basically alot of irrelevant crap, and no actual responding to the point of Yoda dividing and conquering Kun and Dooku, please tell me how my logic fails, how that WOULDN'T happen because you've yet to (and likely won't because your best shot was:"LAWLZ he be ova confident111!!"
So please sweet cheeks go down anther bottle of Absinthe cause drinking hard liquor is the only way you'll be able to convince yourself you don't absolute suck more ass then your 2$ hooker whore of a mother who was knocked up at a truck stop and had the mentally challenge bastard child known as you. [/B]
Gosh Molly, it took you a while to think of that one huh? Why don't you come back when you actually have an argument, not useless assumptions and lack of reading comprehension abilities. Stop embarassing yourself.
Says the dumbass who has shown no ability to form a cogent argument.
Says the dumbass who doesn't even have an argument to begin with, ***.
How is Yoda going to divide and conquer dipshit? He's got two VERY POWERFUL SITH LORDS on his ass like white on rice.. Just saying "omgz Yoda will divide and conquer" doesn't make it fact Molly. I didn't know you were a platoon general.
OMG Really!! TWOOO POWAFUL SITH LAWDS!!! OMG! To bad he's individually better then BOTH, And went one on one with the MOST POWERFUL SITH LORD EVER and damn near won, the same who makes the VERY POWERFUL SITH LORD Dooku cry like a little *****. And he can't pull it off? Really Maul did it to OB1 and Grevious, Dooku did it, its no stretch Yoda can pull off a basic tactic.
Just saying "He can't do it." DOESN'T make it fact, you got that Shelly? Round these parts we back up are little assumptions with you know a ARGUMENT (I know this concept if forgien to a truck stop bastard child who ate paint chips but please try to keep up) and till you refute this:
he'd do a tactic similar to what Dooku did in the opening stages of the duel with Anakin and Obi Wan:Where as all Dooku need do was to step from one side to anther - and occasionally flip over a head here and there--so that he could fight them in turn rather than both at the same time.
Divide and conquer a simple tactic, that would work very effectively in this case because Exar Kun and Dooku don't know shit about each other and can't fight as a team like Obi Wan and ANakin did in the latter stages of the duel, other then that Exar Kun wields a completely forgien weapon and a foreign style. to Dooku so he couldn't analyze the advantages and disadvantages of a combo attack.
They were not prepared to fight against a single force user certainly not one of Dooku's power he on the other hand had always fought alone. It was laughably easy to keep the Jedi tripping and stumbling and getting in each others way.
Thats what I see happening to Kun and Dooku, Dooku as the narration stated ALWAYS fought alone and thus probably knows zlich about a team battle, and Kun has apparently never been in a team battle in his life. Combine that with the fact that both of them have HUGE ass ego's I HIGHLY doubt they could put that aside and work together as a team, and Yoda is Dooku's personal enemy who gets very under his skin, how would he feel about this relative stranger barging him aside to try and kill his former Master and arch nemesis? They'd be more likely to fight each other rather then Yoda.
Yoda doesn't have to be miles and miles ahead of them both to win, he just has to use basic tactics to separate and defeat them individually.
You don't have a goddamn point, you get? And it doesn't matter who powerful they each are on their own, Yoda is better and one on one he beats them both, Dooku even admits in the opening stages of the duel when Obi Wan and Anakin where in their act that individually they could be a match for Dooku but together they're an utter flop, much like what would happen to the two before-mentioned Sith fighting together.
Stop embarrassing yourself.