Most Underrated character here.

The problem is that you have to base their power on what we know. Are we arguing for Ragnos or for the Ancient Sith here, Darth Sexy? It does sound like you're suggesting that every Ancient Sith > every modern Sith, which is not the case. Palpatine, Kun, Bane, Revan, Dooku, and even Maul would likely wipe their ass with the majority of the Ancient Sith because the Ancient Sith haven't exhibited anything that suggests that they are on par with them.

Now, if you're talking about the upper echelons of the Ancient Sith, you have another case. I'd count Ragnos among the very most powerful, but the other Ancient Sith? Rofl. Hell no. The only thing that we can safely argue for the Ancient Sith is that they were the originators of the vast majority of the modern Sith's knowledge base. But knowledge != power.

Palpatine, Kun, Bane, Revan, Dooku, and even Maul would likely wipe their ass with the majority of the Ancient Sith because the Ancient Sith haven't exhibited anything that suggests that they are on par with them.

Co-signed.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I already have posted my opinion on this topic you stupid moron. I voted Nihilus as underrated.

@Darth sexy

Didnt you always say revan > kun?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What about Revan and Malak?

They managed to put the entire Jedi Council and The Republic of their time on their @sses and controlled their ever expanding Sith Empire with great perfection and they were also very powerful in the Force, vastly experienced and were battle-hardened.

They main reason for this was to happen as it did(so quickly) was A)Because of the Star Forge creating the infinite fleet of ships and B) The republic just came out of a bloody war with the mandalorians Plus Revan's military genius helped to accomplish this however that has nothing to do with their personal power.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ragnos' spirit was put into a weakling's body. That doesn't say anything. Revan and Malak militarily nearly defeated the republic, which has nothing to do with personal power. Ragnos at least was smart enough to realize that the sith were not ready to challenge the republic.

Originally posted by Gideon
The problem is that you have to base their power on what we know. Are we arguing for Ragnos or for the Ancient Sith here, Darth Sexy? It does sound like you're suggesting that every Ancient Sith > every modern Sith, which is not the case. Palpatine, Kun, Bane, Revan, Dooku, and even Maul would likely wipe their ass with the majority of the Ancient Sith because the Ancient Sith haven't exhibited anything that suggests that they are on par with them.

Now, if you're talking about the upper echelons of the Ancient Sith, you have another case. I'd count Ragnos among the very most powerful, but the other Ancient Sith? Rofl. Hell no. The only thing that we can safely argue for the Ancient Sith is that they were the originators of the vast majority of the modern Sith's knowledge base. But knowledge != power. [/B]

2. When I say ancient sith, I mean the ones who actually created all the techniques. THe powerful ones that came before Ragnos. Not Sadow and Kressh's ancient sith.

What?

Have we seen these Ancient Sith Lords, DS? I can understand Ragnos, but if you're not even arguing for the Ancient Sith Lords that we've actually seen, you really have no argument. Ragnos is one thing, but the whole shebang?

No.

No, I'm arguing for Ragnos. But when I say ancient sith, I do not mean the likes of Sadow and Kressh. I mean the ancient sith collectively, as a powerful group, who created all of the dark side techniques. Obviously Sadow and Kressh's bunch didn't do shit.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Why would I have to? He is always referred to being a wound in the force and as a result of being a wound, he is like a black void, the death of the force, etc. Notice how Kreia didn't have an uber force drain until she force bonded with another wound in the force.. Common sense.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Kreia IS a wound in the force and it is for that reason why her bond with the Exile was so intense.

Um.. Kreia is not a wound in the force.. I take it you didn't even play KOTOR II.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Kreia IS a wound in the force and it is for that reason why her bond with the Exile was so intense.

I think you guys forgot lord hoth lord adas(the original a sith'are) and darth bane is pretty under rated and even in some threads reven but think some people are over rated like dare I say THE EMPEROR

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Incorrect. I'd say she's more of a manipulative old ***** witch who is bonded with the Exile(Who IS the wound in the Force) and is trying to manipulate her into doing what Kreia wanted all along; the death of the Force itself. Play K2 again and it'll go into MUCH more detail as to how and why.

she wasent all togher horrible but I think it official that kreia ruined that game

Originally posted by yogert
I think you guys forgot lord hoth lord adas(the original a sith'are) and darth bane is pretty under rated and even in some threads reven but think some people are over rated like dare I say THE EMPEROR

Originally posted by Manslayer
Banes rated and adas is an unknown and you dare to say that revan is underrated when hes not? Oh hells and palpatines overrated? Hell no. Canon states he is better than every sith lord

nnoo palpatine never took command of an army of never fought on a battle feild
he to me is like darth traya the great man of 1000 faces I've seen his ass get kicked twice i thik hes in the the top 5 top sith lors but not the best
oh and adas united the sith and the dark jedi and a bunch of thers stuff

Sideous destroyed an entire fleet int he blink of an eye and his force storms are like black holes 😬 Saying that he's not great because he's never on a "battlefield" is bad logic.

Originally posted by yogert
nnoo palpatine never took command of an army of never fought on a battle feild

Originally posted by yogert

he to me is like darth traya the great man of 1000 faces I've seen his ass get kicked twice i thik hes in the the top 5 top sith lors but not the best

Originally posted by yogert

oh and adas united the sith and the dark jedi and a bunch of thers stuff

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Um.. Kreia is not a wound in the force.. I take it you didn't even play KOTOR II.

"As Kreia was stripped of the force by Nilhus and Sion, she became a second "Wound in the Force". Atris alluded to this fact during her and the Exile's second meeting on Telos. Atris surmised that when the two wounds in the force met as they did aboard the Ebon Hawk, they formed a force bond which ran so deep, if one died the other would too. "-from Kreia's profile in wookiepedia

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes I have played and beat Kotor II.

"As Kreia was stripped of the force by Nilhus and Sion, she became a second "Wound in the Force". Atris alluded to this fact during her and the Exile's second meeting on Telos. Atris surmised that when the two wounds in the force met as they did aboard the Ebon Hawk, they formed a force bond which ran so deep, if one died the other would too. "-from Kreia's profile in wookiepedia

And this just proves wookiepedia's fallibility. Seriously, if she too were a wound in the force, then she wouldn't have given two ***** about the exile.

Kreia was never a wound in the force smartass. She bound herself TO a wound in the force, and that's when she had her force drain.

I always found out the "wound in the force" theory really shitty... Wound in the force, What the hell is that? I think this is one of the worst ideas to come out in Star Wars lately...

Originally posted by kamhal
I always found out the "wound in the force" theory really shitty... Wound in the force, What the hell is that? I think this is one of the worst ideas to come out in Star Wars lately...

Well, I give them props for at least trying to do something new and or worth with the Star Wars franchise. Personally I found it interesting to see what happens to someone when their force bonds are suddenly all severed, maybe not the best execution of said idea, but good nonetheless.