Most Underrated character here.

LeGenD, you ought not deny the Ancient Sith their revered power. While they are far from being what they were once considered, it's no denying that they are powerful. Ragnos is easily one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever, based on what little we know. He managed to rule over a civilization of Sith - some of which could make stars go freakin' supernova - and he owned them for 100 years. Hell, on his deathbed, no one dared to screw with him. Whether this is a byproduct of technology or what, we don't know, but Ragnos is an undisputed badass in the Force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Correction: Ragnos ruled the Ancient Sith Empire for about 100 years.

The word "thousand years" is a mistake in your post.

Ragnos ruled for 150 years with an iron fist. That alone should tell you how powerful he was. Not to mention his combat abilities and grasp of the dark side were described as "frightening". I'd like to think DE Sidious was the only sith more powerful than Ragnos.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol *rollseyes* that further proves you have yet to shut the hell up. If you want us to shut up yet when you yourself havnt. That labels you as a hypocrite Now you shut up since you have dick to contribute to the topic.

And who is underrated? Dooku and vader imo

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'd like to think DE Sidious was the only sith more powerful than Ragnos.

Nihilus, definitely.

"ALL HE CAN DO IS FORCE DRAIN!!! TAKE IT AWAY AND HE'S NOTHING!!!!!"

And Ragnos deserves no placement until he does somethin more than get his fictional phallus blown by fanboys.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
"ALL HE CAN DO IS FORCE DRAIN!!! TAKE IT AWAY AND HE'S NOTHING!!!!!"

^ I agree. That's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Nihilus, definitely.

"ALL HE CAN DO IS FORCE DRAIN!!! TAKE IT AWAY AND HE'S NOTHING!!!!!"

And Ragnos deserves no placement until he does somethin more than get his fictional phallus blown by fanboys.

Says the Nihilus fanboy. Nihilus has nothing if he wasn't a wound in the force. That's what magnified his abilities. Ragnos ruled for 150 years with an iron fist, unheard of in the sith empire, and he had a frightening grasp of the darkside. Not to mention HIS scepter could do what Nihilus does, except his scepter also gives force abilities to anybody. Yea, Nihilus is underrated my ass.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Says the Nihilus fanboy. Nihilus has nothing if he wasn't a wound in the force. That's what magnified his abilities. Ragnos ruled for 150 years with an iron fist, unheard of in the sith empire, and he had a frightening grasp of the darkside. Not to mention HIS scepter could do what Nihilus does, except his scepter also gives force abilities to anybody. Yea, Nihilus is underrated my ass.

Ragnos' Sceptor soulc destroy all the life on a planet? I was unaware of that. I thought it just shot powerful beams of energy, tell me more about this sceptor of his.

Nihilus has nothing if he wasn't a wound in the force

No. He would have his Force Drain which kills planets. Or can you provide the quote saying he can only due this to being a wound?

That's what magnified his abilities.

Prove it. You talk a lot of sh*t but you hardly ever back any of it up. In every one of our debates, it's ME bringing quotes and proof to the table.

Ragnos ruled for 150 years with an iron fist, unheard of in the sith empire, and he had a frightening grasp of the darkside.

Dooku had a frightening grasp of the dark side, too. He could bring people to their knees in agony with a finger.

None of that is a feat or proof of what he can do.

Not to mention HIS scepter could do what Nihilus does, except his scepter also gives force abilities to anybody

Good for his technology. Not his power.

Nihilus' move is not Force Drain, his technique rips the force from living things and he feeds on the death it causes, their is a difference.

As far as i understood, the fact that Jedi Exile was a wound/had bonds with force sensitives greatly magnified her force powers. It was showed that after cutting herself from the force and then regain her connection to the force, the jedi exile was much stronger then before.

Originally posted by Gideon
LeGenD, you ought not deny the Ancient Sith their revered power. While they are far from being what they were once considered, it's no denying that they are powerful. Ragnos is easily one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever, based on what little we know. He managed to rule over a civilization of Sith - some of which could make stars go freakin' supernova - and he owned them for 100 years. Hell, on his deathbed, no one dared to screw with him. Whether this is a byproduct of technology or what, we don't know, but Ragnos is an undisputed badass in the Force.

I agree with your POV that the Ancient Sith were also powerful.

Regarding Marka Ragnos:

Ragnos is perhaps the most powerful Ancient DLOTS but the problem is the lack of enough knowledge about him. And the most disappointing thing is that the Ragnos's spirit was defeated by a Jedi who is not considered to be very powerful, although Ragnos wowed to return. However his immensly long rule is a notable feat. Thus these kinds of discrepancies between the canon sources is what causes the confusion.

One thing is for sure that the Ancient Sith Lords used "special tools" to make-up for what they lacked in terms of personal power. Ragnos sceptor is one such example.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ragnos ruled for 150 years with an iron fist. That alone should tell you how powerful he was. Not to mention his combat abilities and grasp of the dark side were described as "frightening". I'd like to think DE Sidious was the only sith more powerful than Ragnos.

His rule began at 5100 bby and ended at 5000 bby because Naga Sadow actually became the DLOTS at about 5000 bby.

And I think that saying that only Sidious surpassed Ragnos is a little far-fetched idea. The Sith Lords of the KOTOR Age and also of the Rule of Two Lineage are also vastly powerful because they have proven themselves to be tough in combat situations and also have performed amazing feats without the use of special tools.

Originally posted by kamhal
As far as i understood, the fact that Jedi Exile was a wound/had bonds with force sensitives greatly magnified her force powers. It was showed that after cutting herself from the force and then regain her connection to the force, the jedi exile was much stronger then before.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
No. He would have his Force Drain which kills planets. Or can you provide the quote saying he can only due this to being a wound?

Prove it. You talk a lot of sh*t but you hardly ever back any of it up. In every one of our debates, it's ME bringing quotes and proof to the table.

Dooku had a frightening grasp of the dark side, too. He could bring people to their knees in agony with a finger.

None of that is a feat or proof of what he can do.

Good for his technology. Not his power. [/B]

Originally posted by kamhal
As far as i understood, the fact that Jedi Exile was a wound/had bonds with force sensitives greatly magnified her force powers. It was showed that after cutting herself from the force and then regain her connection to the force, the jedi exile was much stronger then before.

Legend, the only on who notably surpassed Ragnos would be Sidious, and possibly Kun. The post GAOTS sith achieved more in terms of accomplishments, but I highly doubt you can rank their PERSONAL power on the level of the ancient sith.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Legend, the only on who notably surpassed Ragnos would be Sidious, and possibly Kun. The post GAOTS sith achieved more in terms of accomplishments, but I highly doubt you can rank their PERSONAL power on the level of the ancient sith.

They managed to put the entire Jedi Council and The Republic of their time on their @sses and controlled their ever expanding Sith Empire with great perfection and they were also very powerful in the Force, vastly experienced and were battle-hardened.

Ragnos's personal power is largely untested against the the Jedi and he was not interested in invading the Republic either. Naga Sadow tried but he failed miserably. And the only time when Ragnos got the opportunity to confront a Jedi (in spirit form but still possessed Tavion), he lost.

Ragnos' spirit was put into a weakling's body. That doesn't say anything. Revan and Malak militarily nearly defeated the republic, which has nothing to do with personal power. Ragnos at least was smart enough to realize that the sith were not ready to challenge the republic.