New Jedi Order Grey Jedi?
Hay i was reading Wookieepedia.com and was reading about the Grey Jedi...and the Polentium or something like that....it sayed that Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order followed the teachings more of the GREY JEDI and not the Lightside Jedi of OBI WAN \ Yoda
Is it true that the New Jedi Order is all but a bunch of Grey Jedi?
Possibly, but it might be faulty info. They can marry and have more attachments than the Old Republic Days....so yeah, there's some differences.
And by the very definition, Grey Jedi would be...."grey". Meaning, how do you define the line between "light side" and "grey"? You don't. It's all so subjective, that coming to any sort of a consensus would be ridiculous to attempt.
Hell, Jacen Solo blurs some lines between Light and Dark, first at the end of the Vong cycle and now in the more recent arcs as well. And if that line isn't certain, anything more complex than that would be harder.
So yeah, different in how they run a few things. But beware of labels...it limits understanding.
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I see the term "Grey Jedi", I immediately react "fanboy nonsense."
There is no such damn thing as grey Jedi. It's a bunch of nonsense made up by clueless fans who think that by taking the best of both worlds they are building something superior. It's a very adolescent thing to do.
The Light Side are the good guys in George Lucas' creation. To try and be anything else is setting aside these basic principles of being a good guy.
lol, ahh the good 'ol days of arguing this topic... i think it was me vs. Janus, Fohl, Ush. i made a good little run i must say.
Either way, while it sounds like a good idea, and their are actual Jedi that have tried to reach such a pinnacle, it isnt possible, nor would Lucas allow it being that he runs with the good guys/bad guys philosophy. Wookiepedia is a used-maintained site, meaning they can put alot of things up there. In one article it says Kyle Katarn is better swordsman than Luke, which is enough for me that i dont count it as a very creidble source.
Hmm... I believe the term "Grey Jedi" was used somewhere in the context of KotOR 2 to describe Jolee Bindo (under description of Bindo's Band), but I'm not entirely sure.
Then, the Wookiepedia entry mentions Tyvokka describing Qui-Gon as a "gray jedi", which it says is from The Stark Hyperspace War. I have not personally read these books, so I can't back it up with my own knowledge.
"Jinn always does things his own way, always sure he is right, always incredulous if we do not see it his way. Some think he is a gray Jedi."
―Tyvokka on Qui-Gon Jinn
Originally posted by Tengu
lol, ahh the good 'ol days of arguing this topic... i think it was me vs. Janus, Fohl, Ush. i made a good little run i must say.Either way, while it sounds like a good idea, and their are actual Jedi that have tried to reach such a pinnacle, it isnt possible, nor would Lucas allow it being that he runs with the good guys/bad guys philosophy. Wookiepedia is a used-maintained site, meaning they can put alot of things up there. In one article it says Kyle Katarn is better swordsman than Luke, which is enough for me that i dont count it as a very creidble source.
Nuh-uh. Kyle pwns. That's solid fact. Give me a Dark Forces battle map and a few days to shake off the rust, and Luke's hand won't be the only cyborg part he has.
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....also, yeah, not too reliable as a site.
Ah, good old Dark Forces, how I love thee...
...and Gray Jedi don't exist. If you try to implement teachings from the Dark Side, you will go to the Dark Side. That's pretty much how it works.
Gray Jedi also lead to that Revolving Door policy that Ush is such a fan of in EU. No, I'm not being sarcastic, Ush really loves that policy...
I do not consider them to be Grey Jedi. Grey Jedi do not care for justice and peace of the galaxy, but they don't hurt or kill people neither.
Luke's New Order actually HELPS people in need and are allies of the New Republic. They care for the peace and justice in the galaxy, so I think it would be wrong to say they are Grey Jedi.
The only difference is that they are allowed to have emotional attractions and to marry.
Which is simply a contradiction with the canon established by the movies- that such attachments lead to the Dark Side. It's a huge error.
'Attachments = Dark Side' is not some trivial point- it is the central theme of the entire prequel trilogy. If you have an attachment you are afraid to lose it. Fear leads to the Dark Side. Yoda said all this in the films, GL said it in interview, how much more bloody clear does it need to be?
Nothing = the Dark Side. It's all about application of principles toward good or evil. The principles themselves (like attachments) aren't intrinsically moral one way or another.
That was (originally) Jacen Solo's point in the new books...and it's relatively true imo. But then he went all evil and stuff in other ways.
I don't think its all about the poo tang.I think its about what each gray jedi belives in I mean it not like you can just quit the jedi some jedi want to learn more about the force some jedi wanna get laid and some jedi are sick of the councils shit
take jolee for example he was all of those things.
None of what is said counters what I said above.
And digi, by '= the Dark Side= I mean leads to it. That, incidentally, cannot be contested or argued. It is set and unalterable fact.
Incidentally, the reason it is pretty simple is because it is absolutely meant to be that way. Star Wars is not actually a very complicated setting and those that indulge in nonsense auch as 'Grey' Jedi are probably in the wrong sci-fi setup.